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August 28, 2009

This needs to stop, this needs to not happen, people MUST SPEAK UP!

What a shame, what an embarrassment this entire thing is. If you are someone who believes in this country, believes in the men and women who have given their lives in service of the freedom we so callously throw away at times, please write, call or email someone that can do something about this.

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  1. KeithW permalink
    August 28, 2009 8:10 pm

    They gave their lives for the freedom to erect Christian iconography on public land? Who knew?

  2. August 28, 2009 8:13 pm

    hey Curt
    please think about running for the now open seat
    I and alot of the real people would get off our butts to help
    a person with morals



  3. August 28, 2009 8:19 pm

    hey curt
    run for Teds seat
    I & nany more would back you
    thanks for all you & the family do


  4. joe permalink
    August 28, 2009 10:34 pm

    believe it or not, the cross is not a symbol for all americans that served.

  5. Mike from Charleston, SC permalink
    August 29, 2009 12:06 am

    I’m not a violent person but the jerk who filed this complaint needs an a$$ whoopin’. He has the right to free speech and every freedom as any other american, however I should have the right to voice my opinion on his tying up our court system with this. My opinion would be in the form of a right cross to the mouth. Let’s hear this jerk’s opinion through a wired jaw. Damn, Curt you got my blood pressure up dude! That’s ok…Thank you for showing light on this cause, I am passing on the message.

  6. NHBill permalink
    August 29, 2009 8:25 am

    If any of this is for real don’t be surprised if the conservative court of mostly republican appointees side with the ACLU on this. People can’t just decide for themselves to take public land and erect memorials on their own. There as war memorials in every town in America. This crude set of what looks like painted pipes is an eyesore. The carefully tailored propaganda piece included the words “spitting in the face of every veteran”. Be advised that well funded extreme right wing people are working very hard to foment hatred of any liberal sentiment. This slickly produced piece with it emotional background music is plainly manipulative.

  7. Jerry Weaver permalink
    August 29, 2009 11:37 am

    Thanks for sharing this interesting video, Curt. I would be interested in hearing the other side of the issue; can you find something explaining it? Obviously we are talking about public land here, and that is not once mentioned in this video. One suspects there is a lot more to be said about this issue.

  8. Lugh permalink
    August 29, 2009 12:10 pm

    Shut up, Joe. These WW1 vets had no problem with the cross, and neither should you. What do you care that there is a single white cross honoring fallen heroes in the middle of the desert?

    The ACLU is pathetic. They hate America, they hate God, they hate religious people, and they stand only for the civil liberties of the extreme left. What about the civil liberties of the people who raised this cross? What about the civil liberties of all of the veterans who draw inspiration from this simple, yet poignant act?

    It’s pathetic, it’s infuriating, and it’s hateful. I signed this petition with pride and sent it to everyone on my email list. I will also tell all of my students about it when they return to class.

  9. Lugh permalink
    August 29, 2009 12:10 pm


  10. August 29, 2009 3:09 pm

    Christian symbols on public land? Nope, I agree with the complainant. A different sort of memorial would be more appropriate. Certainly there were some Jewish, Muslim, or atheistic soldiers who died in the war.

  11. Mandy permalink
    August 29, 2009 6:47 pm

    This is such an outrage! Too bad I only have one, very liberal senator to run to…
    Maybe you should change that, Mr. Schilling!!

  12. terry clukey permalink
    August 29, 2009 9:59 pm

    So the whole issue is it is a religous symbol on government land. If we are a nation under God, I say they sell a square of that property to the nearest town. But it doesn’t fix the idea that if people can complain about something, they will.

  13. ToofarawayfromBoston permalink
    August 30, 2009 10:29 am

    Erect a proper memorial – one that represents those who served, not a religious symbol. Tear the damned thing down and put up a stone that memorializes those who served – some of whom likely were NOT christian. I think it’s hysterically funny that they went to the Mohave Desert – and area taken from Native Americans – for healing. There’s just something macabre about that.

    Give me a sledgehammer. I’ll take that cross down.

    Geez, Curt, would you be so adamant if a pentagram to honor satanists who served was up there? Pffffffffft. I bet not.

