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September 18, 2008

I read a post earlier, and started, well not started but continued to wonder how people can be so misinformed about a man or a platform as the poster was, in my opinion of course. So I sent the post to Senator McCain and this was what I received from an advisor to the McCain campaign. This is published with that persons permission.

The blog post:

Hey Curt,

Save the republican agenda speak for your millionaire cronies you associate with. Most of us are in an economic crisis. Inflation and tight budgets are things that dont affect you but do the rest of us. I am a union member with paid healthcare but still struggling to support my wife and two kids and plan for my retirement. John McCain wants to tax me for the health benefits I receive and cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans at the same time. He spits in the face of the working middle class worker. And the thought of his running mate becoming president is frightening. Lets see if the bozos who put Bush in twice are actually dumb enough to vote for 4 more years of his policies. Republicans are sending this country to hell in a handbasket. Im not saying Obama is a flawless candidate by any means, but the thought of an out of touch OLD man who wants war scares me even more

And the response I got back….

Here are the answers:

1. McCain does not want to raise taxes on anyone. He thinks the Obama plan to raise capital gains taxes or any other while we are in a recession is a “dumb idea”. Direct quote. Last week after criticizing McCain for months for wanting to keep the Bush tax cuts in place, Obama reversed himself and said he would leave them in place if the country was in a recession. Apparently Obama doesn’t understand we are in one.

Senator Obama has voted to raise taxes 94 times in his short time in the

Last week Obama said he wouldn’t raise taxes for anyone making less than 250k- who believes him? Why should we tax the small businesses and people who create jobs more than we tax this fellow?

On health care, only lucky guys like the writer get those great plans. The rest of America struggles. The McCain plan would end this unfairness and instead give every family a 5000 dollar tax Credit- cash in their pocket to buy a plan. This will make every consumer a price conscious shopper- if we don’t do that the price of health care will just continue to skyrocket. Inflation is at 2%- in healthcare it hasn’t been less than 8% per year for the past 5 years. It is not

Out of touch?
How about Obama saying the surge didn’t work and wouldn’t work?

How about Obama saying we should negotiate with our enemies directly?

Obama has never sponsored or passed one significant bipartisan piece of

Not once has he stood up to his own party. Not once.

Mccain has on many occasions- campaign finance, immigration, corruption- boeing
scandal, earmarks, etc.

84 Comments leave one →
  1. aj117 permalink
    September 18, 2008 10:34 pm


    Some of these arguments are valid, while others are simply not true, and its important to correct the record.

    Thanks in advance for reading this somewhat lengthy response, and I would very much appreciate your feedback.

    1) Obama has sponsored significant bipartisan legislation. Saying anything to the contrary is an absolute LIE. He sponsored a bill to track down and disarm many conventional weapons around the globe. His co-sponsor is Senator Lugar (R-IN).

    He also sponsored a significant ethics reform bill.

    2) Obama has taken on his own party. In Illinois, he proposed (and got the bill signed into a law) a bill that required criminal confession to be videotaped to prevent illegal coercion by violence. Both parties were against this one, and he convinced everyone it was the right thing to do. Democrats and Republicans did not want to appear soft on crime, but it was the right thing to do and he made everyone see that.

    3) Saying Obama voted to raise taxes 94 times is a cop out. Its not as if he proposed bills specifically to raise everyone’s taxes. Many of those bills are bills the offered tax cuts to the obscenely rich, or were filled with pork he didnt agree with, or the focus of the bill was fundamentally oppposed to his beliefs; all it would require was an amendment added to the bill that cut taxes or let a tax cut lapse and it counts as “voting against a tax cut”. If I was a senatar I could propose the “Fill the grand canyon with superglue bill” and include a .5% tax cut to the people of hawai” in committee, and anyone who votes against it can be labeled as “voting against a tax cut”.

    Curt, I really think you should correct the record on these. It is easy to verify, and these are terrible lies that is unfairly perpetuated by the Mccain campaign as well as some of the media that don’t bother to hold candidate’s feet to the fire. There are genuine, honest to G-d differences between the two candidates. There is no need to repeat these things that are simply NOT TRUE. We don’t need any help finding differences between the two candidates.

  2. bigunit3000 permalink
    September 18, 2008 10:54 pm

    Just a quick thought: Why does it matter if you stand up to your party? If your party ideals are what you truly believe in, then it makes all the sense in the world to stick with your party.

