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A clear definition of ignorance.

December 8, 2009

Rep. John Conyers Jr. made a comment yesterday in an article discussing President Obama’s phone call to him, in which the President asked why Conyers Jr. was “demeaning” the President, he goes on to state (about his difference of opinion on Afghanistan).

“Calling in generals and admirals to discuss troop strength is like me taking my youngest to McDonald’s to ask if he likes french fries,” Conyers said.

Really? This man has been alive for 80 years. In those 80 years he’s learned nothing about the men and women that serve this great nation? If I’ve spoken to one, I’ve spoke to twenty, men and women responsible for sending troops in harms way, and to a person not one has ever cherished, delighted or relished the thought of sending more troops anywhere, to possibly be killed. That he would slander these brave men and women in such a haphazard manner is ignorant at best.

His response is one of such callousness it’s unthinkable. Talk to a veteran of any war, Senator McCain is a great example. The last thing they want to do is send troops into battle, understanding the massive sacrifice that is asking. The Generals running this nations armed forces want to win the conflicts the politicians cannot resolve through diplomatic means, the conflicts that politicians start up, that’s what you’re supposed to do right?

16 Comments leave one →
  1. Phillip Black permalink
    December 8, 2009 11:21 pm

    That doesn’t mean they make stupid decisions or recommandations. More Troops to Vietnam. Invading Cuba during the Missile Crisis. Invading China during the Korean War.

    Military men will do what they were hired to do. War.

  2. blue dog permalink
    December 9, 2009 6:47 pm

    Conyers may be on to something. Let’s send some McDonald’s french fries to Afghanistan. Kill the Taliban and al-Qaeda with cholesterol and sodium.

  3. Steve Sullivan permalink
    December 10, 2009 12:11 am

    Hey Curt

    How do you feel about our troops protecting pedophiles. Every police unit in Pedophilistan has a young boy at their beck and call. These maggots say women are for babies and boys are for pleasure. Your tax dollars at work. And I have yet to see this well known fact get reported.

    I won’t even get into the fact that troops are forbidden to touch the poppy fields. Do you have a drug problem up there in Boston.

    And we wonder why suicides are up among the troops.

    I suggest you start acting like an American instead of being a shill for the Republican party.

    Steve Sullivan

  4. bob permalink
    December 11, 2009 8:16 am

    From wikipedia:

    After graduating from Northwestern High School in Detroit, Conyers served in the Michigan National Guard 1948–50; US Army 1950–54; and the US Army Reserves 1954–57. Conyers served for a year in Korea as an officer in the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers and was awarded combat and merit citations

    What’s your military service record again Curt?

  5. Mat permalink
    December 11, 2009 9:55 am

    Curt, with our “Leader” going around the World apologizing whenever he can for the way the US of A has conducted business is a joke. It is no wonder that guys like Conyer make the comments they make. They are just lemmings following the leaders example. Pretty sad that people like Conyers don’t realize that the freedoms he enjoys are solely available because of the protection we are supplied with by our Armed Forces. This stuff makes my blood boil when I read it. The voters need to wake up soon and get guys like this out of office or we are facing continued hard times for years to come or until we can get the “Masiah” out of office. Both would be real nice!

  6. Steve permalink
    December 12, 2009 1:44 am

    Mr. Black,

    You must never have served. My entire military career I prayed that I never had to lead young men and women in combat. I was never afraid to lay my life down for Our Country and Our Way of life, I just did not ever want any of the brave Soldiers that served with me to lay their life down.

    I will say this…of every Soldier that has made the ultimate sacrifice in these wars we are in, not one of them has done so by force. We are an all Volunteer military. Can the same be said of the citizens that lost their life on 911? I didn’t think so.

    Thanks for keeping up your support for our great American military fighting heroes and of course the bloody sock!