  14. PapiFan permalink
    August 30, 2009 11:39 am

    Curt, thank you for the post as I doubt this will ever get reported on by the media. This makes me angry to the point of being sick to my stomach. I frankly don’t understand why the ACLU qualifies for non-profit status? They are a political organization. Their status should be revoked. I don’t even look at this as a religous symbol, but more a symbol of what representing US soliders. This is the symbol they chose, so it should stay!!!!!!! Unforuntately even our congressmen are powerless as this will come down to the supreme court. And I fear that the supreme court will once again spit in the face of what is right to advance their left wing agenda. Their is nothing worse then feeling powerless when you know such an obvious wrong is being done and you can do nothing about it. The fact that this decision comes down to a handful of people, who are idealogues is just plain wrong.

  15. John Lima permalink
    August 30, 2009 5:41 pm

    Curt it is time for people of character to step up. I believe that you are such a man. A man made for times like these. Run , RUN , Run for U S Senator. Your typical politician is not what we are looking for. Please consider the possibility.

  16. Jeff permalink
    August 30, 2009 8:48 pm

    “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.” –Thomas Jefferson

    If you want to keep the cross, buy the land yourself.

  17. August 30, 2009 11:08 pm

    Religious symbols on public land are simply un-American.

    There needs to be a huge, high wall between politics and religion.

    Whether you like it or not.

    Choose whatever prophet you like (or no prophet at all) towards your personal higher power… but Americans don’t need to see big old crosses on land they own a part of when they DO NOT agree. I am not religious, and I do not sanction respecting ONLY the Christian soldiers on public land. There is plenty of tax-free non-public land to erect as many crosses as Christians would like to display.

    And as an American, I am fine with that. But I do NOT want to pay some public worker to mow the grass around a cross on my dime. No way.

  18. Sandy permalink
    August 31, 2009 2:43 am

    To all the amateur constitutional scholars posting comments here–the Constitution forbids the establishment of a state religion. A group of veterans who get together to build a memorial to their fallen comrades is not establishing a state religion. Not a single one of them is asking the government to prevent someone else from erecting a different sort of memorial.

    I understand what motivated those who built the memorial. I understand what motivates those who want to preserve the memorial. I cannot understand what motivates anyone who wants to take it down. I would like to think that if this is among the ACLU’s most pressing items, then civil liberties must be secure indeed in this country, but that is clearly false.

  19. BobofNewtn permalink
    August 31, 2009 4:08 am

    Curt – I am a Newton Republican and support for your candidacy would be deep here. Think it over. Regards.

  20. sdl1 permalink
    August 31, 2009 8:47 am

    To Lugh…

    I happen to be a member of the ACLU…

    The issue here is that a religious symbol is on *public land*. I’m Jewish (altho non-observant) and if it was a Star Of David up there, I would not support that being on *public land* either.

  21. TerminalNewEnglander permalink
    August 31, 2009 10:15 am

    Curt, would love to see you run for the open US Senate seat.

  22. Looking for Civility permalink
    August 31, 2009 11:02 am

    “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their “legislature” should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a WALL OF SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE.”

    The quote is Thomas Jefferson; the emphasis at the end is mine.

  23. roberto permalink
    August 31, 2009 1:16 pm


    I think you should consider running for the open seat. This race is very winnable. Especially, if the election format remains a “special election”, turnout will be light (usually 33-50% of a typical Nov turnout). There is so much anger toward the Obama agenda (even in the Commonwealth), and people are dying to voice it. This election (if there is a viable opponent on the Republican side) will be a referendum on Obama/Patrick. Given the mood and public view of our elected officials (especially Congress), this election is ripe for the picking. Curt, you have the name recognition and will be able to raise money quickly and easily. Please, give it some thought.

  24. Rory Razon permalink
    August 31, 2009 8:30 pm


    Run for the senate! Out of the current batch of names being tossed around you’d get my vote. I’ll volunteer for your campaign, make calls, nails signs, knock on doors whatever. If even you don’t get the GOP nod, your candidacy would help get attention on the GOP and your eventual endorsement of another Republican candidate would help Massachusetts send a REAL Republican to Washington. DO IT!

