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Why would they be afraid to do this?

October 6, 2009

I have generally found you only worry about privacy when you have something to hide.

I know there are tons of people worried not only about the health care bill, but also what appears to be the ramrod process pushed by those who know it’s going to get crushed the minute the details become public.

This administration, time and again, has done the exact opposite of what was promised. Transparency, accountability? This is the EXACT OPPOSITE of both. Anyone wonder why that is?

Don’t you find it odd, but totally understandable,  that Democrats are lining up AGAINST making this stuff available to the public prior to the vote and Republicans are not?

No coincidence, none at all.

11 Comments leave one →
  1. Rudy permalink
    October 6, 2009 6:15 pm

    » USA Patriot domestic surveillance bill, passed Oct. 23, 2001. Unavailable to the public before debate.”

    Yeah, it’s only the Democrats….Shut your pie hole and give back the $8 million you stole last year. You lost all respect when you didn’t run. AND you didn’t run only AFTER you saw the polls.

  2. NHBill permalink
    October 6, 2009 7:03 pm

    In the 8 years of Republican rule under Bush/Cheney what was accomplished to reform health care?

    What is the Republican record on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (remember when Bush wanted to privatize SS)?

    Curt, you and your Republican friends have no standing in this debate.

    That’s your defense? “Ya but you did it too!!!” Really? Didn’t you win on a platform of “CHANGE!!!”

  3. tdmtown permalink
    October 6, 2009 8:30 pm

    I won’t bother trying to defend that, its crap, but it was crap when the republicans ran things and did the exact thing. Odd, i never read about it on your blog when the republicans and Bush were screwing things up.

    But i digress….did you really think YOU were gonna be the messiah that turned around the U.S. political system?….really? Mr. Schilling goes to Washington
    and “the system” bends to his will? I hope you realized that the people who wanted you to run, just wanted to use you for your celebrity and whatever cache that carries. They just wanted to “win”, they don’t give a crap about transparency, or the people they allegedly represent. They just want to WIN, no matter what the cost. You did the right thing staying out of politics, you can ACTUALLY do more to help the world as a citizen.

    (How ‘bought you help the whole world though, not just the republicans)

  4. John D permalink
    October 6, 2009 9:16 pm

    Sorry Curt but I have absolutely no interest in your views on anything other than baseball. Beyond that your opinion is no more important or informed or enlightened than the average guy on the street.

    Then why read and comment on things other than baseball?

  5. John D permalink
    October 6, 2009 9:18 pm

    And where were you when they outed Valerie Plame?

  6. blue dog permalink
    October 6, 2009 11:34 pm

    Curt, since you like to throw around the apellation “tool” in these threads, let’s examine what a tool really is. Republican Senator from Kansas Pat Roberts is a prime example. In defending Sen. Bunning’s motion for a 72 viewing window of the health care bill on the internet, this was Roberts’ reasoning as quoted on the Huffington Post. ” The thing I’m trying to point out is that we would have at least 72 hours for the people that the providers have hired to keep up with all of the legislation that we pass around here, and the regulations that we pass around here, to say, ‘Hey, wait a minute. Have you considered this? That’s all I’m asking for.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/23/pat-roberts-pleads-for-th_n_297563.html

    This from a guy who accepted more than $300,000 in bribes…err, political contributions, from the health care and pharmaceutical industries. Transparency for the people indeed…as long as they’re the “people” ( lobbyists) hired by the providers to red-pencil and do re-writes to the legislation. Ironic his reference to the providers, don’t you think? Apparently they are his true providers, and he is as much a beholden bought and paid for tool as are you for parroting this line of “transparency” nonsense. Curt,these health care industry lobbyists author and draft this “legislation”. If you want to read it just call up Aetna, Blue Cross, or Kaiser Permanente and ask them for a copy. As a potential GOP Senatorial tool yourself, I’m sure they’ll be happy to send you a bound copy…

  7. Jon Allen permalink
    October 6, 2009 11:59 pm

    Curt-

    While I agree that there isn’t a reason that most bills shouldn’t be available for viewing before a vote (72 hours isn’t even enough), I don’t believe it is the “administration” that is against it, and certainly not ALL democrats (especially since the bill is co-sponsored by a democrat from a left leaning state). The problem is that the ruling party in congress ALWAYS wants to be able to impose their will quickly and quietly and I can’t see how that will change. In cases like these, congress has more control than an administration, and because of this we usually end up with a bill that is full of pork and doesn’t fix the problem. I believe that EVERY bill should be voted on by the full congress, and EVERY amendment should be voted on separately. Let’s see exactly what our congressmen are supporting and who is adding and supporting the pork.

    As is, it is too complicated and is too arbitrary for the layperson to sort out.

  8. Full disclosure permalink
    October 7, 2009 2:59 am

    Just to be fair, the average guy on the street spends not nearly enough time actually reading and thinking about this sort of thing. That doesn’t mean Curt is any sort of expert, but at least he’s doing what he can. And encouraging others to do so from his privileged position.

    As to the specific issue, while I usually disagree with Curt on politics, there’s really little arguing with a three-day post rule. As long as there’s still enough flexibility to modify the bill before it comes to a vote…give us a draft to look at! Really, we’d only be doing your work for you.

    And frankly, the disturbing truth is that we can’t expect our Congressmen to read through every bill they vote on and still get enough work done. So why not give us the opportunity to at least help error-check?

  9. Mike permalink
    October 7, 2009 8:59 am

    From the article:

    “The reluctance to implement a three-day rule is not unique to the Democrats.
    The Republican majority rushed through the controversial Patriot Act in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as well as a massive Medicare prescription drug bill in 2003 that added hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit.”

    Personally, I think the biggest reason it’s not being made available publicly is because of all the immature nonsense that surrounds politics these days. The president had to waste time during his speech to reassure people that the government wasn’t promoting “death panels”. Think about that.

    A bigger problem, though, is representatives using some of this public opinion – even when it’s insane, like thinking the government wants to kill our grandparents – to inform their own stance on things.

    Anyways, I’m baffled that we are continuing to allow our own immaturity and petty nature to keep us as the only first-world country that doesn’t believe health care is a right, not a privilege. There are few things I would increase the deficit for, even slightly. But one of them is having every citizen of our country safe and healthy.

  10. anonymoose permalink
    October 7, 2009 9:09 am

    http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/leg/LEG%202009/100209_Americas_Healthy_Future_Act_AMENDED.pdf

    The Finance committee health care bill as amended has been available at that address since October 2nd. The 4 other bills from the Senate HELP committee and three House committees have all been available online in full since late July.

    If congresspeople and their staffers haven’t read these bills, or examined the list of amendments which will be offered on the floor which is publicly available, that’s on them. Likewise for citizens who want to read the bill.

    I have no problem with posting a bill online before the final vote, and frankly we should have more transparency in the system. But it’s inaccurate to say that the public doesn’t have a chance to see what’s in legislation. Just using the library of congress website allows any person with internet access to do that.

  11. Benjamin Edwards permalink
    October 8, 2009 12:37 pm

    Curt, we agree, but stop playing the political game. Join the new movement. Follow Glenn Beck.

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