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February 13, 2009

In 2000, I was playing in Arizona with the Diamondbacks. Around those parts it’s no mystery that one Pedro Gomez and I didn’t really like each other. I thought very little of a man who so calmly, and happily, wrote articles that could only be labeled character assassinations.

I cannot seem to find the archived article, but here is a link to a story in the LA Times that referenced one example, this one about my manager at the time, Buck Showalter.

I took issue with the piece due to the immense number of flat-out lies in it. First off, we weren’t required to wear our socks with the “A” showing. We did fraternize with opposing players before games. Buck didn’t do much of the stuff Pedro claimed at the time the article was written. The article alleged some off-the-field personal conduct issues that Pedro had ‘heard’ about. This made him, in my mind, one of the worst forms of life in the media, someone who used his pen to settle a personal score. After the article was written, I vividly remember walking out of the clubhouse and seeing Buck’s daughter in tears after that game.

So I ‘talked’ to him about it and we agreed we just didn’t like each other. Much like CHB, he made reference to the fact that he’d written ‘nice things’ about me when I was traded to Arizona, as if that made it all OK, and that he should be able to slander teammates and coaches I played with because of it.

Now Buck was no saint. He’ll admit that, and all that goes with that. But I loved playing for him. He was always prepared and never out-managed in a game.

I bring all this up to make sure people understand that Pedro and I have never been real friends.

Why write this now? Here’s why. I am reading ESPN tonight and I happen to see that he’s actually written something someone there deems worthy of print. It’s on A-Rod (surprise), and deep in the article is this comment….

How can I be certain of who has and who hasn’t used PEDs? Obviously, I cannot be 100 percent certain. But the beauty baseball possesses over any other sport is its visual splendor. It’s the only sport with which you can trust your eyes.

Most know what we watched from the early 1990s until the mid-2000s was shady. Those sudden spikes in home runs, RBIs, batting average and miles per hour from pitchers had all of us whispering at the time.

Wow, just wow.

During the 2001 season, in the clubhouse, Pedro and I got into a shouting match about players and steroids. In the middle of the discussion he uttered this statement:

“I personally know of at least three, and more likely four guys on this team that are using steroids.”

Whoa… What?

I asked him how the hell he could “know” that. He said he knew, “people” had told him. I asked him what “people.” He said, “People.” I pushed and asked, “Players?” He said, “Let’s just leave it at people.”

I often times thought of sharing this story with someone from the media just to call Pedro out and see if he denied ever saying what he said to me. In the end it wasn’t worth the time or the effort.

But now this man is going to act as if he was a ‘victim’ of the same thing we all were? Worse yet, so many of these writers and media members are standing on the tallest mountain shouting to anyone who will listen how wrong all of this is, how bad all of it is, and how dare we players sat by idly and did nothing.

These men were privy to the same scenes we were on a daily basis. They saw us dress, and undress, they rolled their eyes the very same way many players did at the guy who ‘worked his ass off’ when he’d really ‘worked his ass on’ and put on astronomical muscle mass in 4 short months.

They saw hitters go from 18 to 40 home runs, pitchers go from 88 to 90mph, to 95-97mph yet we’re the ones who put our heads in the sand? Weren’t these the men and women with the power of the pen?

(For a player it’s far harder than many think to conclude that guy used PEDs. Not every player who increased his velocity by 5mph or hits 20 more HRs cheats. It’s hard, it’s a challenge, but it can be done, some players have and will continue to do that and they’ll do that clean.)

Hell, Pedro said that he KNEW players who did it for a fact. That makes him 100% more informed about users than I am, or ever was. I suspected, I certainly had my own ideas, but I never knew for a fact that ANYONE used steroids or HGH unless they came out since and admitted it.

What makes Pedro, or any member of the media that was so intent on heaping glory and praise on all things Bonds, McGwire, Sosa and others for ‘saving the game’ of baseball in 1997 and 1998, any less culpable?

Make no mistake about it, players cared far more and were far louder than people know. One thing that has come out often in the past weeks is Rick Helling and his consistency in bringing up the steroid issue at every player meeting I was ever in. Rick was adamant about implementation of testing and was never shy in saying so.

In Arizona we openly discussed, as a team, not taking the random tests to intentionally fail and insure that we’d exceed the threshold needed to implement testing. I am not sure if any players actually did it, but there was talk on many clubs of doing just that.

In the end it does fall on us, the players, for not acting sooner. It’s not the union leaders’ faults, regardless of what some people think. At 21 or 22 or older, you’re a grown man accountable for each and every one of your own actions.

But please spare me the daily media insistence on lambasting anyone and everyone in the game for this PED nightmare, while at the same time giving a free pass to journalists. It’s as if they are standing on the sideline looking out on the field and saying, “Wow, I can’t believe what you guys have done to the game.”

There are some who bear every bit as much accountability in this as the innocent players who ‘didn’t speak out’ and ‘turn over’ on their teammates and fellow players.

65 Comments leave one →
  1. February 13, 2009 12:42 am

    “There are some that bear every bit as much accountability in this as any innocent player that ‘didn’t speak out’ and ‘turn over’ on his teammates and fellow players.”

    I agree with this. And I’d put Peter Gammons at the top of that list. But the reason people hold the players to a higher standard than we do the writers is because now there are players like Sean Casey and Al Leiter going on television mad that their reputations are being sullied because not everyone used. They’ve even admitted to knowing others used but that they never did. So these same people (not specifically Leiter and Casey, just using them as the example) NOW are getting riled up about it when back then they did nothing. The same people the fans trusted to just go out and play the game.

    For years players have publicly been defending Barry Bonds. Now they’re defending ARod. I have no love for Pedro Gomez, but I’m also getting tired of the players standing by their union brothers and STILL pretending this isn’t an issue. So we have ex-players from that era mad that EVERYONE is now under suspicion and active players defending the ones who’ve been outed. Plus all the writers who supposedly “knew” trying to take credit for sitting on their butts and ignoring the problem lest they lose their access. There’s enough blame to go all the way around.

  2. Babe Ruth permalink
    February 13, 2009 1:13 am

    For the record, I’m not a fan of Pedro Gomez either. I remember him as being a Bonds supporter.