    Being a ‘maverick,’ most of the time, isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Most mavericks are crazy — it’s only the successful ones that you hear about.

  3. September 18, 2008 11:19 pm

    Rubbish – both sides of this conversation are nothing more than talking points. We keep escalating, speaking louder to each other thinking that the other person can’t hear us. I’m voting for Obama – but win or lose – I’ll be glad when the election is over.

  4. redlightgreen permalink
    September 18, 2008 11:19 pm

    Curt, since you’re so close with McCain’s advisers, how about finding out why his VP pick signed off on charging women for rape kits?

  5. ike6116 permalink
    September 18, 2008 11:44 pm

    Taxes on whom is the question. Raise taxes on Curt Schilling? The Ballplayer who makes millions a year because hundreds of thousands living on less than 60k / year are willing to tune NESN do so? Cool. Raise taxes on the aforementioned NESN watchers? not cool.

    McCain doesn’t want to raise taxes on either, Obama wants to raise taxes on you and frankly I think you can afford it especially because you owe your lively hood to the other ones mentioned.

  6. stopthelying permalink
    September 18, 2008 11:50 pm

    What a informative rebuttal. Republican talking points straight from the Campaign.

    Here’s actual information about the tax effect of the platforms of the two candidates:

    Why should so-called job creators pay more? Because they have more to give, and under the Bush Administration, their income has gone up, while everyone else’s has gone down.

    Or turn it around. Why does John McCain feel that someone making $30,000 a year should only get a 0.5% tax cut ($113, whoa!), while someone making 100X as much, $3,000,000 a year, should get a 4.4% cut (almost 9X more!) worth over a quarter of a million dollars? In a time of war? With a $400 BILLION deficit?

    I quote from that well-known liberal mouthpiece, the Washington Post:

    ‘Contrast this with McCain 2001, who said, quite correctly, “I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief.” Or McCain 2003, who called further tax cuts “irresponsible,” adding, “At a time of war, at a time of economic stagnation, at a time of rising national debt . . . one might expect our national leaders to pursue policies calling for shared sacrifice to achieve shared benefits. Regrettably, that is not the case.” Or McCain 2004, who said, “I voted against the tax cuts because of the disproportionate amount that went to the wealthiest Americans. I would clearly support not extending those tax cuts in order to help address the deficit.” ‘

    That’s the man you admire, but that’s not the man we see running for President, or the platform he proposes. People change. That great man, that maverick, is gone. What’s left is someone who is willing to trade it all in, every decency, every principle, to claim his last chance to become President. I’m sorry your loyalty to him has blinded you to the simple truth.

    I imagine I’d feel the same way about you if you one day hire CHB to campaign for your election to the Hall Of Fame.

  7. heyitstodd permalink
    September 19, 2008 1:02 am

    “Obama reversed himself and said he would leave them in place if the country was in a recession. Apparently Obama doesn’t understand we are in one.”

    Obama doesn’t understand this? Which candidate, until his 180-degree turn yesterday, repeatedly stated that the “fundmanentals of the economy are sound”? Hint: Not Obama.

    “The McCain plan would end this unfairness and instead give every family a 5000 dollar tax Credit- cash in their pocket to buy a plan. ”

    Yes, but he does indeed want to tax health benefits; I guess McCain’s advisor forgot that part.

    As for “voting to raise taxes 94 times”, here’s the itemized debunking of that crap

    Finally, you state that you “wonder how people can be so misinformed about a man or a platform as the poster was”. Who was it who posted information about the Democratically-controlled Congress without knowing or bothering to check out the fact that it was completely false? Hint: he wears #38.

  8. finalword2008 permalink
    September 19, 2008 1:03 am

    I Couldn’t Figure out how else if this even will do it to get the word out to curt schilling. How is it that u can verbally assault anybody that was formally your teammate. Manny Ramirez one of the best baseball players in MLB history yea he may given teammates problems and given management headaches, but Curt u have the nerve to do it when he is not your teammate anymore thats speaks words for the kinda man you are “level of disrespect to teammates and people was unfathomable.” at least he did it while on your team nobody but u and others on the red sox knows what goes on in the clubhouse but u to come out and speak against the new york fans on how they act as fans and how manny acted in the clubhouse you doing what you are doing shows you can drop to the same level as him. As for the new york fans if the situation is turned around in any case etc. Derek Jeter getting hurt or A- Rod going down I am sure human nature as a fan Boston wouldn’t be so caring. Thats what a becomes of a rivalry. Human nature is to root against your side and any crippling the other side takes giving your side the advantage is a plus and you root for. Thats just how humans are it would be the same if the Jets won every because of Farve and they were beating the crap out of the Pats. If Farve went down then the New England fans would be going nuts. So instead of opening your mouth and spending all of your time yapping about this fan or that extremely gifted baseball player, get back and rehab from that surgery you would think that would be more important its just you seem bored find a hobby.