  25. Minnesota Steve permalink
    September 1, 2009 6:30 am

    Curt, You run and I will donate. This is not something I usually partake in but I am ready to become involved in restoring sanity to my beloved America.

    I happen to be a Non-ACLU American. The issue here (naturally in my opinion) is NOT religious symbols, for if it were, you would deny every Kennedy the right to make the sign of the cross at Arlington Cemetery. My, you must have been perturbed to see such a shameful episode of religion on public land. May I suggest that your true issue is to deny freedom, not promote it.

    The Alamo was built as a Christian Mission in 1718 and named after a Saint. You would have it razed in pursuit of your indignant cause.

    Lets roll John Wayne style. My heroes are not psychotic weaklings.

  26. LHJ permalink
    September 1, 2009 6:50 am

    RUN Curt!!! I think you’d be surprised how much conservative support there’d be out there if we could ever get a decent candidate to vote for. My whole family (Republicans & Independents) are very excited by rumors of your possible candidacy. Give us a voice!!!

  27. david permalink
    September 1, 2009 8:54 am

    This issue seems so simple, public land should not have religious symbols for decoration or memorial. If someone wants to purchase this land and put a million crosses so be it.

  28. September 1, 2009 12:50 pm

    In response to LookingforCivility who choose to invoke the words of Thomas Jefferson.

    Those remarks were in a letter written by President Thomas Jefferson, responding to a letter sent him by a Baptist Association concerned that the Government was going to interfere with the free and open practice of the Christian religion.

    Jefferson wrote the letter; of which you have quoted pieces, to assure them that would not happen – that the government cannot do such a thing.

    It seems you are interpreting that phrase to mean the exact opposite of its original intent.

  29. Coach87 permalink
    September 1, 2009 3:56 pm


    If John McCain could endure close to 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton in the service of his country. Don’t you think you could endure 6 years as the junior Senator representing Massachusetts?

    Please…You know you can win. This is your shot.

    Eric Bratt

  30. Barbara Harland permalink
    September 1, 2009 4:43 pm

    Hi Guys, When did thisd religion thing become so important, Faith is beweenyou and your GOD and this is not the forum to discuss, I think this country has gone crazy talking about issues that are philosophical and we should concerned with political issues… not religion. Go Obama

  31. Evan permalink
    September 1, 2009 6:42 pm

    Schilling for Senate!

  32. franklloyd permalink
    September 1, 2009 9:16 pm

    Spare me the symbolism of the cross of Jesus Christ, King
    of the Jews, on the public’s land. Only the ACLU has the
    cojones to fight the rape of the public’s land. Xtains can
    buy some private land, do an environmental impact statement,
    and move your precious memorial. Separation of church and state
    is the law of this land.

  33. Doctor X permalink
    September 2, 2009 6:28 am

    I am sure they can find some private land upon which to express their personal religion without imposing it on anyone else.


  34. derekp permalink
    September 2, 2009 10:56 am

    Run Curt run. You saved Boston, you saved the Red Sox and now your country is calling!

  35. Jeremiah permalink
    September 2, 2009 12:03 pm

    If there were other members of the Armed Forces who wanted or cared about having their particular faiths represented, don’t you think they would have been there? Why is this such a big deal now? After 70+ years? Because ONE guy from Oregon MIGHT decide to take a drive though the Mojave and MIGHT get offended by seeing a cross? Some people are too stupid for their own good.

  36. September 2, 2009 12:45 pm


    Run for your health. I can’t imagine how girthy you’re getting without an incentive-laden contract motivating you to watch your weight.

    Just kidding, of course. Roman symbols of torture are more important things to worry about.

  37. Mike permalink
    September 2, 2009 1:49 pm

    Lugh’s comment scares me. There is a line between teaching and preaching. It’s not even a thin line, it’s a pretty darn wide line. Hopefully Lugh will inform them about the situation and let them think for themselves. But, from the rest of the comment, I somehow doubt it.