    But the last part of your blog, you’re full of it. You never did that. You’re actually confusing yourself with Frank Thomas (The only player that cooperated with the Mitchell report). He brought that up a few years ago about how he and a couple teammates actually thought about skipping drug tests just to have the threshold higher.

    You never did that Curt. The only thing you did was make comments to SI and then say you exaggerated your comments in front of congress and then flat out refused to help Sen. George Mitchell in his report.

    You are just as guilty, Mr. Weaver.

    Proof? Proof of what? That I was there when it happened and that we actually did discuss it?

  3. Babe Ruth permalink
    February 13, 2009 1:21 am

    Found the proof too.. Where’s yours?

    http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-8996468_ITM

  4. eli permalink
    February 13, 2009 1:33 am

    p.s. Pedro was better then you and did not take steroids so why are you bashing him? You have been on a roll lately.you need to relax and become more happy. Between the anti-obame articles and this, its pretty unhealthy.

    Pedro who? Do you even know what you’re talking about?

  5. Edith Bunker permalink
    February 13, 2009 1:53 am

    Hey Curt- Any comments on your co-worker, Mike Adams, spending four hours Thursday afternoon insisting Manny is a steroid user?

  6. Babe Ruth permalink
    February 13, 2009 2:14 am

    Yeah. Why are we hearing about this info now? You would think that everything that had to be said, has been said. AND you’re a very outspoken person SO why this new information when it’s so very very similar to the White Sox story in 03?

    Stop the act.

  7. Doctor X permalink
    February 13, 2009 6:07 am

    “Pedro who?”

    I guess he did not actually read your commentary, just sort of skimmed it on the way to posting his comments.

    More seriously, there are a few sports casters–*cough cough* Jay Mariotti *cough* *cough*–who have denigrated you as Babe Ruth above has. Fine. Do you feel you could have done more, on your part, to have cleaned things up, or did you feel restrained protecting teammates, or were you just limited to the suspicions many of us had about “this player” without actual evidence? Or is there another reason?

    What do you feel about records such as the Home Run Record, Cy Youngs, et cetera if those players used performance enhancing drugs to attain them?

    –J.D.

  8. February 13, 2009 7:11 am

    Pedro Gomez, gee that wouldn’t be Hispanic would it???

    YOU DON’T LIKE HIM BECAUSE YOU ARE A RACIST!!

  9. Andrew permalink
    February 13, 2009 7:11 am

    Baseball’s blood is on the hands of everyone who knew about PED abuse and did nothing. Union heads, players, journalists, managers, owners, etc..it is your responsibility to protect the integrity of your profession. Silence and integrity are not the same thing, do not confuse them!

  10. February 13, 2009 7:20 am

    Curt, is your position a) that reporters who praised players who were clearly juicing and now condemning everything are a little hypocritical; or b) that reporters knew as much at the time about what was going on as the players. Position “A” is clearly understandable; some reporters are always looking for a simple way to hop on the bandwagon rather than looking for the real stories that need to be told. However, position “B” strikes me as a little disingenious; I don’t know that much about what goes on behind the scenes in MLB, but I can’t imagine that a reporter has the same level of access to players as an actual team-mate.

  11. Harry the Hat permalink
    February 13, 2009 7:45 am

    O.K. Isn’t this great!!!!!
    We now know that everybody knew something…………
    And now that we know that everybody (who was connected to the game) knew something, whether or not they admit to that or not, isn’t it better to take
    the bull by the horns get everybody on the “transparency” train.
    Congress (or who, whom, whoever, whomever) should grant immunity to the wonderful
    world of “PED Playas”. Then get on with it. Baseball should be a feel good
    kinda thing, especially this time of year…………..
    I dare sports to make us happy again. If this goes on ,too, much longer we will
    think everyone out there is a freekin’ politician. We don’t want that these days,
    do we?

  12. VJ in Okinawa permalink
    February 13, 2009 8:20 am

    Curt,

    I understand what you’re saying. Basically, the writers you are commenting about (especially Pedro) were talking up the whole “juiced up ball” thing during the Late 80’s – 90’s. They were in the dressing room. They were closer to the players than the fans would ever be. You would think that more than one would have said something, or printed something THEN. They didn’t, so just like the players that knew their guys were cheating, they are culpable.

    I’ll never say a player did or did not know, because I was never a player, and would have no idea. I’m not there. But I do see them on TV. I did see the totals change drastically. And I saw some of these humans grow to humanoid dimensions. I can suspect the next guy like everyone else. Now some guys just lifted weights and were just big guys to begin with, but others you could look at and wonder.

    Do I understand why some of the players did this? Yes. Being a world class athlete takes an unbelievable amount of skill, talent, and hard work. If they thought HGH or steroids would give them an edge, and no one would test for it, why not? It was not illegal by baseball standards at the time, and the benefit was millions of dollars, that if managed correctly, would set a man up for the rest of his life. Now possessing them was and still is illegal unless they are medically necessary, so the risk of going to jail was there.

    Do I agree with the anyone doing HGH / steroids unless medically necessary? No. Because if I did illegal drugs, I would be a)Fired b)sent to prison c)loose what little money I do have, and d) lose my family in the process. I think this is what gets people upset the most. A baseball player can do this, and they are millionaires. A normal guy like me does it, and my life is ruined.

  13. Rhayader permalink
    February 13, 2009 8:23 am

    @eli: Why the hell would Pedro Gomez take steroids? To come back more quickly from a mean case of carpel tunnel?

    @Babe Ruth: OK, so Thomas supported implementation of testing. Where in your “proof” does it say that Curt Schilling opposed it?

    @Curt: I agree with your post. While players should not be let off the hook (nor should the MLB or MLBPA), the media is supposed to be the watchdog, the whistle blower. Certainly they didn’t force players to use, but they happily took part in the home run orgy that got them TV ratings and paper circulation without batting an eye.

