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Shocked? You just can't be anymore.

February 7, 2009

We can’t be shocked by any names, any more. Oh, and in my opinion, if this question is asked …

In a December 2007 interview with ’60 Minutes,’ three days after George Mitchell’s report on drugs in the sport was released, Rodriguez denied using peformance-enhancing drugs.

… the answer should be “No, never”, period.

Starting with this:

“I’ve never felt overmatched on the baseball field … I felt that if I did my, my work as I’ve done since I was, you know, a rookie back in Seattle, I didn’t have a problem competing at any level.” — Alex Rodriguez.

Which, btw, is not a “No, never!” all the way to “Yes”. Anything other than “I have never used Steroids, HGH or any other performance enhancing drugs” has to be considered a “Yes”, doesn’t it?

ADDENDUM!!! I made the horrific mistake I was forever pissed at the media for making and I want to apologize. Alex did in fact flat out deny ever using Steroids, or HGH in this interview and with Katie Couric by saying “NO, I never used them”. I’ll now take a page from my own book and never pull comments or content from a ‘published’ media source and use that as my reference material. So in closing, Alex did in fact flat out deny ever using PED’s in any form.

“You’ll have to talk to the union” and ‘failed to return inquiries’ are terms we’ve all heard before with many folks. If you go back to comments earlier in the decade when many players were complaining about the testing — I know I said it — the main concern was the ability for them to remain “anonymous”.

That’s a very insignificant piece here until someone who is actually innocent is nailed or outed. How will we know who that is? Will it happen?

I’d be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on if that is at all possible. In my opinion, if you don’t do that, then the other 600-700 players are going to be guilty by association, forever.

It’s not about good and bad people, because Mark McGwire and Jason Giambi are two of the kindest human beings ever. Andy Pettite is a fantastic person. That’s seemingly got nothing to do with anything. One hundred and four players made the wrong decision, and it appears that not only was it 104, but three of the greatest of our, or any, generation appear to be on top of this list.

And before anyone asks, I’ll make it clear: My name will not appear on any lists of positive tests. I’ve never tested positive for steroids or HGH, and I’ve never taken steroids or HGH in my life, ever. You don’t need to call the union, or an agent to verify that.

RELATED LINKS:

A-Rod Reportedly Tested Positive For Steroids

Audio: Jose Canseco talking about Roger Clemens and Alex Rodriguez (4:32 mark talks about introducing A-Rod to a steroid dealer)

Guttenplan: A-Rod Falls Not So Hard

LEEINKS: More Audio … And A Korean Baseball “Fight”

Audio: Sherman: Roberts Writing Book On A-Rod

158 Comments leave one →
  1. February 7, 2009 1:10 pm

    I’d love to be able to enjoy some schadenfreude from this report, but I’m not. This makes me really sad.

    I know that there are only more to add to the list, but I refuse the idea some float that more players have cheated than haven’t. To me that’s like saying most men cheat on their wives. I know some do; I don’t believe all do.

    I don’t think cheating at your job makes you a horrible person, but it certainly makes you less of a good person in my eyes. Giambi and Pettitte might be good guys, generally speaking, but the bottom line is, they are also cheaters.

  2. Sheryl Sussman permalink
    February 7, 2009 1:25 pm

    As a fan, I’ve been over and done with this issue for a long time. My proposal for moving on? The past is the past, I’ve already forgotten it. But any new positive tests going forward should be named. That way perhaps those considering using in the future will think twice about doing it. Haven’t we already spent way too much time on this issue?

  3. February 7, 2009 1:39 pm

    Sheryl, in 2003, ARod won the American League MVP as well as being the home run leader for the season. He’s been touted as the player who was going to be the REAL home run king after Hank Aaron because HIS record wouldn’t be tainted. So, really, it isn’t about the past. It’s about how the past is affecting the future of the game.

  4. Neil permalink
    February 7, 2009 2:15 pm

    From that 60 Minutes interview:
    Katie Couric: For the record, have you ever used steroids, human growth hormone, or any other performance enhancing substance?
    A-Rod: No.

    How is that not a full denial, Curt?

    That works. At least at the time it worked. I hate the thought of just assuming SI is beyond reproach, and there is no way this is false, but is that just the assumption now?

  5. February 7, 2009 2:17 pm

    I don’t think that baseball will ever be over this scandal, baseball’s future is based so significantly in comparing itself to the past. We still look at and read about the Black Sox scandal from around 90 years ago and argue about the records of Shoeless Joe (Field of Dreams). So the steroid era in baseball will be discussed and talked about for the next 100 years or so, or at least until those player’s records are eclipsed by players who can show that they did not use steroids or until another major scandal is revealed.

    Personally, in order for baseball to show good faith to its fans, it should publish the names of those players who tested positive. Talk about the player’s right to privacy all you want, when a ballplayer knowingly cheats and is paid to provide entertainment (which is what baseball is), that player whatever sport, looses some of their rights to privacy. It is simply one of the costs of being in the public eye.

    So baseball has a choice publicize the names of players that tested positive and retain the integrity of the other players or hide behind Legaleese and indict many innocent players with this broad paint brush that is being used regarding the “Steroid Era” of baseball.

  6. Babe Ruth permalink
    February 7, 2009 2:24 pm

    Why didn’t you cooperate with the Mitchell Report again?

    Why was the only person who cooperated named Frank Thomas?

    I think you’re just as guilty. You obviously have something to hide if you couldn’t even talk with George Mitchell.

    It’s going to take more than names to be released for this to go away. More players have to stand up. You were pretty outspoken to the media but when congress and Mitchell came around, you closed your mouth pretty quick.

    I don’t believe you Curt.

  7. February 7, 2009 2:33 pm

    It’s funny that the Bonds/Aaron conversation came up on PTI this week and Wilbon said something to the effect of Bonds being stripped of the record and it be given back to Aaron, to whom it will remain until A-Rod breaks it sometime down the road.

    If Bonds gets stripped of the record and his career is tainted, so should A-Rods.

    It’s not about who is a nice person, because I’m sure many of those named on the list are very fine men (and I mean that sincerely).

    It’s about whether or not they cheated. If they did cheat, their stats should be ignored. If that doesn’t happen then those in control of MLB who have the power to decide such things have absolutely no integrity…unless they go around teaching their children that cheating is OK unless they get caught.

  8. /b/tard permalink
    February 7, 2009 2:37 pm

    Cheat on wife√
    Cheat on baseball√
    Cheat on taxes…

  9. Eric permalink
    February 7, 2009 2:40 pm

    Cyn, Question about the past, then. Did Hank Aaron ever take amphetamines in order to improve his fast-twitch muscle response? Jim Bouton wrote in Ball Four that most players did during that era.

    Thanks!

  10. Sheryl Sussman permalink
    February 7, 2009 2:45 pm

    Cyn, excellent point. I won’t even guess at how to solve that issue. That’s a can of worms I don’t want to touch. I’ll let more experienced minds handle that… 🙂

  11. February 7, 2009 2:47 pm

    Hey Curt! Nice to see you on top of this as usual. Being one of the great pitchers of our time who can come out and not beat around the bush with the question around steroids, this has to improve your Hall of Fame ballot. With so many names flying around, to establish the numbers that you did in this era is incredible. With Clemens being called out as a cheater (sorry Curt, but he used to be my favorite pitcher of all time, even in pinstripes no matter how much it hurt), yourself, Randy Johnson, Nolan Ryan, Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, David Cone and some of the other greats from our era appear so much more impressive. I think the point here is you deserve all the credit in the world for not buying into the steroid era and thinking you needed to do it to compete, even with all of your physical issues (injuries and such).

    If I was a sports writer eligable to vote on the Hall of Fame, you would be a first ballot guy as far as I’m concerned. 300 wins is a great stat, and seen as a benchmark. But guys like yourself and even a Mike Mussina has to be respected for their dedication to the game of baseball. You continue to make us Boston fans proud. And if you do come back for a half season or full season, I would love to see you join John Smoltz and Tim Wakefield as our seasoned veteran pitchers.

    I’d be interested to see what you think about this years team compared to the 2004 team. That team with the whole bald cowboys with beards theme was great! Such chemistry even with Manny Ramirez, it seemed like you guys went out every day and just had a blast. I see this 2009 Red Sox team (with Youkilis and Pedroia instead of Millar and Mueller) having that same kind of chemistry. I’d be very interested to hear your impressions.

  12. bill permalink
    February 7, 2009 3:23 pm

    not much of a union brother,are you Curt?

  13. Yankee Dynasty permalink
    February 7, 2009 3:40 pm

    You seem to have opinions on everyone else in baseball, How about taking the 8 million you made last year to sit at home and do nothing, and giving it back to the Red Sox, Mr. Innocent, why didn’t you cooperate with the Mitchell Report? You really are a big hypocrite.

  14. February 7, 2009 3:53 pm

    “Did Hank Aaron ever take amphetamines in order to improve his fast-twitch muscle response?”

    I’m flattered you think I’d know that. The question should be “is there any proof that Hank Aaron took amphetamines…”?

    “I hate the thought of just assuming SI is beyond reproach, and there is no way this is false, but is that just the assumption now?”

    I don’t think anyone believes any reporters are beyond reproach. But Selena Roberts was just grilled by Bob Costas and she made it clear that this wasn’t put together quickly. She has sources, did her due diligence, spoke with both Alex Rodriguez and Gene Orza, and put her story together. What I DO believe is someone with Roberts’ reputation wouldn’t just write an “ARod did steroids” story without absolutely believing what she was writing.

    People gave the guys who wrote “Game of Shadows” grief too because they didn’t want to face the truth.

  15. Peri permalink
    February 7, 2009 4:35 pm

    Shocked initially, but after going back and reading Arod’s quotes on the subject matter, I’m less suprised. Brace yourselves because more names are sure to come out.

    I’m at a loss to understand in what context to evaluate the era. Cements the notion that pitchers like Schill and Mussina are Hall of Famers. Not sure how they saw success with what appears to be an incredible amount of hitters juiced.

    So Canseco was correct….again…

  16. February 7, 2009 4:44 pm

    The minute I saw the headline with A-Rod (and noticed that Madonna’s name was not also in the headline) I knew what it was going to say. And then I thought, “what a shocker.” Note the sarcasm. Sad but so true that this is not at all shocking.