    For what it’s worth, though I think this complaint by the ACLU is kind of ridiculous and I hope they lose… part of the reason they do what they do is because of the slippery slope argument. I personally find comfort that they bring up every nitpicky thing that may violate our rights as citizens, rather than one or more of them applying their own form of sensibility before making a fuss about it. This way, at least there will be a decision by public officials or courts about the matter. I’d much rather have those folks decide these things, as opposed to a few people in the ACLU deciding whether to pursue it or not.

  38. Joe B permalink
    September 2, 2009 2:02 pm

    Curt, Please run for the now vacant US Senate Seat from Massachusetts!!!

  39. Matt permalink
    September 2, 2009 2:10 pm

    Can’t wait to have a vote for Schilling sign in My front yard

  40. Paul permalink
    September 2, 2009 2:15 pm

    I’ll donate all the time I have, 24/7 if I can, to anyone running against Mr. Dogmatic Blowhard. This would be worse than George Bush for 8 years.

  41. September 2, 2009 3:00 pm

    We don’t need any more hyper-religious Christianist Republicans messing with our country’s legislation.

    Please don’t run. That said, love ya Curt,(but can’t fathom your politics).

  42. jonnymelrose permalink
    September 2, 2009 3:33 pm

    Believe it or not, the white cross IS a symbol for all of the people who served our country. What’s next, are you liberal crazies going to pull down the two white crosses at Arlington Memorial? You know, the ONLY ones marking the graves of Ted and Robert Kennedy? Believe it or not, white crosses ARE a symbol of service to the US. And, like it or not, our entire government and constitution are based upon christian beliefs – christian beliefs that tell us to be accepting of all people and all religions. Which, by the way, is what our soldiers are fighting for. You know, the right for left wing fanatics to tell them that they don’t represent the left or the beliefs of the left-wingers!

  43. ThatsInteresting permalink
    September 2, 2009 3:40 pm

    It’s interesting that Curt supported the Republican Party while they were Swift Boating Kerry’s heroism in Vietnam, but is appalled by this issue.

    I fear that a Schilling Senate run will be mired by divisive party politics and more baseless claims that we are becoming a Socialist country, all the while suggesting that lower taxes on the rich are the answers to all of our problems.

    If you do run, I beg you to please study up on the health care issue before jumping into the fray of ‘death panel’ and ‘socialist’ accusations.

  44. Noel Martin permalink
    September 2, 2009 5:27 pm

    Do for our state and Nation what you did for the Red Sox nation,go out and win the Senate seat.You Have my support

  45. Sandy permalink
    September 2, 2009 5:32 pm

    It’s obvious that “Looking for Civility” simply can’t understand the very Jefferson quote that (s)he cites. Instead of looking for “civility,” (s)he ought to be looking for a tutor.

    I honestly don’t know why it’s so difficult to understand the difference between the government BUILDING a religious memorial and private individuals putting one up by themselves on UNUSED public land. If you are claiming that this constitutes trespass, well go right ahead. But you’d only be demonstrating yourself to be an asshat.

  46. September 2, 2009 5:54 pm

    I think that he takes the same attitude he took into all the games he pitched in he would be a great asset to the Senate. We could use more forward thinkers to help turn Congress around from the far left course. Good luck, Curt.

  47. September 2, 2009 5:56 pm

    People in MA or NH can voice their suppport at

  48. Ralph Patrick permalink
    September 2, 2009 6:33 pm

    Do you really want to be another rich Republican with no ideas?

  49. Gail S. Nunes permalink
    September 2, 2009 7:08 pm

    Please run for the senate. My husband and I will be happy to campaign for you. Just say the word.

  50. T. L. Hicks permalink
    September 2, 2009 7:15 pm

    While I would be opposed to the “Government” erecting a cross , or star or whatever on public ground, wouldn’t tearing down something a group of citizens put up be an infringement? Personally I would equate this with the people that put up monuments along the highway to commemorate a fatal accident.
    At this time I can’t endorse you as a candidate(yet), but I would welcome your candidacy over some of the others who are considering running.

  51. Tom Thompson permalink
    September 2, 2009 7:16 pm

    Please get OUT of Massachusetts for once and for all! Any good LIBERAL will do to meet Mr. Kennedy’s legacy and you Mr. Shilling are not them! It would be a travesty beyond comprehension to think that Curt Shilling would try to fill the shoes of Mr. Kennedy in Massachusetts. God forbid!!