  14. Bill Brown permalink
    February 13, 2009 8:24 am

    Baseball has completely lost it’s sanctity. Between steroids and salaries , we the fans, are the fools …there is nothing that can or will be done about either issue …except let them be continued talking points for print and electronic media…We, the fan, will even be more foolish by continuing to attend baseball games ………for our own motives of course but in doing so we continue to fire the salvos that it’s ok for these guys and all affiliated with the game to continue their self absorption along with taking advantage of us. after all we’re the fools…we , the fan, are elementary in our thinking, we , the fan will continue to watch, listen, cheer and boo.We, the fools, the fan’s lives are changing right in front of Baseball’s eyes. But their lives wont. Oh what fools we are…………

  15. Chris permalink
    February 13, 2009 8:43 am

    I think #4 thought you were talking about Pedro Martinez. HAHAHAHA. It’s also sad that he spelt “obame” when speaking about the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I don’t care if you like him or not, please spell his name right.
    This is probably the first blog entry I have agreed with. Please, please stop feeding us the political stuff, though. You have the privilege of sharing your opinions on the most popular sports website in Boston. Although I disagree with the majority of your opinions, you are often insightful and it comes from a different perspective so I find it worth reading. If I wanted the political news I would go somewhere else. It isn’t fair to those of us who want to read and discuss sports. Be a little more responsible.

  16. SKB permalink
    February 13, 2009 9:01 am

    Blaming the media for steroids in baseball is like blaming the grocery store for the farmer’s poor yields from weedy fields. The players who did it are most at fault. Nobody held a gun to their heads, gave them a needle, and said “Stick this in your rear-end now.” They made this decision to BREAK THE LAW, and have nobody to blame but themselves.

    The union is a joke and Selig should be fired. The players are the most at fault for introducing ILLEGAL substances into the game we love, but when the union found out, it looked the other way. When MLB found out and tried to do something, the union fought every attempt to stop steroids. MLB’s response of doing nothing for fear of another strike makes MLB just as guilty.

    But the media? Come on, Curt. We all know you have a love/hate relationship, but unless the media was passing out HGH in the locker rooms as a thank you after interviews, there’s no merit to your blame game.

  17. SKB permalink
    February 13, 2009 9:04 am

    Also wanted to point out that once Gomez said this, you also kept your mouth shut. If Gomez is at fault, aren’t you also at fault for not going to Showalter? The trainer? The owner? Saying something in a team meeting? As a player and a leader on that team, you had every opportunity to step up and do what was right. You didn’t. Don’t blame Gomez, unless you are also willing to look in the mirror and admit you did nothing.

  18. Gary permalink
    February 13, 2009 10:05 am

    It’s taken me about 5 years to come up with a plausible solution to the MLB record book crisis, but I finally came up with something, so here’s one method:

    If college football can use 2 sets of rankings, USA Today/ESPN and AP polls, and if it’s left up to the media which ranking list they choose to display for publication purposes, such as writing articles or on television, then MLB can have 2 record lists also.

    One list is called the “MLB Official Record Book”, and the other is a new list, called the “MLB Commissioner’s Book of Records”, or something similar. It’s a ‘select’ list.

    The new ” MLB Commissioner’s Book of Records ” list cannot be objected to by the MLBPA because it’s new, so they have no control over the players that are placed on this list.

    The MLB Official Record Book must contain ALL players and records.

    The MLB Commissioner’s Book of Records list can contain whatever the Commissioner decides, as it’s his list. And for this new list, it will NOT contain any player or player’s records from ALL years in the majors, who has a connection to steroids, HGH, or other PEDs. Evidence includes writing a check for steroids, HGH, or other PED’s (think Mitchell Report), an admission of use, or a positive test, but NOT simply an accusation since that’s not real proof.

    Mark McGwire would not be on the new list, he used Andro. Bonds is off the new list, he tested positive and admitted to some use. A-Rod is off the list. Certain players in the Mitchell Report are off the list.

    Now, can the MLBPA complain? No. Because their players are STILL in the record books, in the MLB Official Record Book. Having two lists leaves it up to the media to decide who THEY want to reference is the home run king, or single season home run king, and the MLBPA can do nothing about what the media says or prints.

    The MLB Official Record Book must contain ALL players and records.

    The MLB Commissioner’s Book of Records list can contain whatever the Commissioner decides, as it’s his list. And for this new list, it will NOT contain any player or player’s records from ALL years in the majors, who has a connection to steroids, HGH, or other PEDs. Evidence includes writing a check for steroids, HGH, or other PED’s (think Mitchell Report), an admission of use, or a positive test, but NOT simply an accusation since that’s not real proof.

    Mark McGwire would not be on the new list, he used Andro. Bonds is off the new list, he tested positive and admitted to some use. A-Rod is off the list. Certain players in the Mitchell Report are off the list.

    Now, can the MLBPA complain? No. Because their players are STILL in the record books, in the MLB Official Record Book. Having two lists leaves it up to the media to decide who THEY want to reference is the home run king, or single season home run king, and the MLBPA can do nothing about what the media says or prints.

  19. shawn permalink
    February 13, 2009 10:15 am

    eli, he’s talking about Pedro Gomez, not Pedro Martinez… you and Capt. O.G. Readmore need to have a sit-down.

  20. Matt F. permalink
    February 13, 2009 10:27 am

    “Hell, Pedro said that he KNEW players who did it for a fact. That makes him 100% more informed about users than I am, or ever was. I suspected, I certainly had my own ideas, but I never knew for a fact that ANYONE used steroids or HGH unless they came out since and admitted it.”

    …So when your teammate Lenny Dykstra made his “funny vitamins” comment, you didn’t know he was using steroids? How about coming clean on your 1993 Phillies before you point fingers at anyone?

  21. Maxpower permalink
    February 13, 2009 10:34 am

    Around 1990 or 91 I remember explaining to my Dad how I knew Mark McGuire was using steroids. I laid out my case using evidence that I assumed was obvious to everyone who followed baseball. It was a pretty convincing argument for 16 yr old. My Father was stunned. When he asked me how I could be so sure that I was right I replied, “Because there are guys on our football team that use steroids and I recognize the signs.” That’s just the way it was.