    I agree with your statement 100% – “I’d be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on if that is at all possible. In my opinion, if you don’t do that, then the other 6-700 players are going to be guilty by association, forever.”

  17. Peri permalink
    February 7, 2009 4:57 pm

    Shocked initially, but after going back and reading Arod’s quotes on the subject matter, I’m less suprised. Brace yourselves because more names are sure to come out.

    I’m at a loss to understand in what context to evaluate the era. Cements the notion that pitchers like Schill and Mussina are Hall of Famers. Not sure how they saw success with what appears to be an incredible amount of hitters juiced.

    So Canseco was correct….again…

  18. February 7, 2009 5:13 pm

    Isn’t that what Rafael Palmeiro tried to do? I guess if you go the “No, never” route, be right. Wonder what would have happened to that interview if A-Rod would have simply said “Yeah. I did it. It was a mistake and it’s been years since.”

  19. February 7, 2009 5:28 pm

    You say your name will NEVER appear on any report?
    I hope you are correct but I would not be shocked to hear Your name or “any” other name showed up on a report about using steroids.
    A-Liar said he never used and never was tempted to use, So why should I believe you?

    Oh I wouldn’t be shocked to hear it, no one can be and I am certainly not immune. None of us are. But for my name to appear it will have to be someone creating a scenario or story that did not occur.

  20. glen permalink
    February 7, 2009 5:38 pm

    i haven’t paid much attention, but does curt still think the bush administration was simply grand?
    i know that’s off-subject, but i have a difficult time taking seriously any commentary on any subject by anyone that misguided in his thinking…

  21. DrJeff permalink
    February 7, 2009 6:31 pm

    Curt – you are 100% correct – just name all the names and let’s get on with the game. No more behind the cutain inuendoes – Just get it all out in the open and MOVE ON!

  22. Michael permalink
    February 7, 2009 7:05 pm

    Curt,

    as Neil says above, when asked have you used steroids or HGH, etc ARpd said no. The quote you have is his answer to a follow up question that was have you ever been tempted to use steroids to keep up with others who were using.

    Heres the Link

  23. Matt_In_Maine permalink
    February 7, 2009 7:07 pm

    “….One hundred and four players made the wrong decision, and it appears that not only was it 104, but three of the greatest of our, or any, generation appear to be on top of this list.”

    This sentence puzzles me Curt. Maybe I’m misunderstanding the information but the 104 players of which A-Rod was one were tested in the, supposed, 2003 test done by MLB via Comprehensive Drug Testing whose results were late seized by the ATF in as part of the government’s BALCO case. From what I have read Rodriguez is the only name to leak of the 104 positive tests done in 2003 by MLB/CDT Inc. Who are the other 2 players that you are referring to? I’m assuming that you don’t mean that Pettite & Giambi are/were the greatest players of this generation. McGwire was retired by 2003. Are you talking about Clemens & Bonds being part of this group of 104 positive tests? Has this been leaked previously? From what I have read Clemen’s steroid allegations are related to the MacNamee charges and that Bond’s test result from this 2003 testing showed THG after a re-testing of his sample done by a federal government retained doctor.

    Just wondering if you know something that we don’t know about other players. I know you probably wouldn’t reveal it on your blog (although ‘EEI would LOVE the site hits it would generate)

    On a lighter note — congrats to your Steelers for their 6th trophy!

  24. MarkB permalink
    February 7, 2009 7:14 pm

    Are you being a “union brother” when you watch guys steal off the warehouse shipping bay and you keep your mouth shut? Are you a “union brother” when see guys taking no-show jobs, and you keep your mouth shut? That’s what the Mob does. I’m not a brother with criminals, I’m not a brother with guys who cheat to get ahead of me in my profession, and I’m not a brother with anyone who makes my entire profession look bad. Anyone who puts that “union brother” crap ahead of honesty, decency and self-respect is no better than scum. The only people who have any reason to talk about “rats” are criminals. If you think like a criminal, good luck to you. Curt is just thinking like an honest, self-respecting man. Not everyone gets it.

  25. bosoxyaz8 permalink
    February 7, 2009 7:18 pm

    The 2009 New York Yankees season ended today they are DONE .

  26. jjmcs permalink
    February 7, 2009 7:24 pm

    Bill,

    Why should Curt be a union bro if the union’s policy is to cover up wrong doings?

    I am all for the brotherhood if the brotherhood is on the right side and for too long the MLB union leadership (and leadership in other unions for that matter) have been not working in the best interest of the product it is producing.

    Curt,
    My hypothetical, because I think we Sox fans need to be aware that shortly it could be shared that some of our own were part of that 104, what would be your opinion if one of your team mates from 04 is eventually listed?

    best,

  27. lexi nerney permalink
    February 7, 2009 7:50 pm

    Just Curious… Were the 104 players that tested positive told that they tested positive? Considering it was supposed to be a random secret ‘survey’ no names should have been on the samples. Not defending the victims (fools) but interesting that Arod taking steroids at the time wasn’t ‘baseball illegal’ only ‘go to jail illegal’.

  28. Chris permalink
    February 7, 2009 8:06 pm

    Curt, I was reading your comments on nyyfans. Don’t listen to the morons, I appreciate you taking the time to come in and give your thoughts on the “enemy” website. I hated you when you played but just because you were so good and you killed the Yankees.

    This shakes my faith in baseball to the core. I now suspect EVERY player of being a cheat.

  29. Rob permalink
    February 7, 2009 8:32 pm

    Before our eyes glaze over with schadenfreude, perhaps we can take a minute to realize that there are 104 names on that list.

    A-Rod’s is one.

    Does anybody here want to go on record as being absolutely certain that NONE of the other 103 called Fenway their home in 2004, say? This is a disappointing day in a number of ways, but it will get worse from our vantage point if names like Ortiz, Ramirez, Martinez, Garciaparra, or any of the other Sox from that squad turn up on it.

    Today we will gleefully use names like “A-Fraud” and “A-Roid”.

    Tomorrow we may well be defending our “tainted championship” and talk of having to cheat to break an 86-year dry spell.

  30. Elvis Elvisberg permalink
    February 7, 2009 8:52 pm

    I’m with Cyn. I can’t muster up a single ounce of schadenfreude, or even outrage. This just makes me really sad.

    It’s terrible for baseball.

    And I’m a Sox fan, and all, and Tek squashing Alex’s face was the background on my computer for about 3 years, but I really thought, and hoped, he was legit. I thought he got a lot of crap that he didn’t deserve, especially from Yankees fans (and players and managers). I’m surprised and really, really disappointed. Guess I’m dumb.

    (My friends who are Mariners fans are downright gleeful, for whatever that’s worth).

  31. February 7, 2009 9:28 pm

    Today I took my three girls to the Fan Fest at Chase Field. We walked through the clubhouse and I set foot on a major league field for the first time in my life. I was like an eight year old boy, a smile from ear to ear as my wife took my picture in the dugout. Me, pretending to be a D-Back studying the opposing pitcher for when it’s my turn to take a crack at him.

    While I was sitting there, I noticed to my right, coming out of the tunnel was Kurt Gibson. This guy was one of my many heros when I was a kid. All I got to say is if Kurt cheated, I would have been pretty upset as a kid. I don’t think all of us adults spend anytime thinking about this from a kid’s point of view. Watch last year’s little league world series. How many of the players from all over the world say Alex is their favorite player. I feel bad for them.

    Mr. Schilling, you too have been one of my favorite pitchers of all time and it is an honor to comment on your blog. I think you are right. The biggest issue in my mind…in my heart, is that, when asked whether they took steroids, they lie about it.

    The question for the fan is: “Do we pay to see good guys hit, or do we pay to see guys hit good?”

  32. AmyS permalink
    February 7, 2009 10:30 pm

    OK, so I hate the Yankees and I love anything that brings down A-Rod…

    however, that being said, I think it was really evil on SI’s part to only name A-Rod knowing what it would do to him and their club. Why not find out the other 103 names? If they can find out his name how hard would it be to find the rest? All or none is what I think, this seems to be very antagonistic. Not that I’m surprised that a journalist would do this, just not impressed. She said she didn’t enjoy upsetting people’s lives but then why?

  33. February 7, 2009 11:35 pm

    “Were the 104 players that tested positive told that they tested positive?”

    According to the Mitchell Report – yes.

    I was under the impression that it was TOTALLY anonymous, even to the players. The only thing that ‘mattered’ was the pass/fail %. Over 5 and we were agreeing to a new testing program, under, business as usual. Maybe the positives were told, but I am pretty sure that was not the plan. If they were, I would think that would open up some serious issues for anyone that may have perjured themselves in recent years, having been told they had tested positive….

  34. zach permalink
    February 7, 2009 11:54 pm

    nice try curt we all know you are on HGH so SHUT UP

  35. Madduxforever permalink
    February 8, 2009 12:39 am

    We love you Curt. Thank you for all you have done with the voice of reason and humor in our time. Please come back to the Sox in 09. I own two jerseys. A Schilling jersey & a Maddux jersey. Please keep it up. Jonathan

  36. joe permalink
    February 8, 2009 12:48 am

    why do you go and say no ihave never taken steroids or hgh go ask the union. why do you always say that? you must be guilty yourself.

  37. njguy76 permalink
    February 8, 2009 2:20 am

    “Oh, and in my opinion, if this question is asked …

    In a December 2007 interview with ‘60 Minutes,’ three days after George Mitchell’s report on drugs in the sport was released, Rodriguez denied using peformance-enhancing drugs.

    … the answer should be “No, never”, period.”

    Hey Curt, If you are looking for an answer to a question, then it should be a question. The “question” that you provided is a statement. It’s not a question that was asked of him on 60 minutes.

  38. Hao permalink
    February 8, 2009 3:38 am

    Curt, don’t listen to them. You know you’re innocent, and some of us still do.
    “I” know you just wanted to clarify that you didn’t take any steroids, and I believe you. We can’t say somebody is guilty when they’re not!

  39. Doctor X permalink
    February 8, 2009 4:04 am

    This is ultimately a good thing: get rid of the poisons.

    Congratulations Hank Aaron–you remain the Home Run king for at least another generation.

    –J.D.

  40. Doctor X permalink
    February 8, 2009 4:07 am

    Curt, you may not wish to give your opinion on this understandably, but you are now commenting publicly on the sport: do those found to have used steroids belong in the Hall of Fame?

    –J.D.