  9. justautilityinfielder permalink
    September 19, 2008 1:10 am

    Palin doesn’t matter because there’s no chance of her becoming president. McCain had a health exam a few months and was declared to be in great health. He has a better than 90% chance of fulfilling his term if elected.

    Re: standing up to your party. He means standing up to corrupt members of your party. Obama could have stood up to Charles Rangel but didn’t.

    The thing that bothers me is that McCain claims to want small government yet he proposes a big government solution to the “problem” of global warming. Plus, according to the Farmers Almanac, we will enter a global cooling period for the next fifty years. I wish I was as connected as Curt is so I could figure out what the deal was.

  10. mrclutch34do permalink
    September 19, 2008 1:43 am

    All I know is that if, God forbid, our country gets attacked again with Senator Obama in office, nothing will be done. Clearly, time and time again Obama has stated that he would rather sit down and talk with our enemies instead of war. Well, guess what? If these people had compassion to sit down and talk out their problems, they would have enough sence to not kill thousands of Americans! Hence, these people are extremists.

    I would feel MUCH more safe with Senator John McCain in office, because I know that should something aweful happen in our country he will make choices that defend our country. That alone is enough for my vote.

  11. mrclutch34do permalink
    September 19, 2008 1:54 am

    Also, so what if Curt is a millionaire? Guess what poster, you have 2 arms dont you? Would be awefully difficult to sit and type on a computer if you didnt. You were born with the same shot Curt was to go out and become a professional athelete. Was Curt born with something you werent? He decided to dedicate his entire life to playing baseball, fully knowing that should he make it to the highest level he would be rewarded. What is the problem with that? I am so sick and tired of people calling out atheletes and other famous people opinions because they have a lot of money. People hate Bono from U2. Why?? Because he has dedicated himself to making people happy and puts MILLIONS towards helping other people and wants to make people aware of the injustices happenning in other countries that only WE can change?! Curt has achieved the highest level of success in his field and has put everything he has into continuing that career so that we can have enjoyment from his success. It may sound harsh but we are born equal. We all have the ability to make something of our lives, and no matter who we are, because we are Americans we have the God given right to have an opinion. Wether Curt has $100 Million or .7 cents he has an opinion just like the rest of us because off the field he has a family, responsibilities and health to worry about.

    In the end this is about the future of our country, and no one in this election has ever been more ready to lead us, keep us safe and try to make life easier for everyone in the US than Senator John McCain. He has shown complete dedication to our country and the good things it stands for.

  12. vfraenckel permalink
    September 19, 2008 5:40 am

    It’s funny that Barack Obama thinks that raising taxes would hurt the economy while we are in a recession, but somehow wouldn’t hurt it any other time. It tells me, at leasr, that tax increases and the talk of them is more about playing to his base than discussing the actual implications of his proposals.

    And, bear in mind a couple of things. The Curt Schillings of the world (well, the US) already pay a disproportionate share of the taxes for essentially no return, while the poorest pay next to, or actually, no taxes and receive the lions share of the benefits from the government. ( see: I know the Heritage foundation is on the conservative side of the spectrum, but the data speaks for itself.

  13. thecuttysark permalink
    September 19, 2008 6:45 am

    I think the most entertaining line in the campaign advisor’s email was “who believes him?”. This is a peach – especially coming from a representative of a man who, in the past week has reinvented his image and shattered every truth he claims to hold dear. Once, I respected McCain for the dedication he held to his beliefs. Now, his word is worth about as much as this list of talking points that a campaign advisor cut and pasted into an email to Curt Shilling.

    By the way, Curt, kudos for articulating your sentiments about Manny yesterday. That had to be said.