    When the baseball steroid controversy erupted I wasn’t as surprised by the rampancy of steroid use as I was by the dramatic reaction of the media and fans. I am still amazed by this reaction. I probably always will be. I cannot buy that the majority of fans were so naive that the baseball steroid issue came as that big of a shock. And I absolutely will not believe that sports writers, who were around these athletes on a regular basis, were surprised when steroid use was made public.

  22. February 13, 2009 10:40 am

    hey Eli … i don’t know how you can say that a reporter, Pedro Gomez, was “better then you and did not take steroids …” … first off it should be “than you” not “then you” … and Pedro Gomez is not Pedro Martinez, whom I think you are meaning to refer to.

    as for the article … if you haven’t played baseball, beyond the Little League years, then you don’t know the pressures you face of potentially “diming out” your teammates. not only do you face the backlash from the teammate that you report, but fallout from the rest of your team losing trust in you. is it right, nope … but its baseball, and the code of the locker room is present and taken very seriously.

    as for the reference to Frank Thomas, you basically said the same thing Curt did, Babe Ruth. in your article Thomas says that he has heard the buzz that people are skipping the test to get a positive result, it does not say that Thomas skipped the test, only that the players later gave in and were tested. Same thing Curt said, there was talk, but no mention of anyone actually going through with it. please, read the article with an open mind next time and don’t be so quick to bash someone, sorry if the reporters in AZ aren’t locker room mind readers and print every thought or discussion the players have.

    as a life-long baseball fan, i understand that the ‘roids don’t help the hand/eye stuff, or the talent and technique that it takes to play at the highest level. ya so maybe Bonds would have had about 10 homers less during his time on the cream and the clear, or maybe A-Rod should be back at 500 homers instead of where he is now … but baseball is still baseball, you see the same games on TV this year that you saw back in the late 90’s early 2000’s … steroids are still present and being used, and they will continue to be used, not only in baseball but in football the other major sports. as long as there are shady chemists making the stuff, there will be players looking for an edge for that extra 2-3 million they could make as a result.

    thanks Curt, good to see someone that isn’t afraid to post his thoughts, continue the good work man, i love reading the blog!

  23. RichD permalink
    February 13, 2009 10:56 am

    “p.s. Pedro was better then you and did not take steroids so why are you bashing him? You have been on a roll lately.you need to relax and become more happy. Between the anti-obame articles and this, its pretty unhealthy.”

    Uh smartguy, He was talking about pedro GOMEZ, not pedro MARTINEZ. Its called reading AND comprehension.

    Keep doing your thing curt. Ignore all the haters.

  24. chris permalink
    February 13, 2009 11:20 am

    @Eli – I think you’re confusing the Pedro in this article (Pedro Gomez, a journalist) with Pedro Martinez, the former Red Sox pitcher. This often happens when you type before thinking, I’d try to avoid that in the future if I were you.

  25. Mike Plumb permalink
    February 13, 2009 11:46 am

    You should have spoken out at congress in 2005 rather than going into a shell. So many people lost respect for you. I know I don’t respect you.

  26. Austin permalink
    February 13, 2009 12:25 pm

    I was in the minors during the early 2000’s. I suspected guys were juicing, but there was no incentive to rat someone out. I hated that guys were passing me up, but what was I supposed to do? I wish the GM’s would have put a sign (over the stupid anti-tobacco and gambling signs) in the clubhouse that offered rewards for those who stayed clean or provided evidence that some were cheating.

  27. Steeltown permalink
    February 13, 2009 2:09 pm

    Curt,

    Sorry that this is not the article for this comment but regarding Obama:
    (going on a baseball angle) How many times do we see “up-and-coming” superstars go to MLB and hit the ground running posting stellar numbers? Quite a few…you yourself will have to admit that you were subpar going into the Majors but as time went on, you learned the game further and improved. Now, you are quite a Majors pitcher and you can attribute time for that (and the people who surrounded you and gave you guidance along the way)

    Do you disagree with Obama?…sure. We see that in your blogs. Is running a country different from an “up-and-coming” MLB superstar?…most definitely. But give him time — a year in fact. Even you must admit that he inherited the worst economy in years and trying “to solve” it right away is somewhat like trying to tell the Minor League superstar that he is the savior of a dying Major League baseball team and he must hit homers upon homers or else.

    So please give him time and then, and only then, should you post anything further about the current President.

    Steeltown, USA.

  28. Matt permalink
    February 13, 2009 2:27 pm

    Curt,
    Maybe if you keep posting the anti-Obama articles some of these trolls will get bored and just go away. I doubt it, but it would be nice to shake them all off.

    Anyway, I think the media isn’t just biased… they are sociopaths. They love to see us destroy one another so that they can report on it. He expects you to throw your teammates under the bus and be a “man of integrity”, yet when faced with the exact same situation, he refused to do so. Anyone who feels the need to criticize any of the clean players for not throwing teammates under the bus is either a liar or friendless.

    You really think that it’s that easy? To rat on a guy you spend 6 months a year with? Clearly, all of the criticism is coming from people who have never made connections with other human beings. And most of them have never accomplised anything of value. The commitment it takes to make it through a baseball season bonds people. And to go and rat them out like that is a total act of betrayal. Yeah, maybe it is the right thing to do. But unless you are perfect (and to my knowledge, only one perfect being has walked the planet), you really have no right to judge others for their mistakes.

    Curt said he didn’t see it… do you really feel that guys were whipping steroid needles out in front of the team? No, they do it away from the ballpark. All they are going by is what they see. There should have been testing implemented in 1986, when Canseco went from 180 to 240. Everyone was to blame: the players, the owners, management, the media, and the fans. We kept showing up in droves and “forgave” baseball the minute a couple of guys start hitting baseballs 500 feet. Most fans don’t want to see 2-1 pitching duels, and baseball gave them exactly what they wanted.

  29. Babe Ruth permalink
    February 13, 2009 2:52 pm

    Hi, To the defenders of Mr. Schilling.

    This is Curt Schilling we are discussing.

    He is known for having a big mouth. Some love ’em for it, some hate ’em for it. Regardless though, that is what he’s known for.

    If any of what he said happened, we would have heard about that a long time ago when that White Sox story came out.

    I’d also like to stress again that Curt seems to be very open to the public and/or media on this subject. Yet when it came to congress and Sen. George Mitchell, there was very little to no cooperation.