  41. Lou Dyer Jones permalink
    February 8, 2009 7:28 am

    “We love you Curt.”

    Speak for yourself. The man is an insufferable blowhard will very little to add to any situation besides ignorant bluster and self-aggrandizement, which is the case here as well. I for one am very grateful for his performances over the years but I’m glad he’s gone and wish he would now just go away along with his lying president.

    Having said that, to whomever has accused Mr. Schilling of doping, I completely disagree. There is no evidence whatsoever that that is the case, and like Cyn, I don’t believe everyone did it, even if many, many did. It’s unfair and unethical to taint all with the same brush, because it doesn’t hold accountable those who were truly guilty.

  42. Lou Dyer Jones permalink
    February 8, 2009 7:31 am

    “Why not find out the other 103 names?”

    Because a) no one was supposed to ever find out any of them, and b) they are likely not news. ARod is.

  43. Lou Dyer Jones permalink
    February 8, 2009 7:33 am

    “Does anybody here want to go on record as being absolutely certain that NONE of the other 103 called Fenway their home in 2004, say?”

    Of course not, but that’s really not the point here.

  44. Zach R permalink
    February 8, 2009 7:34 am

    And just think… in the winter of ’03-’04, he “had one foot in a Red Sox uniform”.

  45. February 8, 2009 7:37 am

    I am not surprised to hear about A-Rod,considering his attitude towards baseball and everything else(which fits in with the rest of the Yankees and the organization). I think,however,that it is not a question of what happened in the past but rather how it will impact the future. How will we ever be able to induct someone into the Hall of Fame if it is thought that their achievements came from taking steroids and not on their sheer talent alone? Yes it is exciting to see a great performance from a player or a great game but not if it is being done under false pretenses,that the only reason that it is great is because of a substance having been taken.For the record,I believe you when you say that you never took anything(which is a good thing!). Let it be said that it will go down in history that you were/are so incredible,have and will do incredible things,purely because of you and not because of something that you were taking. That is the way that it should be. Thank you for once again giving us your thoughts and insight into the situation;as always,it is great to hear your point of view.

  46. February 8, 2009 9:40 am

    What a black eye for Major League Baseball. The League knew what was going on and turned a blind eye because fans kept shelling out the money to watch these juiced players hit home runs. How does MLB move forward from this?

  47. Zack permalink
    February 8, 2009 9:52 am

    ARod did say “No” 5 seconds before the quotes you took.

    “I’d be all for the 104 positives being named”
    and breaking a legal confidentiality agreement?

    as for the “talk to the union” comment, its reported that the players werent notified because it was anonymous. espn said sources say he was notified, but unless that source is arod or boras its not true.

  48. Tom Mc permalink
    February 8, 2009 10:37 am

    I would first like to respond to Joe. If you have paid attention Curt has always said that he has never taken performance enhancing drugs. As for Bill questioning Curt’s union brotherhood in my opinion the only ones hurting the union are the cheats and the union officials’ that are hell bent on covering it up.

    On the issue of the Hall of Fame I have been there three times with my son and read this slow… if you CHEATED you are OUT sorry you made that choice.

  49. February 8, 2009 10:38 am

    “I was under the impression that it was TOTALLY anonymous, even to the players. ”

    You would know better than I on that front. But my understanding was that before the Mitchell Report was released, the 104 players who tested positive were told that so. This is only based on what I’ve been reading and listening to over the last 24 hours, so it certainly could be misinformation.

  50. pinball-yankee permalink
    February 8, 2009 11:02 am

    I take Arod’s non-denial as an admission of guilt. He took a similar approach when caught with the stripper.

    I think this should certainly be held against him when HOF decisions are made.

    It’s difficult for us fans to know who is clean.

    There seem to be two different categories of this type of abuse – the ones who used this to enhance performance/prolong careers (Giambi, Bonds, Clemens), and the ones who used to recover from injury (Byrd, Pettitte). I have a little more sympathy for the latter group.

  51. Rich permalink
    February 8, 2009 12:03 pm

    It would not suprise me if Big Papi, Manny and other members of the red sox on on this.

  52. Dr. S. permalink
    February 8, 2009 12:31 pm

    A little perspective is in order, I believe. Ever since baseball became a professional sport there has been some form of cheating. Don’t believe it? Watch Ken Burns documentary “Ken Burns’ Baseball”. Many players used to make a good living out of “modifying” their performance to change the outcome of a game for the big money gamblers. That being said, the players throughout history did not change their performance with performance enhancing drugs. The numbers they put up were the result of their physical gifts, natural talent and hard work. They were the numbers of “true” ballplayers, if you will.

    What makes the steroid era so disturbing, what makes this form of cheating so troublesome is that a player’s performance is not simply the result of his physical gifts, his natural talent and his hard work, it is the result of a chemical that helps him play beyond his natural capacity. He is not a “true”, ballplayer, in other words, because he could not have achieved such numbers without steroids . Yet, his numbers are allowed to compare with those of players who have never used any substance. The steroid user gets contracts based on these phony numbers. Worse, he sets records with them. And, his records are allowed to compare to those of “true” players.

    (There is some talk that the MLB might add an asterisk to records achieved with roids. To me that’s just allowing the cheating. An asterisk does not clean up the fact that the numbers are phony and shouldn’t even be in the books, in my opinion.)

    I’m with Schilling. Let’s expose the names of all 104 cheaters. I’ll even go so far as to suggest; let’s put out the names of all the steroid using MLB players listed in each and every investigation, study or report. Once the names are all out on the table, lets expunge the record books of the players’ numbers and/or records. They don’t have valid numbers anyway.

    Once this exposing and expunging is completed, I don’t believe Major League Baseball will have many players who want to take the chance of enhancing their performance with roids. The fear of public exposure will be too great. And, once this form of cheating is voluntarily discontnued, the fans will again be able to believe in and enjoy the game of professional baseball. Why not? It will be played by “true” players like the days of old.

  53. Bob permalink
    February 8, 2009 12:43 pm

    Hey Curt, How did the Adderall work for you? Hypocrite!

  54. whitesoxfan05 permalink
    February 8, 2009 12:45 pm

    There seem to be similarities with this and the Black Sox scandal that few anywhere are bringing up.

    According to the book and movie 8 Men Out, the author alleges that the owners and LEAGUE OFFICIALS knew about cheating way before the story made the papers as a serious discussion.

    So when you see Mr. Selig and the owners feigning shock over how wide-spread the steroid problem seems to be, keep in mind that the league probably knew how bad the problem was way before they told people publicly and kept quiet to keep the $$$s flowing.

    My point is, if the positive players get to feel the heat, shouldn’t the owners who, as Pink Floyd put it, were “so happy they could hardly count” during all of this to get too concerned feel the heat too?

  55. Vitaly permalink
    February 8, 2009 12:58 pm

    Bigger circus right now: New York Yankees locker room OR Dallas Cowboys locker room? At least they can both sell their own concessions under the big top.

    My biggest fear with this story as that David Ortiz or Jason Varitek is also on this confidential list.

  56. Bob Gormally permalink
    February 8, 2009 1:05 pm

    Curt,
    Not defending A-Rod but let’s set the record straight… he did say NO on 60 Minutes…. direct form the interview…..

    “For the record, have you ever used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance-enhancing substance?” Couric asked.

    “No,” Rodriguez replied.

    Asked if he had ever been tempted to use any of those things, Rodriguez told Couric, “No.”

    “You never felt like, ‘This guy’s doing it, maybe I should look into this, too? He’s getting better numbers, playing better ball,'” Couric asked.

    “I’ve never felt overmatched on the baseball field. I’ve always been a very strong, dominant position. And I felt that if I did my work as I’ve done since I was, you know, a rookie back in Seattle, I didn’t have a problem competing at any level. So, no,” he replied

    You obviously listened to the interview because you got the third statement right… why did you choose to omit the first statements? Why the spin,,,
    We expect the unedited truth form you… don’t let us down like this again… this is no time for spin…..please

    I made a mistake I’ve often gotten pissed at media members for. I pulled the quotes from the ESPN article to get the piece done and move on. My fault, he did flat out deny he used, which now seems even worse…

  57. Edgtho permalink
    February 8, 2009 1:08 pm

    Any player who has been proven to have taken steroids should have their records expunged from baseball IMO. Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig…none of them ever needed HGH or steroids to become greats. The true mark of a great player is in their natural abilities, not in what an injection to their butt does.

  58. Bob Gormally permalink
    February 8, 2009 1:37 pm

    Curt,
    Curt,
    Thanks…. you’re a stand up guy.
    A here is today’s lesson…. When you are wrong… admit to it and move on. That’s what A-Rod should do if he lied.
    No fines, no suspensions… just an honest admission of guilt.
    But MLB and the PU have to step up also… let’s get it all out there and let the fans decide. Sure, the game will take some hits but in time will heal. No matter what comes out they can not kill our true love for this game…… and it is OUR game… not the writers, not the player’s, not the union’s, not leagues’.

  59. Mark permalink
    February 8, 2009 1:53 pm

    We should all be ashamed of ourselves. Some sleazy reporters get some sleazy scumbugs to break their ethical, moral and legal duties to keep the results confidential, and then we all use them to condemn someone. If Schilling or any sportswriter or anyone had the slightest bit of integrity, you would say you would pay no attention to this report because of the corrupt manner in which it was released.

  60. Bob Gormally permalink
    February 8, 2009 1:54 pm

    Curt,
    One last thing…. you need to go back and amend your original post on this matter…. not everyone reads the “comments” section…. that’s like when a newspaper buries a correction in the classifieds

  61. Dennis permalink
    February 8, 2009 2:00 pm

    Wow….I have to admit, I am let down. I mean, I am and always be a die hard Sox fan and as much as hate A-Rod and the Yankees, I always respected his talent because I thought it was pure talent. Now he is tainted and baseball takes another step backwards. I want to hear the rest of those names on that list from 2003, but at the same time I am terrified. You know what I mean? I don’t know what I’d do if Manny or Griffey were on that list. A-Rod messed up and watching that 60 minutes interview made it clear that he didn’t care cuz he didn’t even flinch when he lied. I mean, not only did he deny it, but he outright said he was dissappointed at the other players who were on steroids when in the back of his mind, he knew he had already tested positive. What a let down….Babe Ruth used to produce with hot dogs and beer no needles or cream……what happened to those days…..what happened to baseball?????