    Enjoy your freedom and thank a VET!
    Kaneohe, HI

  7. mike in salem permalink
    December 12, 2009 2:55 am

    For once I agree with Curt, Colin powell is a good example of a General who who “measures twice and cuts once” very reluctant to commit troops until absolutely necessary

    Obama scored a knockout with his peace prize acceptance speech, used wisely military force is a morally correct option

  8. Ben permalink
    December 13, 2009 12:37 am

    John McCain, Mr. Shilling? Really? The same John McCain who so cheerfully sang “Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran”? Yes, he clearly takes the thought of starting wars very seriously.

  9. December 14, 2009 12:27 am

    You can tell when someone has been so insulated from reality! It’s like playing a game where you see things fall dead in front of you but it means nothing. Just another hit on the counter. Send them over to see what’s going on, one by one, and talk to the people serving our country! Talk to the gal Huck talked to tonite who has 3 sons and a husband all serving, and her 16 yr old daughter talking about enlisting, as well – they know what’s going on and have pride in being patriotic, as they said. I have more respect and gratitude for those people and those gone before than I can ever say!

  10. Frank permalink
    December 14, 2009 5:46 pm

    Looks like your the ignorant one here, Curt. You may “speak” to many of the troops but John Conyers Jr. was in the Korean War and received a combat citation. I’ll listen to him over you anytime.

  11. Mike permalink
    December 15, 2009 7:55 am

    “The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.” – Douglas MacArthur

    Leaders will generally want overwhelming combat power – it’s often considered the quickest way to defeat the enemy and end the war on favorable terms. So too, at times, is escalation.

    But recent history contradicts your point – most military leaders in Iraq argued against the surge … including the Commanders of forces in Iraq – Generals Casey, Chirelli and Abazaid. They wanted to decrease troop numbers. In the end it, was civilian leaership with some external military advice that argued for the surge … which, oh by the way, completely changed the course of the war in Iraq.

  12. Jon permalink
    December 16, 2009 5:00 pm

    Hey Mike,

    The surge did not solve our problems in Iraq. It was General Patreaus decision to support the beginning of the Anbar Awakening by paying those Iraqis fighting us 20 million dollars a month in cash to stop killing our soldiers. Bush and Cheney had nothing to do with it. Please stop repeating the lies you have been taught to repeat like the good sheep you are.

  13. Lugh permalink
    December 18, 2009 11:43 pm

    Can it, Bob, you’re a complete fool. One does not need to serve in the military to be able to comment on military matters. It’s something called free speech.

    People like you piss me off, you think just because someone hasn’t served , they aren’t in a position to talk about those who have? Please remove the parking cone from your liberal ass and cut the self-righteous BS.

  14. mike in salem permalink
    December 19, 2009 3:12 am

    Mike above makes great points

    Once committed the military usually prefers “overwhelming combat power” for a quick and decisive victory

  15. Slash permalink
    December 21, 2009 1:24 pm

    I don’t think this is a clear cut case of ignorance. It’s a clear cut case of parsing someone’s words to score cheap political points. Conyers is merely stating the obvious that when it comes to military missions the top brass will invariably state that more troops are needed for the situation. Other bloggers have stated that Conyers is a vet so he has some idea of what he’s speaking about.

    Conyers is no way slandered or mocked any members of our military. Too bad we couldn’t say the same about Texas Governor George Bush. I think back to the annual Radio and Television Correspondents annual dinner in Washington back in 2004. The National Guard No Show attempted to be funny by showing a slide show of himself crawling around the Oval Office looking under chairs and behind curtains trying to “find” the WMD that the neocons lied about. I bet Dick Cheney got a big kick out of that little number. But it probably wasn’t as enjoyable for him as seeing his stock in Halliburton skyrocket while thousands of our troops paid the ultimate price for the corrupt and incompetent abuses engineered by Governor Bush and his stooges.

  16. dave permalink
    December 29, 2009 12:35 pm

    C’mon Curt, I expect better than this from you. If you want to start an intelligent debate on US foreign policy, then do so. Don’t resort to cheap political tricks. Here’s a hint – making a critical statement about the US Government’s use of military force is not IN ANY WAY denigrating to the honor, integrity, and sacrifice of the soldiers who serve in the military.

    If you disagree with the point Conyers was making, then debate that point.

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