  30. Rhayader permalink
    February 13, 2009 3:06 pm

    @Steeltown: Uhh, Schill was the man early in his career. Dude just lit up the Braves in the NLCS in ’93. Dominant.

    Also, if he were doing nothing, saying “give him time” might be a reasonable reaction. The problem is that he is jumping all over this thing without thinking things through, and using fear and rhetoric to spread his sense of urgency. Check out Reason.com’s summary of many different prestigious economists, and their feelings on the issue:

    http://www.reason.com/news/show/131632.html

    Notice the third question. Almost unequivocally, they all say that doing nothing would be far better than this stimulus crap. It’s clearly a political move more than a true attempt at righting our economy. So yeah, he’s a slime ball just like the rest of his colleagues.

  31. February 13, 2009 4:40 pm

    “There are some who bear every bit as much accountability in this as the innocent players who ‘didn’t speak out’ and ‘turn over’ on their teammates and fellow players.”

    Curt, with all due respect I can’t agree with this. The media aren’t responsible or accountable for anything but their own work and their credibility. If a journalist sits back and says (as you mention) “wow, you guys have really made a mess of your sport”, he’s not a hypocrite. It’s not his sport; it’s not his mess. Now, he may be a second-rate journalist for not digging further and making a story of this, but that’s quite a bit different from actual ownership of the issue. (There’s also the small matter of libel in making any specific accusations, which is not an issue for the players in addressing the PED problem in their private meetings, etc.) Criticizing the media for a job poorly done is one thing, blaming or holding them accountable for anything but untruthful or false reporting is quite another. Ultimately this is an internal baseball matter, with players and management (to a lesser extent imo) responsible for both the problem and the cleanup. I understand your frustration with the media in general, but in this instance pointing fingers anywhere but inward is just a misguided diversion.

  32. bill permalink
    February 13, 2009 5:59 pm

    Curt that was 9 years ago,let it go you overstuffed windbag

  33. M. Gabriel permalink
    February 13, 2009 7:42 pm

    It amazes me how much patience you have to deal with people coming to your website where you post your opinion on matters and try to throw other crap down your throat. Gotta love the internet.

    Stay strong, brother.

  34. deadredsox permalink
    February 13, 2009 9:09 pm

    Two words…Lu-Go. Dirty as hell. Couldnt help but mention him when I heard that Pedro had mentioned a few players he “knew” were on roids. I know no one likes to just point fingers and everyone wants to be pc, but come on, anyone whose been a dedicated fan for at least the last decade knows that a one year flare up like that generally only means one thing.

  35. SEE - AZ, Greatest State permalink
    February 14, 2009 9:58 pm

    Babe Ruth..how’s the weather in the south Atlantic? I’m taking a chance here, could be wrong.

    Concur with deadredsox. I love AZ, but am disappointed in Luis.

    You can either be someone or do something.

    Curt, you had your chance in front of Congress to do something…

  36. Fenway permalink
    February 15, 2009 12:14 am

    The A-Rod addition to the list of “known” PED users will ensure that this period in basebal history will be known as the “steroid era.” All members of the baseball community-players (users and those who said nothing), managers, GM’s, owners, MLB execs, writers and the fans, too, who lapped up the grossly exagerrated stats- share in the responsibility. I understand the difficulty that players would have turning in a fellow player and I agree that the journalists utterly failed in their responsibility to shine a light on this issue much earlier.

  37. Clarence permalink
    February 15, 2009 12:25 pm

    Curt,

    Come on, you didn’t suspect anybody on that team? Luis Gonzales??? This guy went from a decent player to a guy who puts up 57 HR and 142 RBI. He didn’t look right those years, he was ripped and his numbers inflated.

  38. Roger Nicholson permalink
    February 15, 2009 7:50 pm

    Curt,

    Thanks for bringing us the Ring and not using steriods. Red Sox Nation would have never seen the day come without you.

    As far as I’m concerned you’re the only guy with the balls to tell it like it is, and for that you take so much heat.

    How soon we forget. You are a Red Sox legend, and a stand up guy, even if you are a bit more conservative than the rest of MA can stomach.

    I voted for Bush in 04 and Obama in 08, but one for too ain’t bad.

    Give em hell Curt!

  39. Teddy Ballgame 9 permalink
    February 17, 2009 1:34 am

    The thing with this situation is that the media who once took credit for “saving the game” by broadcasting all the HR’s McGwire, Sosa, Griffy and Bonds were hitting as well as all the other milestones and accomplishments are the very people who are wrecking it! I can’t stand A-Rod. But why, after he admits he made a mistake, does he get ran through the ringer? What about Gary Mathews Jr.? He got a slap on the wrist and no one talks about it again. This all should be dealt with in private. The people have the right to know but don’t need to.

    I think that the punishment is way too light as well! 50 games for 1st offense and 100 for a second. Some players would love a 50 game break! Take away what they covet most! $MONEY$ 45% of a players salary! 45% of $250 mil (A-Rod) is a pretty penny! That will make em think twice. Tack on a little community service leave it out of the press then it will go away on its own. Twice a month random team drug tests. Paid for with the fine money. if someone is a second time offender he should be band from the game. No second chances. Fool me once!!! Seriously, I know the working out the long trips away from home and the long season are tough but at least MLB players get to do what they love and make good money doing it. Its a slap in the face to us working class people who pay through the roof to go to a game when players disrespect their god given talent by tampering with it by using PEDs. If you don’t think you can live up to a 5yr $200 mil contract don’t ask for that kind of money! At the end of the day who can possibly spend it all anyway!
    Random:
    Pete Rose should be in the hall by the way. Selig is a horrible commissioner and I cant wait till he is done!!!

  40. Ben Jesuss permalink
    February 17, 2009 11:27 am

    Curt, You are a right wing nut job! Sadly, so are half my friends and family. Regardless, I apprecaiate your continued honesty and willingness to tell it like you see it. MLB needs more of that (willingness not nutjobedness).