  62. Jeffrey V permalink
    February 8, 2009 2:32 pm

    Many players took steroids but isn’t this more of a leadership problem of MLB? As more players around the world entered MLB, from Cuba, Dominican Republic, Japan, Venezuela, don’t you have to take a step back and figure out that you are ALSO introducing more things into the game that way also? such as different steroids? It’s obvious that Selig and company were late to the party to implement proper drug testing and more importantly, investigate the matter. Shouldn’t MLB been figuring this out when the Cansecos, the Cabreras, the Suzukis and all were entering the game? With this and the whole shady business going on with the leadership of the players’ union, heads should roll after this.

    Its amazing how the media, the government will do anything to tear “one” person down who is on top of the world. Our society is obsessed with this and the whole drama and negativity that comes along with it. With our economy in shambles, 2009 is when we really need this baseball season for enterainment to fall back on. Shame on those who have ruined this so far in 2009.

  63. Dave S. permalink
    February 8, 2009 5:56 pm

    Curt,
    Do you feel like you (and other) clean players have a responsibility to out the cheaters. I know the whole idea of breaking some unwritten code is not desirable but your entire generation is tainted and that does not seem fair to the TRULY great players that did not cheat. I feel like in 10 or 15 years from now if there isn’t some real backlash on the part of the clean players then people will just look at the entire era as being corrupt. Any thoughts?

  64. February 8, 2009 6:02 pm

    Obviously the title of this entry summarizes everything. The problem I have with this whole issue is that A-Rod has never been proven to of been on steroids when they were illegal. And unlike Barry Bonds, he denied using them to the media and not a grand jurry. I believe that if he lays low, the Yankees will be able to also and I also believe its just the type of guy A-Rod is. I was stupid enough however in the 90s to believe that Bonds was working hard and not taking roids. So we could just as well find out in a year that A-Rod is still on them. If baseball wants to move on and have any chance of competing in the future with major sports they need to do just that, focus on the sport and not the distractions.

  65. Stephen permalink
    February 8, 2009 6:20 pm

    All these records from the so-called steroid era will stand, and they won’t have an asterisk next to their names either. Pete Rose bet on baseball and got banned from baseball, but his name still sits atop the all-time hits record.

  66. TeddyBallGame permalink
    February 8, 2009 6:47 pm

    I submitted this to Fark.com tonight and if you want to see some great comments check here in a little while. It’ll be on the “Sports” tab. Give it a few hours and you’ll be assured of some good perspective from good baseball fans and some of the funniest commentary on the web.

    As far as this situation, we need to see the other 103 people on this list. I hate A-Wad as much as anyone but there’s going to be other bombshells on that list. He’s certainly not the only baseball mega-star to use PED.

  67. Bob in RI permalink
    February 8, 2009 6:55 pm

    Curt,
    A few questions….
    Were you ever approached by a player or trainer regarding the subject of PED’s? If so, how did you handle the matter? Would you be willing to out them?
    Did you ever use amphetamines?
    Did you ever take a cortisone shot to mask pain and allow you to take the field?
    Did you ever consider that if you had played in another era the emergency surgery that allowed you to take the mound again in ’04 would not have been available to you and perhaps you team would have lost that series. In other words you benefited from the medical technologies of your era.
    If we were to be completely honest each generation benefits form medicines unavailable to their predecessors and we will never be able to quantify there impact on statistics.

  68. February 8, 2009 7:48 pm

    Like some other posters here, I’m actually pretty frustrated to see how easily information has leaked from a list that a) should have been completely anonymous, b) should have been destoyed six years ago, and c) is now a sealed document in a federal court case.

    The other 103? I’d rather not know. And I wish we’d never heard A-Rod’s name from that list, either. If it’s true, it’s a sad thing to see this happen to the legacy of a guy who’s so outrageously talented. Never mind how fun it’s been mocking A-Rod since ’04 — that was a good clean Boston tradition. This? This just depresses me. And If it turns out to have been false, it’s depressing in a whole new way.

    In any case, for A-Rod to be thrown under the bus like this, alone out of all those 104 players, just because his name is biggest and makes the best splash, is grossly unfair to him and extremely irresponsible on the part of SI.

    Me? I just wish we could get the whole of “the steroid era” behind us as quickly as possible, and I’d rather do that without seeing more and more icons ripped down and kicked around right in front of me, Red Sox or otherwise.

  69. dave lincoln permalink
    February 8, 2009 8:24 pm

    curt, will you please sign with the sox and make another series a lock here in beantown?

  70. Richie D permalink
    February 8, 2009 9:13 pm

    Curt…I’m with you. The names of the other 103 should be made public as well. Why should 2-3 guys get beat up like this when there were many many more guilty of the same abuse????.. I think the others are plain cowards for letting their “brothers” take the heat alone.

  71. Chris in IN permalink
    February 8, 2009 9:22 pm

    As baseball being my favorite sport my entire 42 years on Earth, I am so disgusted with all the cheating that players are doing. Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and others are rolling in their graves on what has become of today’s MLB. I believe that players that are tested positive should receive a 100 game suspension without pay on the first positive test, lifetime ban from MLB on the second positive test. It is by far not fair to the players that are playing the game the right way, by doing it with their natural born athleticism. I blame the MLB AND the players union for what has happened to date in the fight against steroid use. It’s like their walking on egg shells to try to do something about the problem. All they have to do is take the bull by the horns and institute the above mentioned penalties and the problem will take care of itself. I would rather watch nine players on the diamond that is steroid free than to watch all the Bonds, Clemens, McGuires, Rodriguezes with their pumped up bodies from HGH and steroids… because when you get right down to it, it’s CHEATING!!!

  72. February 8, 2009 9:34 pm

    Honestly, I’m just not all that surprised that Rodriguez was on this list. And, if history suggests anything, a huge majority of the 103 other players will be outed at some point in time. We could all use that kind of closure on the steroids era, so we can grieve and move on.

    It’s looking more and more like a positive steroids test means absolutely no Hall of Fame enshrinement. If that’s the case, then we’ll have three legends on the outside looking in. I’m curious to know if you think that punishment fits the crime.

  73. wlliamj79 permalink
    February 8, 2009 9:36 pm

    Hey most NBA players smoke you know what, mostly all football player take roids and NHL players snort all kind of things through their nose. MLB need to get out of this mess. I want to defend Arod(I’m not a big fan of), most baseball player did roid, what about the other 700+ players. What about their test? Is not fair to point him out only, but i guess that Selena(SI columnist writer) wanted the dirt on him.

    We are all baseball fans in this blog and i’m pretty sure nobody wants to go to see 3- 2 game or any type of low scoring game for that matter, unless our pitcher is striking out lots of batter. MLB in my book have a lot to thank to Sammy and Mcgwire. They brought life back to baseball and their fans and put their bodies at risk taking all that garbage. Yes they got huge contracts for a reward, but so do wrestler and we see how fast they disappear. Steroids is very potent which can lead to death and bad judgement. I want to be a fan and say thanks to all these talented players and their 60+ homerun days. Maybe you guys are gonna laugh at me and not admit that the homerun derby is one of your best allstar game event.

    I hope baseball can straighten this out and move on. Btw bring Barry back!!!

  74. February 8, 2009 10:02 pm

    Curt,

    You do realize by posting something that I agree with, you shatter my entire belief system, right?

    Seriously, this is bad. World ending kind of stuff. With the running, and the screaming…dogs and cats living together…mass hysteria.

  75. Brian permalink
    February 8, 2009 10:11 pm

    Kurt,

    I know you want every detail about players who have used steriods to come out, not only for the integrity of the game, but to fairness to those that didn’t. But is it fair for the results from the 2003 testing be made public desoite an agreement for them not to. Don’t get me wrong, it’s somewhat enjoyable watching A-Rod squirm. And full disclosure will surely be the begining of putting much of the witch hunt behind us, but I have a big issue of these leaks.

  76. February 8, 2009 10:29 pm

    Andy Pettite got called on it – and apologized.

    So to me, the bottom line is that while Andy Pettite and Jason Giambi might be nicer guys – they still cheated; at least they were man enough to own it. So it’s a bit more palatable to accept them and their “errors”, then when someone gets caught and denies it or tries to lie about it.

    Sometimes good people make bad choices, and that’s okay.
    I just don’t think ARod is a good person.

  77. bob permalink
    February 8, 2009 10:32 pm

    Shill,
    Arod has just ruined my love for the game. I cannot believe I have stuck up for him for years.

  78. viggy permalink
    February 8, 2009 10:38 pm

    A Curt be careful what you wish for, we might find out that half of the 2004 team used steroids (Big pope, millar, damon and more) so let’s keep these names a secert.

  79. Lou permalink
    February 8, 2009 10:40 pm

    Although I think you’re a complete idiot I happen to agree with you. name all names and move one, one or another. If he did it he needs to step up and move on. they caught 104 but not ALL were tested which means that there were a large number of OTHER positive tests left on the table. As far as I’m concerned they all did it, who cares, let’s move on. By the way how about giving some support to that other idiot Canseco, hate him as well but turns out he’s the only one that was telling the truth

  80. Bob Feller is baseball permalink
    February 8, 2009 10:52 pm

    I consider the number of people who have already tried and convicted Mr. Schilling of using PED’s a warning shot to baseball itself. We the fans simply don’t or can’t believe anybody at this point in time until the 104 names get dropped, if it ever occurss.

    This is a fine mess you’ve created Mr. Selig, your supposed ignorance on this matter makes you a bigger liar than A-Rod.

    You want a villian people? It’s not the players, it’s the guy in the throne who idly sat by and watched this happen because it was boosting the bottom line.

  81. Eric permalink
    February 8, 2009 10:58 pm

    Curt,
    Why do you feel it is necessary to come out and comment on everything related to a sport you are no longer a part of? Perhaps the reason you can no longer perform at a level high enough to play, is because you can no longer use. Do you really think anyone believes a word you are saying? Arod, Bonds, and McGuire all denied using, only to get named later. I agree, if Arod is going to be named, every one should be named. Let’s see how many Red Sox are on that list. I’m sure there are a few, then we will see who was cheating in 2004 when the Sox won. I think it is also funny that this list was supposed to be confidential. Apparently, confidential in baseball is only a few years…

  82. Steve permalink
    February 8, 2009 10:59 pm

    “I’d be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on if that is at all possible. In my opinion, if you don’t do that, then the other 600-700 players are going to be guilty by association, forever.”