  52. September 2, 2009 7:26 pm

    Curt Shilling a United States Senator!!!! Stupid, Stupid Stupid!!! Really he wasn’t much of a pitcher either!!! Remember when he said to vote for Bush over John Kerry ( GREAT CHOICE SHILL)??? Got a little fame with the bloody sock, where does he stand on womens rights, min wage, health care and the ecomony??? He may not even know!!! A much better choice would be Edward M Kennedy Jr.!!!

  53. Nancy permalink
    September 2, 2009 7:56 pm

    I was thrilled to hear that you’re thinking of running. There needs to be more people with morals in the Senate! I would be all for you taking a shot. Only sorry that I don’t live in MA so I could vote for you. God, I never thought I’d say those words!!
    You could be the right man for the job for sure!!

  54. Angelo quartarone permalink
    September 2, 2009 8:10 pm

    Hi Curt

    I’m on the same page as Rory . It would refreshing, To see a new face, In Politics. If your serious, you will get many to work for you. GO FOR IT>

  55. September 2, 2009 8:23 pm

    Go Curt go! Make the impossible happen, like in 2004!

  56. Eddie Morando permalink
    September 2, 2009 8:50 pm

    The ACLU does more harm than good. What a disgrace to the men who put it there! We should respect the people that erectetd that cross, regardless of what the cross represents. This is a true representation of what is wrong with our country and political system.

  57. glenn88 permalink
    September 2, 2009 9:48 pm

    I would like to hear the legal argument for removing the cross. I personally believe in laws and not judicial activism. Law must be consistently applied and I believe that is what the court is trying to do. Maybe a liberal judge will apply their personal feelings and allow the cross to stay.

  58. johnny utah permalink
    September 2, 2009 9:52 pm

    please go away!!! your ego should have ITS own senator!!! Judging from the LBS you have been putting on the only office you should run for is MAYOR MCCHEESE!!!!

  59. Jack permalink
    September 2, 2009 10:28 pm

    I’ve never voluntuered to help a politician in my life but if you run in Mass I will do everything possible and work my a$$ off to help you get elected! Enough of this liberal left wing nut state let’s get someone with some sense elected.

  60. John K permalink
    September 2, 2009 10:57 pm

    What a GREAT DAY this has been for the voters of Massachusetts. PLEASE, PLEASE run for the Senate seat. No hidden agenda and a man of his word. Start a website ASAP so we can start the grassroots campaign toward victory. I’ll gladly stand on the corner holding a sign, collect names on a petition – you name it, we’re there for you. Don’t wait – announce your desire now and give us the maximum time to support you and get you elected.

  61. Jericho permalink
    September 2, 2009 11:21 pm

    curt will never get the senate seat, do some research.
    Never gonna happen.
    religion is nothing but superstition, it hardens hearts and enslaves minds.

  62. Jerry B permalink
    September 3, 2009 12:12 am

    Schilling, get a grip. People are going without adequate food and health care and you get on your soapbox about this? Get a job on Fox, not in government.

  63. Democritus permalink
    September 3, 2009 6:51 am

    Why is it that conservatives can’t or don’t want to respect the Constitution of the US of A? The Constitution explicitly states that: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”.

    What’s so hard to understand about that? It’s the law of the land and I’m glad someone is standing up and challenging violators of our law. And I say this as a veteran. Religious symbols do not belong on public property, period!

  64. Brian permalink
    September 3, 2009 6:59 am


    Please stop being a public figure. Just go away. Your celebrity status does not make you an enlightened thinker. Hopefully Massachusetts will know better.

  65. Bill permalink
    September 3, 2009 7:07 am

    To sdl1,
    So your problem is that it was “Built on public land”? Actually, the cross was built on private land. When the cross was built, it was built on land owned by the VFW. The VFW then donated the land to the government in order to make it a national park. Congress has also listed the cross as a national monument. But it you really want to get technical, and be a stickler for the rules, perhaps you can take a trip down to gettysburg, and start demanding the removal of all the crosses located throughout the battlefield. Those memorials were also set up by the survivors of the battles as a tribute to their fallen brothers. And on a final note, would you consider the government stepping in to remove a religious symbol a seperation of church and state? Or would the government getting involved in removing a symbol of religion be a direct violation of that seperation as they are obviously interferring in religious expression?