  41. Mike P permalink
    February 17, 2009 12:22 pm

    1. The only reason Pedro Gomez ever gets noticed is because of his love affair with Barry Bonds.
    2. Go Trot Nixon, hes fighting for a bench spot with the Brewers, and go Kevin Millar, fighting for a spot in the BlueJays lineup

    The 2004 sox are still alive and kickin!

  42. February 17, 2009 2:10 pm

    Curt, I don’t like the Red Sox because of what you did to my Cardinals in the World Series, but I have always followed your carreer and thought most highly of your years in Arizona. I will back up everything you say about Pedro Gomez. I get sick of his World Series reporting time to time. Speaking of Alex R., what do you think of him as a person and not a player?

  43. ASD permalink
    February 17, 2009 8:56 pm

    Having lived in AZ in the same neighborhood as Pedro, we would see each other on the baseball field with our boys and he was fairly benign. Last spring, he coached his son in the same league as my husband was coaching our son. He showed his true colors on the field as a coach. Had no perspective that these were 8 and 9 year olds and was as cutthroat as possible. Got into it with other coaches on a regular basis, including my husband. His reporting/writing style is certainly consistent with his abilities as a Little League coach.

  44. John Erbe permalink
    February 17, 2009 10:04 pm

    Curt, how do we know you did not take HGH? You weren’t any good until you had that “little talk” with Roger Clemens while you were in Houston. Maybe he turned you on to something. Just because your built like a pear, doesn’t mean you didn’t use anything illegal. Just because you are a good pitcher, not GREAT.
    You are in a great position to be a liar. You can use your belly as physical evidence of never doing steroids (even though that does not prove anything). You can hide behind your union. You use your mouth as a prop, so nobody would accuse you of doing everything illegal (aka Clemens in Washington DC in 2008). I am guessing Roger taught you that too. And you can use your confrontation with Pedro Martinez as a defense mechanism so you portray yourself as John Wayne.
    I think you did do HGH and/or steroids at one time or another. I think you are using all this dialoge as a vechicle to say to the HOF…..”hey only had 216 wins because I was in Philly at a bad time and all the hitters I faced were doing illegal PEDs. I was clean!”

    Well, you are crap; you always were crap! Even though players were /are using PEDs, MLB is still watered down due to expansion. You have ONLY have 216 wins, you NEVER won a Cy Young Award. There is no way you should make the HOF. Your no better than Scott Sanderson or Kevin Brown. Your no Mike Mussina either. Mussina is borderline with 60 more wins. Mussina is classy and quiet. You’re a loud mouth baby (I.e game 6 of the 1993 WS).

    Your EGO, MOUTH & HEAD is too big to cut your career short years ago. You took PED’s too. Your physically too sloppy to keep up they way you did over the years. SAME WITH BIG PAPI….HE HAD 3 TO 4 SPIKED YEARS….HE IS NO SAINT EITHER!!!!!!!

    YOU BOTH REEK!

  45. February 18, 2009 2:27 am

    John Erbe….sounds like you arehaving ‘roid rage, lay off the red bulls dude.

  46. Doctor X permalink
    February 18, 2009 8:45 am

    Nothing says “rational response” like an explosion of ALLCAPS. . . .

    –J.D.

  47. Bob from VA permalink
    February 18, 2009 11:31 am

    Curt, that blog was right on the money! I love that you continue to tell it like it is. Why is that so damned rare? On the one hand, I realize these writers can turn “narco” on the players they cover. But, they CAN be less fake about their outrage now.

  48. Bill permalink
    February 18, 2009 11:36 am

    Thanks for getting back to BASEBALL curt.

    Can we pick this trend back up? As much as I respect you as a (former) baseball player, no one comes to weei.com to read your copy and paste jobs about your right wing beliefs.

    But the inside view on Baseball is great. So I’m sure I speak for many here when I say, please stick to baseball, or at least sports.

  49. Bob from VA permalink
    February 18, 2009 11:43 am

    Curt, that blog was right on the money! I love that you continue to tell it like it is. Why is that so damned rare? On the one hand, I realize these writers can’t turn “narco” on the players they cover. But, they CAN be less fake about their outrage now.

  50. Jay, Boston permalink
    February 18, 2009 12:43 pm

    Wow!! Erbe needs a Xanax..Sounds like roid rage to me huh Curt? lol

    Thanks for your “big mouth” Curt! I hardly hear anybody else denouncing or taking a stance on anything.

  51. Chris Fiorentino permalink
    February 18, 2009 3:37 pm

    My opinion of this article is WHO CARES??? Why, Curt, should we care about what the MEDIA knew and when THEY knew it??? The FACT is that if Pedro Gomez printed ANYTHING back then, his ass would have been sued and he would have been canned. The FACT is that there may be whispers among the media, but they can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it. Plain and simple. You, on the other hand, as a member of a union who had the ability to POLICE ITSELF, did NOTHING. I’m sorry, Curt…I love you and everything. But your petty disputes with the media are WAAAAAAY beneath you and they have to stop because you are denigrating a GREAT CAREER. You actually tried, once, if you remember, to Sports Illustrated, and what happened there? You basically had to shut your mouth or feel the wrath of all of your union brethren. What do you think these SAME GUYS would have done to a reporter who did the same thing as you???

  52. Justin permalink
    February 18, 2009 10:53 pm

    It’s funny that you post something that is well written and thought out. And most of these responses lack judgement. Pedro is better than you? I hope he was talking about Martinez and not Gomez. Gomez can’t couldn’t throw a fit, nevermind a fastball.

    As far as the PED’s, I was a pitcher, so I feel for pitchers. Roy Oswalt had some harsh criticism of Arod, and he was correct. What if Arod went 2-3 and knocked in the game winning run. That costed him a win, and money in is contract (which I’m sure he has CY Young clauses, etc. That kid is a stud.)

    You hitters want to juice it up? Fine. Let’s raise the mound 5 inches and see what hitters can hit then. Good luck with a breaking ball that instead of breaking 4-5 inches, let’s make that 6-9 inches.

    As far as Gomez is concerned. That guy is a clown in the circus that was Bonds. EVERY SportsCenter report on Bonds was done by Gomez. The fact that media members “knew for a fact” who was using is mind boggling.