    I’m sorry but IMO everyone from this era of baseball will forever be tainted (including you I am afraid). MLB and the players allowed an environment of rampant steroid use to develop, while other sports were taking measures to limit steroid use.

    This is NOT limited to the 105 players that had a positive test. These guys knew they were being tested, had to know that steroids were on their way out, and they still managed to fail the test. My guess is that 50-75%+ of MLB players were using steroids or HGH during this time, and the witch hunt should not be limited to those that managed to test positive for this one test.

  83. Matt Olson permalink
    February 8, 2009 11:06 pm

    Is Canseco still a liar? He was the only one who was truly honest in front of the congress. You all should be ashamed of yourselves who allowed this to happen while you turned blind eyes. It was easier to go after Jose Canseco then it was to admit the truth. If you aren’t, well I am ashamed for you.

  84. George permalink
    February 8, 2009 11:13 pm

    Hey Curt ,
    A Rod is still the best player in the game and he will always be , he has won the MVP with the yankees in 2007 and he will win it again , what happened in the past will stay in the past .
    go Yankees.

  85. Bob in RI permalink
    February 8, 2009 11:23 pm

    I predict that within the next 25 years PEDS will evolve to a point that they will be legal and then this matter will take care of itself… Bonds will be considered a pioneer and Arod will be the first MLBP to hit 850. Ball players will be playing into there mid forties and the 1000 HRs will be possible over the span of a 25 year career. Frankly, I can’t wait to see someone run a sub 9.00 in the 100 meters.

  86. Mike permalink
    February 8, 2009 11:26 pm

    I’m just curious Mr. Shilling can you look us all in the face and say you would have been able to pitch in the playoffs in 2004 had you not recieved that surgery and cortosone steroid shot? If your answer is no how is that any different that what these guys have done? You underwent a experimental surgery and took a drug to numb the pain to the point that you could gut your way to a memorable game.

    Please help me understand the difference here. Your body could not go on without doing this surgery and taking these drugs so you took your commitment o your game to that next level, but what about people who don’t believe in surgeries and taking pain killer drugs, don’t you have a unfair advantage over them?

    I’m just over this whole thing. You guys are the best of the best and you are competators, I expect you to do your best to be your best its your nature. I don’t think it’s any worse than stealing signs or throwing spiballs ( hae you ever done that btw? )

    Finally how do you feel knowing that Hank Aaron and Willie Mays took methamphetamines ( they both have admitted this ) Did they not have a unfair advantage? should they have astrisks?

    Thanks for your time, and keep kicking butt !!!!

    I still think your performance during 2004 was legendary stuff man !

  87. Brett permalink
    February 8, 2009 11:29 pm

    The bottom line, many players used steroids. Many players who are potential hall of famers used steroids. The media keeps getting the dirt and the more negetive attention worse it gets. There needs to be less defamation of their image, MLB is supose to be a roll model for kids. I say drop all charges, stop telling the dirt for the “greater good”. Make all MLB players on the 104 list appaulogize for what they did. Drop the damn chargers on Bonds and Clemens, the US beter spend its money elseware! The MLB needs to take Responsibility for not testing! Do not blame the players for trying to get an edge if the league didn’t even test! All this is media hoopla, even if players did lie, thy were trying to protect their image, the image of the MLB, and looking out the the youth of our nation! Don’t punish them for doing so!

  88. Doctor X permalink
    February 8, 2009 11:32 pm

    Lou Dyer whines: Speak for yourself. The man is an insufferable blowhard will very little to add to any situation besides ignorant bluster and self-aggrandizement, which is the case here as well. I for one am very grateful for his performances over the years but I’m glad he’s gone and wish he would now just go away along with his lying president.

    Yet he reads and contributes to his blog.

    Curious.

    –J.D.

  89. Mike permalink
    February 8, 2009 11:34 pm

    One other thing of note, 103 players tested positive in 2003 but how many where taking HGH which is impossible to test through urine? My point is way more than 103 players were using in 2003. These are just the ones so arrogant they theought they could get away with using everything.

  90. February 8, 2009 11:40 pm

    Yeah…..

  91. February 8, 2009 11:42 pm

    Yeah the thing is that I would tend to agree – except I don’t think it can be legally done?

    Not even sure if the Union and MLB came together and agreed on it -if it would be legal to release the names?

    Would be cool if people just came clean. First big guy to do it on their own and lead the way could be seen as a bit of a hero, but it won’t happen/

  92. Vipul permalink
    February 8, 2009 11:43 pm

    Shut up Curt Schilling!! You frekin took steriods! You got a big mouth!! Your stupid and a hater. Stay shut you trash you cheat with steriods!

  93. February 8, 2009 11:55 pm

    Curt, I believe you did not use steroids as you say. You are a great pitcher and should be in the Hall of Fame. But, the average fan that I talk with say “they all use something”. You players that are clean need to man up and cooperate fully with trying to clean this mess up. I know it would be hard because after all your fellow players are a brotherhood, but baseball needs some honest people to step up to the plate and tell it like it is and not be afraid of being a snitch. If you are not guilty then you wouldn’t be a snitch. A snitch is in trouble and then tells what he knows to get out of trouble. With the way things are now you are tainted because you played during this era. Be known not only as a great player, but as a great man.

  94. Miracles permalink
    February 9, 2009 12:05 am

    Curt you stole 8 million dollars last year and never suited up, proably knew it too before you stole it….talk about how your a thief curt. curt just shut your mouth for once

  95. February 9, 2009 12:27 am

    You’re the man, Curt!

  96. Madduxforever permalink
    February 9, 2009 12:41 am

    What the hell does Mr. Schillings political views have to do with A-Roid testing positive? Bush haters go home! Your savior has been in office for over 2 weeks now– All is well in the world now, isnt it?!? Oh yeah, welcome back to reality.

  97. WARDELLIOTT permalink
    February 9, 2009 12:42 am

    I THINK THIS REPORT ABOUT A-ROD JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT A YOUNG JR. GRIFFEY IS THE GREATEST BALLPLAYER OF THIS GENERATION.THE KID DID IT ALL WITH A PURE SWING AND A GREAT HITTERS EYE. UNTIL HIS INJURIES STARTED TO OCCUR IN 2000 HE WAS THE GREATEST PLAYER OF THIS GENERATION HANDS DOWN,AND NOW AMID ALL THE STEROID EVIDENCE HE MUST BE CONSIDERED THE BEST POWER HITTER IN THE LAST 30 YEARS.I ONLY PRAY SOME TEAM CAN SIGN HIM SO HE CAN CONTINUE HIS STORIED CARRER AND FINISH IT WITH DIGNITY.

  98. socalsam permalink
    February 9, 2009 12:55 am

    a-rod cheated on his wife, the person he is supposed to love for richer/poorer sickness/health etc etc etc, and you guys are shocked he cheated in a game..all these guys do steriods/hgh..think about all the honest minor league guys that did not get their chance b/c the guy ahead of them cheated, that is the biggest story…oh and ya..just wait til it comes out with NBA guys…there is a guy in miami who sure has come back from an injury pretty strong this year, IT’S EVERYWHERE!

  99. February 9, 2009 1:00 am

    My thoughts on baseball and steroids….Hopefully before I get blasted, keep in mind I love to write with a snitch of sarcasm….

    With so much talk of baseball and our stars taking illegal drugs, I felt I needed to put my thoughts to paper…

    Brian McNamee looks like a rat-weasel sort of charachter…I wouldn’t trust him any further than I could throw a syringe…But then again, the evidence against the Rocket looks pretty overwhelming…This is what happens when a bunch of rats are all struggling to get away from the cat….

    How about this for a scenario? Roger was just minding his own business, bent over and drying off from his post game shower, when McNamee came up from behind and goosed him….right in the cheeks….with a syringe. When Roger turned around and said “what the heck was that?”, McNamee answered…”Oh just a little B-12 in your butt!” Roger said with a smile “you could have at least bought me a drink first!”. Poor Roger, being from the south and a very simple man, would accept this explanation as fact. Then, years later, when McNamee needed some cash, he would bring out the used needles and wave them proudly around the courtroom. Why, I even think McNamee may have goosed Roger’s wife too!

    And another thought, these things that McNamee claims are steroids really do not do anything to improve an athletes skills. Just look at the “Knobber”, Chuck Knoblauch. Why after getting his Christmas goose from McNamee his career fell into the toilet even quicker than ever. Shooting up that boy’s buttocks was one of the biggest wastes of a good steroid than ever! I am glad to hear that Knobber is now a recluse in some small town. He claims it’s for privacy when the truth is that no one could stand him as a person and thats why he lives alone…He’s a pile.

    Back to the “Artful Roger”…Maybe the Rocket has buns of steel and while he was lifting weights one day, McNamee came up from behind and let him have it. Roger never felt a thing but from that day forward saw his pitching performance go thru the ceiling! He of course, felt it was from lifting weights, while Rat Face McNamee sat in the corner with a crooked smile on his face….

    And poor, poor Alex Rodriguez. I really do not think home runs were the real reason he needed steroids. MaDonna was too much for him. But, after using the illegal substances, his junk shrunk and now even “The Material Girl” doesn’t want to be around him…

    I don’t know if these are your feelings, but they are mine. I say we all start over with a new league and new players. To make it more interesting, I say that I should be the first player picked in the draft and be allowed to play left field for the Boston Red Sox. Then and only then will baseball be returned to what is was meant to be….

  100. February 9, 2009 1:03 am

    What an amazing piece of writing…Whoever is behind this writing is a talent….I hope these works are observed by many across the land!

  101. Frank permalink
    February 9, 2009 1:11 am

    I’m amazed everyone is instantly trashing A-Rod because of a single positive test six years ago. Steriods don’t transform average performers into superstars with a single injection. He didn’t just suddenly bulk up and start tearing it up like many other well known steriod users.

    All we have is a leaked report from one test and already people are demanding that Alex not be considered for the Hall. Talk about over-reacting.

  102. Vermillion permalink
    February 9, 2009 1:28 am

    My prediction is that this story is BS. I have come to this conclusion based on several observations.

    1) Apparently Roberts has a book coming out in May. Who is the book on? Alex Rodriguez.