  66. sean permalink
    September 3, 2009 8:31 am

    obama wants religion out of schools…..but guess who he wants in schools……that’s right himself……God out and Obama in……….how do people support this guy????? Run for the senate seat and be another wedge to stop this SOCIALISM.

  67. Jamison permalink
    September 3, 2009 8:57 am

    This is an outrage yes it is a religious symbol and yes all the soldiers who died weren’t catholic, however this monument to their memory was not erected by the government, it was erected by fellow vetrens of World War 1 to honor their fallen comrades and the fallen heros of all wars. Tearing this down is disrespecting their memory and what this country stands for, I cannot believe the leaders of this country would even listen to 1 ***hole who in my opinion is unamerican to even think about taking offense to something that he probably will never see in his life. Something needs to be done.

    Curt run for the senate seat i will vote for you,

  68. James permalink
    September 3, 2009 9:19 am

    Curt, run for Ted’s seat. Don’t let Joe Kennedy take this over, we need fresh blood in there! I commit my family’s vote and volunteer support!

    – James

  69. Fred Satkin permalink
    September 3, 2009 9:25 am

    Curt this state does not need the same old politicians and one party system of crooks robbing the public blind :for their own good.” Generically, Republicans are up to the highest ratings over Democrats for the last month. That will continue and MA needs to get with the program of a two party system. Unquestionably, this man in the White House needs to be contained before he turns the padlock over to the Peoples Republic of China.

  70. randy f permalink
    September 3, 2009 9:27 am

    you have all our support out here in Paradise Valley. Where do we send the contribution for the campaign. Go Get Em!!!!!!!!

  71. Mark permalink
    September 3, 2009 9:29 am

    I think you would bring something to the senate that has been lacking for years…..common sense (which isn’t so common any more). If anyone argues a lack of experience in politics, they obviously don’t know anything about baseball and the public spotlight. You have always been one to speak your mind and will not hesitate in tackling the tough issues. It would be an honor to have you serving our country in this capacity.

  72. Covertghost permalink
    September 3, 2009 9:58 am

    You people need to stop watching so much Fox “News” and start reading BBC news.

  73. John permalink
    September 3, 2009 10:32 am

    I have listened to you on politics/sports and other topics and I think that it would be so refreshing to see someone with a clue run for this office. I think you would be amazed at the support you would gather. I hope that you go for it!

  74. cape ann'a permalink
    September 3, 2009 4:54 pm

    I tell you Curt, you may not realize, and I sometimes forget, this is the state that voted Mitt in when the time was right. Here on Cape Ann there are so many people sick of the libs methods of mayhem, that I know ,we could be prime for a true,clean and honest man. Our state is a joke. I try to teach my 3 sons about honesty, what can I say ,when all they see is liars like Deval ,Kennedy, and Kerry, of all people.We even had ( not one of our own, Ed O’reilly run against Kerry, All Ed has done is Get hundreds of people off of DUI convictions for a mere 5,000-10,000.If this guy tries to run again I’ll call Howie and get him the truth.Run man Run!!!

  75. Dave Murphy permalink
    September 4, 2009 5:30 pm

    Mr. Schilling,

    It is with excitement that I am reading about your consideration of running for the vacant Senate seat. Your values, fortitude, leadership skills, work ethic, talent and proven record as a team player are commendable. The citizens of MA need you. We are tired of seeing the same elite and entitled politicians go to Washington. A Senator such as you would add balance to a very stale and narrow group of opportunists. We know it would be a major decision on your part, and you need to do what is best for your family and yourself. Please seriously consider the matter. There would certainly be no problem with your name being recognized as a winner.

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  77. superjax permalink
    April 28, 2010 12:59 pm

    Hey Curt,
    I know this article and link is way old, but the Supreme Court ruled today in favor of the Mojave Cross Veteran Memorial…so I thought you’d like the good news.

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