    This happens every winter. And, for me, it all ends when the first pitch is thrown. I hate the fact that baseball has become the scapegoat for PED’s in sports. Everyone is naive to think it only happens in between the foul poles.

    That said, keep up the good work Curt. You are a valuable asset to the community.

  53. Justin permalink
    February 18, 2009 10:57 pm

    One more thing. If you guys WATCH baseball, sometimes numbers are misleading. How many times have you seen Manny Ramirez SCREAM at himself in the batters box for missing his pitch? My guess is, over 150 swings in his career here. Which over the eight years breaks down to almost 20 bombs a year. I understand this is an extreme circumstance, being that Manny could be a top 3 greatest righthanded hitter of all time.

    However, it is not that far-fetched that a player can produce better numbers, by simply execution and NOT using PED’s…

  54. Ozzie permalink
    February 19, 2009 4:33 pm

    REGARDING MEDIA

    I often laugh at Players, Managers, Organizations that take to TASK the MEDIA (BLAME THE MEDIA) for everything.

    When a player wants to PIMP (errrrrr Sell) a PRODUCT whom does he go to? Thats right the MEDIA to sneak in PLUGS for their PRODUCTS, EVENTS etc…

    The MEDIA is the WINDOW to the FANS they allow us to hear the GOOD, BAD & UGLY stories that occur behind the SCENES…B/C lets face it Players are NEVER HONEST enough to tell us (FANS) the TRUTH. First Ex. Derek ‘Company Man Quotes’ Jeter. Second Ex. Dallas trying to throw Ed Werder under the Bus for TO “I HATE” Romo drama

    LESSON OF THE DAY:
    IF MEDIA IS DIRT THEN DON’T USE THEM TO PIMP YOUR EVENTS, PRODUCTS…ALL PLAYERS SHOULD JUST PULL A BONDS & NOT TALK TO THE MEDIA

    ANOTHER LESSON:
    MLBPA just sent a WRITTEN STATEMENT on how to respond to MEDIA re: STEROID ERA…Because the MEDIA is MISREPORTING the facts. Hence referring to the previous posts now we see all these FORMER PLAYERS striking back “NOT ALL PLAYERS USED PEDs” Union rhetoric

  55. sdl1 permalink
    February 19, 2009 10:09 pm

    Hey Curt…

    Great post.

    What stinks is now because of all the crap going on, more and more records are going to be scrutinized and I wouldn’t be surprised if some, like Bonds; will be expunged.

    Pedro Gomez also seems to be the modern-day version of Dick Young (or as I called him, “Lick Dung”)

  56. Phillymaan permalink
    February 20, 2009 1:33 pm

    Curt,
    I guess you do accept the wins you got from Big Papi, Len Dykstra, Luis Gonzalez, Darren Daulton, and Pete Incaviglia. All obvious users. Give those wins back. Whats that leave you with about 50 wins in your career. I’m so glad you were clean all those years, if not we would have had to listen to MORE out of your mouth. Face it your and overpaid crybaby. Always were, always will be. You were too good for the Phils and they did you a favor trading you away after taking a chance on you, helping your career then rehabbing you from shoulder surgery. Then you used them to get more money in free agency twice. Your a selfish LOSER.
    Now you blame the Media. What a joke, you were in the same locker rooms. Drank beers with all the players mentioned above. You say nothing. What a hypocrit.

    Later Mr Shilling, have a great life.

  57. Odin Silva permalink
    February 20, 2009 7:42 pm

    I would like to respond to Chris Fiorentino. Why is it the media gets a pass? I always here reporters saying its not personal, its about truth. If they really were doing their job, and they really did care like they say they do now, they should report it. You always see reporters doing what it takes to get the story, even if its almost stalking the story.
    So how can you say the media had its hands tied? A-Rod’s name was not supposed to be released. It was. So don’t tell me the media was incapable of getting to the bottom of the problem. Unless there were media outlets benefitting from MLB, so they didn’t want to break the story. Which by the way, makes them just as dirty as the players that used, and just as dirty as the Union.
    We all know the media is very capable of finding out facts, one way or another.
    For example, under an agreement, A-Rod’s name and the names of others were not supposed to be released. But it was. So the media is not as hand-tied as you claim Chris. They get no “get out of jail free” card from me. Not one pass.
    I just hope the other players on that list decide to be honest and come forward before some media member profits out of being the first one to break the news.
    I am a forgiving person, and I have always been, and always will be, a fan of baseball. It is time to move on. I am dissappointed, but I will not let it destroy my love for the game.

  58. Matt permalink
    February 20, 2009 7:51 pm

    “p.s. Pedro was better then you and did not take steroids so why are you bashing him?”

    Way to actually read the entry, guy.

  59. February 22, 2009 11:59 am

    I’m sick of the media bashing. If it weren’t for the media, the players would still be using. I could care less about 38’s views on the matter. Talking is cheap after the fact. The fact is that the media are paid considerably less money than you to talk about exciting things but also expose nonsense that goes on in sport.

    Curt, you earned millions in your lifetime. Playing a game. As a result, you set yourself up in the public eye to be scrutinized. However, you can’t stand the fact that reporters have opinions of their own. Shame, really. You don’t seem to trust the ability of the American Public to discern between opinion and fact?! Is that why you spend so much time on the radio and blogging to “set the record straight”? How am I supposed to believe you any more than someone else?

    If it weren’t for the media, you would be out of a job. So, please let them do theirs. You have earned Tens of Million$$ as a result of the press. I guess if squeaky-clean Curt doesn’t know about it it doesn’t exist? Come on, man. We’re not the stupid. I don’t really feel the need to accept your viewpoint on reporters. You’ve made them out to be your enemies. Actually, they are your best friends.

  60. Odin Silva permalink
    February 22, 2009 7:05 pm

    If it wasn’t for players and stars, the media would be out of a job. If it wasn’t for bad news, there would be no news at all. Why can’t the media go out and dig up some good stories? Because there isn’t as much to profit from if the story is good. I understand the public scrutiny as part of the territory that comes with being famous. But at the same time, the media is way too negative.
    I have no problem with the media doing their job. Just don’t pick and choose when you do it. The steroid problem could have been brought out a long time ago, had some people actually. I don’t put all 100% of the blame on one group as far as the “steroid era” goes. But the media is not blameless. And if the media can’t take part of the blame for the steroid problem, then they shouldn’t take credit for a players earnings.
    And as far as “playing a game” goes, how would you like to be away from home like professional athletes? You think it is all fun and games, with no hard work or effort involved? If that it the case, then anyone can pick up a pen and paper, track down a story, and do the media’s job as well. So I doubt that is the case.