    2) Didn’t Roberts write some articles about Duke Lacrosse players as well? How that come out? Oh yeah, the allegations against them were false.

    3) I also watched the Costas interview with Roberts and found it interesting that she would not name her sources, which is normal, but would not even comment on where they came from (i.e., Players Union, MLB, DA’s office, Federal Gov’t, etc.). Essentially, this is all coming from one person, Selena Roberts, six years after the fact, right before spring training of 2009 and a week after the Joe Torre book. And if 1) is accurate, then that is even more damning to her story.

    4) Additionally, in her interview with Costas she appeared to contradict herself. She stated that four independent sources told her that he failed. He later asks her if there was any additional evidence that proves he has failed a test since then. Her answer was that there is no hard evidence to show he has failed a test since. Furthermore, she states that we took into account the clubhouse presence at the time he was at Texas, with the like of Palmiero, I-Rod, Juan Gon, etc. Okay, either you are reporting based on facts, hearsay, or speculation. It appears she has reported this story on the latter two rather than the former. She stated she showed her “evidence” to A-Rod on Thursday at The U’s gym. I’m sorry, but her evidence is simply someone stated you failed a drug test in 2003. That is not evidence and would not stand up in a court of law. And while A-Rod’s rights are apparently trampled on as a player and a citizen if this is true and was leaked as reported, she can stand behind the first amendment to protect her sources and we just have to accept this as the truth just because SI report it?

    The goal of the media is sell newspapers and ad time and the best way to do that is to have breaking news. So a second tier writer breaks this story with four independent sources that up until this time have never come forward before? Wow, four independent sources and NONE of them have ever wanted to sell their stories before? Is there any evidence except for this reported story? I’m sorry, I have to call BS on this one unless I see evidence to the contrary or MLB or the MLBPA or A-Rod comes out and states he failed I do not believe this for a second. And no, I am not a Yankee homer or an A-Rod fan. If I were A-Rod I would sue her and SI for libel and force them to show actual evidence instead of “four” independent sources whom up until this story broke kept their collective mouths shut. I think she maybe has one source, if that, and the rest is speculation and all of it is hearsay.

    Now the true question is, if these allegation are indeed untrue, what will happen? I believe his legacy will still be in question because some dumbass reporter trying to make a name for themselves just reported a false story about him. What happens to the reporter? Who knows, she will probably end up on Sports Reporters giving her meaningless drivel as usual. Show some actual evidence or shut up.

  103. Yankee Dynasty permalink
    February 9, 2009 1:45 am

    I enjoy reading your responses to other players, but still no reference to you doing something dishonest in signing a contract that you didn’t fulfill, why didn’t you give the money back, or donate all 8 million to a charity in the name of the Red Sox, I feel what you did was theft.

  104. Doctor X permalink
    February 9, 2009 2:02 am

    Someone give Vipul some warm milk.

    He is having “issues.”

    –J.D.

  105. Doctor X permalink
    February 9, 2009 2:04 am

    WARDELLIOTT DISENGAGE THE SHIFT KEY since shouting makes you appear silly.

  106. Chris Duncan permalink
    February 9, 2009 4:52 am

    These are a few thoughts I have on the subject.

    1. Hitters who were juiced undoubtedly faced pitchers who were juiced as well. This somewhat negates the ‘advantage’ over everyone else these superhuman steroid injected hitters had.

    2. Many of the players linked to using steroids were never even minor stars in the big leagues. Hell, many never even started a game in the big. Steroids do not make someone into a great player or even really enhance their play that much.

    3. The unknowing bliss enjoyed by sports fans for years will one day come crashing down. The ‘scandal’ will go far beyond even the 104 players who failed drug tests. That number can probably easily be doubled for MLB, then when you include the NFL, NBA, etc., sports as we know it and many great seasons we have enjoyed are suddenly going to be questioned.

    I for one do not really care. If the ‘corruption’ goes nearly as far as I think it does, players who were juiced faced plenty of opponents who were as well and in general it was the talent, not the drugs that made one player beat the other.

  107. Mark permalink
    February 9, 2009 5:01 am

    I completely agree with everything you said in this article… If releasing the names puts this whole black eye of baseball at least on the road to being ‘in the past’ instead of ‘something new every few months’. As it is, there’s a new revelation a few times a year about past and current players and the Roid Era is there again slapping us in the face, to say nothing of the horrible PR for baseball itself.

    Dbacks fan since they moved here. Thanks for the great memories, Curt.

  108. February 9, 2009 6:31 am

    Curt, I am wondering who gave Gene Orza the info about the upcoming drug tests. It seems like only MLB would have this info so they may have been part of this situation if they were feeding info to Orza. The thing that makes no sense whatsover is why steroids were banned in 1991 but players weren’t tested till about 2004. What were Bud Selig and Don Fehr doing all these years (Selig became acting commissioner in 1992) while steroids laced homers were flying out of the park.

    Letting this go on gave the hitters an advantage over pitchers like you who were using their God give ability to get batters out. Balls that would have been long outs started going over the fences forcing ERA’s of pitchers to rise.

    It is time for Selig and Fehr to walk away from the game. They have done enough damage already. They were the enablers that let the steroids aided players win MVP’s they wouldn’t have won without steroids. How many players like Mike Greenwell and Frank Thomas have been cheated out of MVP’s because of the cheaters?

    Roger Maris and Hank Aaron both lost their records to cheaters. They would still be holding those records today if not for Selig and Fehr. More focus needs to be placed on these two men who let the records of baseball be skewered beyond recognition. All of this would have been prevented if they had instituted drug testing in the early 90’s instead of waiting 13 years to penalize those who used steroids.

    It is time for a neutral commissioner who is not so tied to the whims and wishes of the owners who got rich during the steroids era.

  109. Tru permalink
    February 9, 2009 7:15 am

    An awful lot of misinformation here…

    1.
    “However, it is a fact that between 5 and 7 percent of the major league players who participated in anonymous survey testing in 2003 tested positive for performance enhancing substances. Those figures almost certainly understated the actual level of use since players knew they would be tested at some time during the year, the use of human growth hormone was not detectable in the tests that were conducted, and, as many have observed, a negative test does not necessarily mean that a player has not been using performance enhancing substances.”

    ~ Mitchell Report, Page 10

    2.
    In a letter this past July, Donald Fehr writes to Henry Waxman and Tom Davis, as to several questions they posed to the MLBPA concerning the pilot test program Curt and other players underwent in 2003. Here is an excerpt of that letter (page 2), which will hopefully add some clarity.

    “The first testing performed under our 2002 Joint Drug Agreement (JDA) with
    Major League Baseball was “survey testing” done in 2003. Under the terms of the JDA (voted on and ratified by the players) these tests were to be both confidential and anonymous; no one was ever supposed to know who tested positive. Instead, the results were to be tabulated and if the number of positives exceeded a specific threshold (5%), identified “program testing,” with disciplinary consequences, was to begin the next year. As you know, the 2003 tests yielded a nnmber of positives slightly above the 5% threshold, and as a direct consequence of that result program testing commenced in 2004. The results of the 2004 program testing were as previously reported to you.

    http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20080703114405.pdf

  110. February 9, 2009 7:22 am

    Curt, why dont you come clean. The others are, Schilling, Randy Johnson, PAPI, Veritek, Trot Nixon, Piazza etc…

  111. February 9, 2009 8:18 am

    If you ever decide to stop blogging Curt, I hope you’ll reconsider and/or fight that urge.

    People have been cheating in baseball for years. We know that for certain. I’m sorry that this type of cheating has to call the validity of careers into question. ARod’s career is gonna get compared to Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays, etc. You can’t compare ARod against those guys on a level field because we know for certain now that ARod had an advantage.

    What about building a wing on to the Hall of Fame for “The Asterisks”??

  112. HUnit101 permalink
    February 9, 2009 8:41 am

    What was A-Rod supposed to say to Katie Couric? “Yeah I used steroids.” I don’t think so. No one in their right mind would have admitted it. And beating around the bush would have implied this sooner. Obviously he thought the results would never get out, as do the other 103 players that are listed as positive steroid users. And I’m sure had all of them been sitting in A-Rods place, they would have said the same thing. No one is dumb enough to incriminate themselves… not even A-Rod.

  113. Amy permalink
    February 9, 2009 8:53 am

    Stephen-

    Pete Rose BET on baseball. He didn’t cheat to put up his numbers. They’ve kept him out of the HOF for betting. His numbers stand because he earned them. And since they kept Pete Rose out of the HOF for betting- all the ones that cheated to put up the numbers, should be banned. Period. No asterisk – banned. And their names should be published. Look at A-Fraud, how many kids idolized a cheater. Look at what it’s teaching our children. There’s only one way to make the point – if you cheated – you’re out.

  114. DQuil permalink
    February 9, 2009 9:38 am

    All one need to is look through the different comments on this post to see the catch-22 that baseball is in and will be in for the foreseeable future.

    Even if the 104 names are released, then what? People will stop asking questions and casting suspicion? What if the report missed certain steroid users? How can a single report be taken as the end-all, be-all? It certainly won’t be.

    The label “steroid-user” is close to that of “communist” during the Cold War or “terrorist” during the Bush era– anyone can be one, no matter how innocent you look. It’s a trap that taints everyone. Guilt by association? That is what steroids is; that is their real effect.

    This effect should not be limited to baseball. In the end, if we let it, it will taint every other sport as well, every achievement, everything.

    We do, however, have another option, perverse as it sounds. We can simply come to ACCEPT that players were and are using these drugs, that it is NOT, in fact, cheating. There is no way to truly establish what cheating is when you do not really know who is cheating. The “steroids era” creates an impossible purity that no one can live up to. It is we, the fans, who have to adjust our expectations about what athletes are doing in their preparation for performance.

    We also must accept, as fans, that the institutions such as MLB that we have allowed ourselves to be entertained by have quite publicly not been serious about checking for this stuff. We accepted that at the time, so why now are we suddenly so much holier than our former selves? Why is guilt limited to the players? We aren’t really that stupid, are we?

    I’m sure that there are plenty of gray areas here, things that could be changed. But I can see where all this logic is going, and I know the solution. If we lose our pathetic need for our athletes to be utterly perfect world leader models for all humanity, and accept that they struggle within an insanely competitive field that demands any edge they can possibly get, we might be able to once again allow ourselves to appreciate what they do, juiced or not.

  115. James permalink
    February 9, 2009 9:44 am

    I totally agree with Mr. Curt Schilling , he has done throughout his on field and off field comments, stand by what you say, and your integrity will never come into question. If you make a mistake or lie, own up and move on. We will all be stuck in the past with tainted records and lies unless the whole story come out once and for all, then baseball again can be the game we enjoy without the question who is cheating and who is truly talented. I used quotes from 38 in the past, as I served in the US military, and I always list him as a true leader, not always saying what is popular, but always a stand up guy. I hope he received the flag I sent years ago! Thanks for being direct!

  116. Steve permalink
    February 9, 2009 9:45 am

    I think most of the players prior to 2004 were using something. You’re all guilty! SO who really cares? Do steroida explain A-Rod’s numbers since then?

    BTW, Curt, who anointed you spokeman for baseball anyway? Most baseball fans think you are a loudmouth and we wish you would just go away already.

  117. Brianne D permalink
    February 9, 2009 10:04 am

    Thank you Schill for being a real baseball player.
    Winning MVP does not mean that they are the best baseball player of the time. Just the year. I wonder if he wasn’t taking the drugs if he would still get MVP.. hmm.

  118. February 9, 2009 10:05 am

    As someone who has played the game all my life, it is sad to see so many of the people I grew up watching and trying to build my game the way they attacked it every day. If Pete Rose cheated by betting, and is now black listed from the game of baseball, how come everyone who is found to have used Steriods also black listed.

    Guilty = banned

    Also – why is no one concerned with Football? The media really did not cover Dana Stubbelfield’s report this week…. Are they next?

  119. Ryan permalink
    February 9, 2009 10:12 am

    I think stealing $8 million is way worse than taking steroids.

  120. JJ Redick permalink
    February 9, 2009 10:17 am

    Curt – I seem to recall that when the anonymous testing was first being broached, the union balked. One of the reasons, stated by you, was that the test would never remain anonymous, and MLB couldn’t be trusted with this info. You hit that nail on the head.

  121. February 9, 2009 10:21 am

    Be careful what you wish for. There is a overweight DH who plays in the Hub who has been breaking down yearly since he came off the “stuff”

  122. ChrisSoxFan permalink
    February 9, 2009 10:36 am

    Hey, Curt! Nice job correcting yourself in the blog. Perhaps now you know some of the challenges the media face. Humbling isn’t it?

  123. Jay permalink
    February 9, 2009 10:40 am

    IT’S EVERYWHERE!

    Alex Rodriguez, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte and Jason Giambi all ousted for steroids. Does anyone else find it funny they are all Yankees? Granted, Barry Bonds played for the Giants but what about and what if players like (Just throwing some names out there)David Ortiz, Kevin Youkilis, Mike Lowell, Manny Ramirez and Josh Beckett are of the 103???? My guess is baseball fans will look at this issue differently at that point….In the mean time, some fans like me, have KNOWN this has been an issue since the early 1990’s…….Amazing to me is that the other 103 players have not been leaked.

  124. David Allan permalink
    February 9, 2009 10:56 am

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/121629-i-want-the-truth-but-can-we-handle-the-truth

    Just my thoughts on A-Rod and baseball in general, my frustrated thoughts. Luckily for all those that mess it, it’s only them that is the problem. As frustrating as it may be, I LOVE THIS GAME!! Thanks for being you Curt, you allow me a little bit of faith that what I am seeing I can believe was hard work and dedication.

  125. yankeefanalways permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:04 am

    hey curt its pretty cool to think u might actually read this. as a yankee diehard i never wanted to believe arod cheated.i probably should have known better.like nixon its not the crime its the coverup. there is always a smoking gun.how could anyone think unless they manufactured the drugs themselves that they would never be caught.i remember clintons denials and could only think how crazy he was to think he wouldnt be caught. she was in her early 20s and with the president of course she would tell someone. i guess the need to be the best for arod was just as great as clintons need to get off with a young girl. more names will surface for different reasons. these players are not rocket scientists and put their trust in the underbelly of society. brian macnamee will write a book. radomski has one in the works . there are more snakes under rocks who will try to capitalize on this. the players union will fight to the finish to hide the other 103 but as a fan of the game i think even if i had those names i would still be skeptical because of undetectable substances and the fact that not all players were tested only a sample group

  126. Jimmy permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:21 am

    The Couric interview is very interesting. Watch his face as he says “no”. His face twitches not just once but twice. First is an expression of somewhat gleeful contempt and the second is an expression of fear and guilt. The guy is clearly lying in that interview and it’s pretty obvious.

    My guess is that he started juicing when he came to the Rangers (he somehow played at least 161 games in each of his three seasons there after missing at least 10 for the two seasons before). I agree with Curt, go release every name so that we can know and appreciate the clean ones.

  127. yankeefanalways permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:26 am

    my advice to arod. tell the truth the whole truth.he was blessed with amazing gifts as far as being an athlete was concerned. he probably could have excelled at any sport. i rememember him when he was 18 or 19 and he was just grace on a baseball field . teaming with griffey he had a prescence and the tools to be huge without cheating. in a perfect world without greed and ego he would still be a mariner polishing up the rings he earned honestly with griffey and johnson

  128. yankeefanalways permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:30 am

    tell everything tell when you first used and what you took. give a timeline on all usage and give an accounting of your numbers while juiced promise you will never do so again. apologize dont rationalize. i wont hold my breath

  129. TBirdinKY permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:31 am

    You have to blame the Commish the most, I have worked out all my life and you can tell who is on roids and who isn’t. I don’t buy when Baseball says we never heard of steroids or what they do. I remember people complaining about the German and Russian men an women in the Olympics in the 60’s taking roids. So for Selig to say they never heard of them is absurd. They let it hppen for more REVENUE. If looking at Canseco could clearly see he was on the juice, ditto for Bonds.

  130. Jim permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:42 am

    Does it make a difference if the other 103 are named?

    Maybe some “suspects” who are actually innocent should say whether it makes a difference.

    On Saturday, I said to my wife.. the biggest shock to me would be if Curt Schilling were on the list. Almost anyone else would not be a surprise. (well… maybe Tim Wakefield)

    Guilt by association. Does that mean anything to, say… Trot Nixon, if he is clean? I am a HUGE Trot fan… but I assume he did steroids. Nomar? One of my all-time favorite players. I WANT him to be innocent. But I think he did steroids. Does he care what I and thousands like me think, if he has truly been honest to his fans? How about fan favorites who were not “stars”? Daubach??? Does he care if fans assume he did steroids, if he did not???

    Other than Curt & Wake, anyone on the 2004 Championship team could be on that list… and it would not surprise me! Does that matter to any of them??

    How about some of those guys that ARE on the list come out and admit it BEFORE the list is published… because you know it will be. Be a man! (even though you are paid millions to be a kid forever!)

    Thanks, Curt

    Jim

  131. Jake Kenney permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:56 am

    Why don’t you mind your own business. You are not a hall-of-fame pitcher. Your numbers and your mouth do not reflect baseball. You are opinionated and need to just watch out for your precious Red Sox.

  132. satch permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:56 am

    Hey Curt,

    Your irrelevant so shut up already.

  133. Brouhaha permalink
    February 9, 2009 12:03 pm

    You’re all full of it starting with Curt. Curt, you’ve been in baseball a lot of years. You’ve had teammates who juiced. You heard the rumors, you saw the evidence right before your eyes. You watched your union stall and then you jumped up and ran to Congress when the government put on the squeeze. Frankly, the public is dumb and the media knows it and so throws a couple of nuggets at them every now and then. Look at the Mitchell report. The only thing you can take from that is that a wide cross-section of players were using — journeymen, superstars, busts and every single position was well represented. It is also clear that the owners and managers knew and yet you expect me to believe that some players had no idea? Screw you. It’s called the steroids era. Every single one of you is guilty. The only thing that galls me is the amount of hubris involved. These guys were so rampant that they were using detectable steroids and some still are. Let’s be honest, the testing system is a joke. Go see how tennis players are tested. Even soccer players in the major leagues around the world have much, much tougher standards. It sucks to assume guilt by association but in this case it’s just too easy. You Curt, are a hypocrite. All of MLB is.

  134. Joe D permalink
    February 9, 2009 12:18 pm

    Curt,
    Big fan from back in your Philly days.

    The Union said “Information and documents relating to the results of the 2003 MLB testing program are both confidential and under seal by court orders. We are prohibited from confirming or denying any allegation about the test results of any particular player[s] by the collective bargaining agreement and by court orders. Anyone with knowledge of such documents who discloses their contents may be in violation of those court orders.”

    You’ve said that you now support the release of all 104 names. Why didn’t players such as yourself, who didn’t use PED’s, try to get test results published back in 2003? After all, there were more clean players than cheaters were’t there?

    Thanks Curt.

  135. Nate permalink
    February 9, 2009 12:25 pm

    What I dont understand is WHy anyone would CARE WHAT YOUR OPINION is Curt. Your a moron who doesnt know when to shut his mouth. You dont play anymore and your washed up. GO AWAY!!!!

  136. February 9, 2009 1:07 pm

    I agree 100% that the names need to be released

  137. Curt with an N permalink
    February 9, 2009 1:08 pm

    Curt, you need to admit your PED use now on the blog, we all know you did it. Just admit it now and save yourself the hassle.

  138. Mike permalink
    February 9, 2009 1:21 pm

    Curt if you really are clean you and the other clean players should volunteer to have your dna or blood samples taken and frozen so years from now they can check it and verify you were not on anything. I believe hair samples will reveal all drugs ever taken.
    Just a thought. If I was innocent I would do it.

  139. February 9, 2009 1:30 pm

    I love Curt Schilling’s straightforward opinions and on the Steroids issue he is right on the mark. Would that Baseball (Commissioner, Union, players and fans) took such an honest assessment.)

    For my part, the performances in Major League Baseball since the early to mid 1980’s are all suspect. This clouds some great players and teams including some personal favorites: Edgar Martinez of the Seattle Mariners and the 2001 Mariners team plus the 2004 and 2007 Boston Red Sox. Obviously, only Curt Schilling and a few “oldtimers” who have the guts to speak up (Bob Feller is one who comes to mind) have the real best interests of our National Pastime at heart. The wolves in charge of the chicken coop are all fearful of destroying the image they have created.