  61. Chris Fiorentino permalink
    February 23, 2009 12:05 pm

    In response to Odin…I never said the media had their hands tied. What I said was that if Pedro Gomez went on the record in his newspaper with a story alleging that A-Rod, Bonds, or any # of players did steroids, his newspaper would have been sued out the yin-yang. You prove my point when you say the list was not supposed to be released. Do you honestly think it was “good reporting” that got A-Rod’s name out in the open? Or do you think that clearly these two reporters knew someone or had a source somewhere and that the feds and/or one of the lackeys in the testing facilities wanted to bury A-Rod?

    Let me try to make my point by giving an example. Let’s say I am a writer for the Philadelphia Daily News. We all know that Barry Bonds did steroids, but let’s say I take it a step further and state that his name is surely on the list of 104 guys who failed. My paper would be sued the next day. You see, I am not allowed to make that statement without unequivocal evidence of his name on the list. I’ll never get that unless I have a source on the inside with the feds, the testing center, or MLB. That’s why they had 4 DIFFERENT SOURCES…because this is a HUGE deal and is an offense that could bring about lawsuits BIG TIME.

    I don’t mean to excuse the media 100%…some of those guys had first-hand knowledge and did nothing. But those who did not have first-hand knowledge could NEVER EVER EVER write anything on the record specifically about ANYONE, without the risk of being sued.

    Read Jose Canseco’s book “Juiced”…skip through the 3rd grade level writing and you will find some very interesting things he has to say about guys like McGwire, Palmiero, Pudge, A-Rod, etc. It turns out he was right about them all.

  62. February 23, 2009 6:57 pm

    Dear Curt,
    As a baseball fan and a Curt Shilling fan let me say I’m glad you have this website. I wish Derrell Strawberry had one.
    The whole thing with the steroids in baseball has become an overblown issue. First if they were not illegal at the time it’s really a moot point. In essence it is really grasping at straws to criticize anyone for their past steroid use. Some of the same people who would criticize a player for using steroids would not
    even consider their own moral weaknesses as a problem. That is just human nature. I could easily be criticized and sometimes are for my moral weakness. I think the problem of some guy getting drunk and beating up his girl friend or his wife are much more of a serious issue as opposed to whether some baseball star took steroids years ago. If Mark Mcguire took steroids he is the one who will have to pay the price for it. Not the fans. In the end we all pay the price for our mistakes. People assume Mark took steroids but Mark never said either way. It is one thing to say I think he did. That is just my opinion. That is ok. Everybody has one.
    I am a New York Mets fan. I will never forget the infamous sixth game of the 1986 world series. I was playing scrabble with a good friend of mine and watching the game. The Mets won the game and I won the scrabble game on the last play of the game. I went out on a triple word.
    The general public should not expect that baseball players are super human. That is an unrealistic expectation. I understand ball players are role models,but,so are an individuals parents,grandparents,siblings,etc.
    Sometimes we are our own worst enemy. I believe its important to strive to do our best. But when we fall
    we get back up and do it again until we have mastered it.
    Politically I guess I would be an independent. Some things I am conservative on and other things I am liberal on. Ann Coulter would probably consider me to be a liberal.
    Keep up the good website. I hope your health is good.
    Sincerely yours,
    Vern

  63. Odin Silva permalink
    February 23, 2009 7:29 pm

    Thank you for your response, Chris. Maybe I thought you were giving the media a 100% pass. I am just as interested to find out the sources for the info that Selena Roberts had. I agree with the “big fish” aspect as far as throwing A-Rod into the grinder. I had my suspicions about him when the Mitchell report came out, but there was no proof. I am curious as to who had something to gain by leaking out the positive test results, knowing that could mean legal action due to the agreement made at the time of the sample testing. I think eventually we will find out who the other players are, at least some, and who came forward with the info.
    And as for Pedro getting sued, wouldn’t it be almost the same as Selena Roberts if he printed the story saying “I personally know”, and not quoting his sources?
    If he came out and said “this is what I have been told”, I don’t think he could have been legally responsible. Selena has not given up her sources. So in a way, Pedro Gomez also let a little slip by. As I said, thank you for your response, Chris. This is one of those things that will go on forever. I am ready for the new “era” in baseball. I don’t think it will be totally over until the rest of the names are released.

  64. Rick Donnelly permalink
    February 24, 2009 2:23 am

    Well, Curt, I’m a tad older than you are and I actually recall reading the article on PED’s in Sports Illustrated all those years ago. I also recall the public reaction vilifying Tom Boswell when he leaked his steroid story on Conseco using PED’s. It seems that the public did not want to hear about steroids because it violated their sense of hero worship. People become emotionally attached to the stars of the local teams and don’t wish to hear them criticized in the press (except, perhaps, in Boston, but it’s different there, isn’t it?).

    So, softball interviews, blind eyes, pretending ignorance to the 600 lb. gorilla shooting steroids in the shower is also the bread and butter of of baseball journalism. Criticism may sell a story, but it is the hero worship that has (at least in the past) sold the newspapers.

    Those of us who watched players like Canseco, Mcgwire, and Bonds gain power, size, speed, and height well beyond their normal growing years certainly had few doubts about how that happened, but the press was notably silent. Probably because it was good business NOT to tell the true story. Lousy journalism, indeed, but journalism, like baseball, is “a business” (boy am I tired of that phrase being used to excuse atrocious behavior), and we all know that where money is concerned, truth takes a back seat in sports journalism.

  65. February 24, 2009 10:50 am

    Great to see this blog up first of all. I know you’ve been at it for awhile. Its going to be quite some time before the MLB cleans up its act. We’re grateful this blogs up to clear up the BS that floats around way too often.

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