    Thank you, Mr. Schilling!

  140. February 9, 2009 1:33 pm

    “My prediction is that this story is BS. I have come to this conclusion based on several observations.”

    1) Who better to thoroughly investigate a player than the person writing a book on him. Roberts writing a book about ARod doesn’t equal Roberts lying about ARod.

    2) It’s fair to say 99% of the sports writers during the Duke Lacrosse scandal wrote articles against those men. So every one of those writers is to not be believed?

    3) The men who wrote “Game of Shadows” didn’t reveal their sources either. You don’t go biting the hand that feeds you. Again, doesn’t take away any credibility from the story.

    4) How is telling Costas that four independent sources telling her ARod failed the test, and then her saying that she doesn’t know about tests BEFORE or AFTER 2003 contradict what she is saying? It doesn’t.

    She gave ARod an opportunity before this story came out to say “Nope. I didn’t do it, there’s been some mistake.”. Instead he told her to talk to the union.

    That speaks volumes.

  141. Rian Alden permalink
    February 9, 2009 1:42 pm

    I agree with babe Ruth on this Curt, you were very outspoken against the media, but you were pretty silent when people came around to really do something about this problem. I think you and other clean players could have done alot more to rid our sport of this cancer.

  142. Louise Groulx permalink
    February 9, 2009 1:44 pm

    I’m a bit conflicted about all of this.
    Some drugs are ok and some are not. I think that if they are illegal or ‘banned’ drugs, then the consequence should be expulsion and/or arrest, PERIOD. However, other drugs that affect performance, are supported in every day sport. Who’s to say, that using narcotics to mask pain and allow players to play past thier injuries is any worse than using performance enhancing drugs. Both would be illegal on the street and both seem to support the “perform or die” attitude that teams require today. I submit a bloody sock as evidence.

  143. Mikeyboy permalink
    February 9, 2009 1:59 pm

    This is crazy…another denial? Maybe I am an average person who holds an average job and does his part to do an honest days work, but correct me if I am wrong in 2003 Canseco, Sierra and Palmero after the smoke cleared it was proven they all did steroids? now wasnt A-rod on that team? hmmmm I agree totally with you Curt,name all the names and be the better men and admit your mistakes, as a die hard sports fan it pains me to see someone that has a chance to play a game and make a living for it, have little kids look up to you and you have to cheat and lie? what message does this send to the young fans? In order to get ahead in life cheat and lie and you will be fine!
    The term hero gets thrown around way to much today, nothing heroic about doing a job you are paid to and trained to do, especially if you know the risks and rewards associated with it. What would be heroic today is somone haveing the guts or courage to admit they made a lapse in judgment.

  144. Colin Thomas permalink
    February 9, 2009 2:03 pm

    What @ that loser who painted his sock red during the world series to get attention for homself?

  145. Texas Baseball Fan permalink
    February 9, 2009 2:25 pm

    As a fan of the game, I think I represent most real fans when we say we wish this whole topic, particularly of past transgressions, would just go away. Of course at the same time, we want the game to be clean now/forward and forevermore.

    I think the best way to do this is to put all of the cards (or Rangers, Phillies, Padres, Yankees, etc) on the table. Here is a list of everyone that tested positive, and acknowledge that there were probably even MORE. From a Players Union standpoint (and perhaps baseball in general) just make it seem that this was a time of rampant use (think a ‘free’ society and drug use in the 60’s). A time that we are not necessarily proud of, but it happened.

    By condeming the entire era of baseball, you then somewhat legitmize the numbers, as least comparitively to each other, and then we can move beyond this…even as players come up for the Hall of Fame selection. (which I hate the fact that many of our ‘heroes’ are being beaten up at that time as well)

    The second plank of moving forard following the players being listed, is for a universal message of acknowledgement and plea for forgiveness from the players. As has been mentioned many times prior, Andy Pettite went this route and most people have forgiven him. Roger Clemens and others have not, and have been damned in the court of public opinion.

    For those who love the game, lets get this out in the open…then in to the past…then make sure it never happens again.

  146. Jim Conn permalink
    February 9, 2009 3:45 pm

    I think all records should stop with Hank Aaron and Roger Maris. Anything that happened or that happens since then is suspect and should be so noted. Damn those millionaire cheats who ruined the game.

  147. Jim Wright of Concord, Ca. permalink
    February 9, 2009 5:09 pm

    Sorry Sir, But I don’t consider “Manning Up” after the fact of being caught. I also don’t believe he was being honest. How could he not know what he was putting in his body. . . And if he felt the pressure when he signed the Texas contract, than what pressure did he feel, when he signed his first contract in the world’s largest media market. Sorry, but saying I’m sorry after getting caught; just doesn’t do it for a lot of us.

  148. Bob C permalink
    February 9, 2009 5:34 pm

    Guess who is, again, the only guy telling the truth in all this? He may be a freak show now, boxing Danny Bonaduce, but nobody has proven Jose Canseco wrong on anything.

    ARod deserves whatever he gets; but the story is alot bigger than just him. The league and the union may be quite content to let Arod be their martyr; but unless and until they name names….all of them…they are every bit as complicit as the players who juiced. There’s alot of ballplayers who won’t be sleeping too well until they decide what they’re going to do.

  149. February 9, 2009 5:43 pm

    To Nate(and others who know who you are):
    I could say the same to you. Why should we care what your opinion is? We are having a discussion here about a specific topic,and not using this forum to trash Curt. Furthermore,if you dislike what Curt says so much,why do you bother to go on to HIS blog to read what HE has to say. You do not care what he says yet you take the time to read it. I,for one,enjoy not only what Curt has to say but what the others have to say as well. As I said,this is a discussion that we are having and you have no place here. You are the one who should be going away!
    Guess you missed the posting that Curt had about it being HIS blog-perhaps you should read that one!
    D

  150. Don From CT permalink
    February 9, 2009 6:23 pm

    Just wanted to say in response to a comment above that I’m in a union myself and just because you are doesn’t mean you turn a blind eye to illegal acts that others do or stay silent to them….Although I’m a mailman not a baseball player If i saw any of my co-workers do something that we have been told is not acceptable during work i would have a problem with that…speaking to them first would be my first avenue….so what I think is the players around these cheaters should start talking up……especially seeing that the people they are hurting is themselves staying silent…..Its hurting the reputation of the game and hurting the records of the ones who are doing the game naturally….at this point i’m more apt to be impressed at a little league game that at a major league game where who knows what they are on!!!

  151. Bill the Butcher permalink
    February 9, 2009 6:55 pm

    I’m a lifelong Yankees fan who has never quite warmed up to A-Roid. He comes off as a totally arrogant douchebag, who doesn’t perform when you need him to, but I did respect the fact that he was an awesome all around player due to hard work, ability and passion for the game who did not need any performance drugs. As others stated, he was the player who was supposed to clear away the home run steroid records of the past 10 years. I’m disappointed, but not too surprised considering what a narcissist he is.

  152. Greg C permalink
    February 9, 2009 7:35 pm

    “And before anyone asks, I’ll make it clear: My name will not appear on any lists of positive tests. I’ve never tested positive for steroids or HGH, and I’ve never taken steroids or HGH in my life, ever. You don’t need to call the union, or an agent to verify that.”

    No offense Curt, but no matter how much I, or anyone, believes in your honesty or respects what you say, how is it possible for such a statement (from any ballplayer) to be anything but hollow?

    Bonds, A-Rod, McGwire, Palmeiro, Clemens, etc. Of all the players who have been caught, or assumed and all but proven guilty, which of them hasn’t come out with some similar denial before the proof hit the press?

    and yeah, somebody probably said the same thing in the previous >150 comments, but I’m not reading through them all.

  153. Mike permalink
    February 9, 2009 11:09 pm

    Curt,

    Rather than put a cloud on all the players of this so called era, I think releasing the names will also show how incredible the stats of players as yourself were competing in this environment. My father used to say to me as a kid, “Watch that Munson…that’s how you play the game.” I said the same to my son, pointing to you. Thanks

  154. February 10, 2009 6:56 am

    I respect you Curt for what you have done here in Boston and your career. But lay-off A-Rod. Look at the numbers away from the 3 years in Texas. The guy is still a pure power hitter. What’s done is done,let’s move on.

  155. Chris M permalink
    February 10, 2009 7:40 am

    Hey Curt,

    just wondered how it makes you feel to play alongside and against guys that may well be “doped” up? Does it ever make you question your love or value of the game?

  156. February 10, 2009 1:03 pm

    The fan voice on steroids has been muted by MLB. Our frightening “foam asterisk” was banned by the Dodgers. It was not allowed in Wrigley and several other teams had them confiscated. Does MLB have the right to ban these… is this a free speech issue? Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

  157. February 10, 2009 1:20 pm

    To #154, Ed:

    My suspicions are that A-Rod was probably on steroids before he left Seattle. Either that or his performance (given a less friendly Seattle ballpark – especially in 2000) was not enhanced all that much by drugs.

    His last year with the Mariners compared with his three at Texas:

    AB BB Runs Hits 2B-3B-HR RBI B.A. S.A.
    554100 134 175 34-2-41 132 .316 .606 at SEATTLE (2000)
    632 75 133 201 34-1-52 135 .318 .622 at Texas (2001)
    624 87 125 187 27-2-57 142 .300 .623 at Texas (2002)
    607 87 124 181 30-6-47 118 .298 .600 at Texas (2003)
    601 59 141 215 54-1-36 123 .358 .631 at SEATTLE (1996)

    For additional comparison, his best year with Seattle (1996, in the Kingdome) is provided.

    Purely anecdotal: I recall a very early A-Rod home run – perhaps it was his first. Although his swing seemed effortless, the ball just jumped off his bat ending up over the center field wall. It was an amazing sight to behold and Alex was just an 19/20-year-old kid.

    Enough is enough, however, and it is time Major League Baseball cleaned up its act. Clearly a Judge Landis-type (is Curt available?) is needed to restore confidence in the integrity of the game and its records. For my money, the records and record-makers for the era 1984 or so through 2008 are suspect.

    Cheaters hurt themselves, their competitors, the fans and the game. They ought not be rewarded for their actions.

  158. February 14, 2009 5:33 pm

    it seems to be all about competition, winning at all costs, so it’s hard to blame players that shoot up;

    is their job to be sports stars or is it to “play the game?”

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