  14. ljsandwich permalink
    September 19, 2008 7:27 am

    I find it ironic that you go on WEEI yesterday and rip on Manny, but when you actually still played with him, you would use the airwaves to defend him as a teammate. Hypocritical to say the least.
    I also find it amusing that you can’t understand how Manny got upset with management when he got in tremendous physical shape, and the team opted not to pick up his options. You somehow managed to squeeze money out of ownership by doing the exact opposite.


  15. averagejoe permalink
    September 19, 2008 8:14 am

    On taxes:

    Obama’s plan is absolutely absurd: he says “95% of people will get a tax cut.” This is a lie. 95% of people in the United States don’t pay income tax. And if you make more than 100,000 a year your income tax is already quite high. So how would these people get a tax cut? Essentially they’d be getting a check from the government.

    How does Obama plan to pay for this? He’s going to raise taxes on all sorts of things. He’ll pick and choose which industries he hikes taxes on though (lets not forget he was #2 in earmarks for Fannie and Freddie Mac).

    With a financial system in collapse because of the mistakes of Alan Greenspan and the current treasury/federal reserve/congress – we the nation simply can’t afford Obama’s New Deal.

    McCain makes sense on a number of fronts. He will leave the economy alone. He’s a free market de-regulation guy, this is what we need. Let the market handle the market. We simply can’t afford Obama

  16. September 19, 2008 8:19 am

    Here’s the facts about who gets a tax cut under Obama (something like 95% of taxpayers). And he wants the capital gains rate to be lower than it was, in that nightmare decade, the 1990s, when a Democrat was in the White House, and peace and prosperity resulted.

    Information on McCain’s tax hike on health care can be found here. “A study coming out Tuesday from scholars at Columbia, Harvard, Purdue and Michigan projects that 20 million Americans who have employment-based health insurance would lose it under the McCain plan.”

    Also, McCain should stop lying about Obama’s bipartisan eforts. Google “Obama Lugar” or “Obama Coburn” for what I think are the two most prominent examples of why that McCain talking point is a lie.

    redlightgreen– Palin charged rape victims for their exams because the kits included emergency, day-after contraception. Palin believes that the government should force women to deliver the offspring of their rapists against their will; charging raped women for services immediately after the rape was her way of pushing things in that direction.

  17. blueeyedgirl2 permalink
    September 19, 2008 9:12 am

    I think what’s happening here is indicative of what’s happening in our general society – people are becoming more and more hostile to those of differing opinions because it’s only about what a person personally thinks and that they get to think they’re right.

    I don’t see Curt as throwing out stuff that says that McCain is the answer to all that is going on in this world, actually, I don’t see most conservatives saying that – what we are saying is that you have to be careful, because while it’s easy to point fingers at the guy who has a record, what do you do with the guy who doesn’t have one? It seems a whole load of people think that means you make him President.

    Furthermore, looking at just one issue, like women’s reproductive rights, is just having tunnel vision. No matter who gets elected, we have checks and balances, we do have Congress and last time I checked, Pelosi and her cronies are having a pretty good time wasting government money and time (ah, finger pointing in the wake of a major economic crisis instead of, I don’t know, intelligently addressing the problem…). Just for the record, I don’t think men should have such fun throwing around the abortion issue – when you can get pregnant, or when you are faced with having impregnated someone who is making a decision, then you can speak up, until then, shut it.

    Final points. To those of you who think that the uber wealthy in this country should just foot the tax burden you really need to pay attention. One, with the tax structure of a small business, and all the rules and regulations, the true small business, the ones with only a handful of employees, the ones who work seven days a week, don’t take vaction, and pack pb&j from home for lunch everyday to save money, they will suffer under Obama. See, just because the books say you made so much money, doesn’t mean you don’t need that money to reinvest in the business, pay the business taxes that most don’t realize exist, invest for yourself to pay for retirement (yeah, no matching funds in a 401K, nothing), pay for all your own healthcare (yup, you likely have a corporation paying a portion for you, AND getting better rates), help pay for your kids’ education, everything. It’s not easy being a small businessman, or woman, and until you walk in their shoes, like abortion, you have no right to think you know what you’re talking about.

    Two, you need to realize that while there are a ton of greedy jerks making too much money, there are also a ton of amazing human beings who reinvest in this country. There are people who fight to keep their businesses from outsourcing to foreign countries, there are people who work to provide additional educational benefits within their companies to help janitors someday hold a desk job. There are people right now who are fighting tooth and nail to save companies from failing, to save jobs for their coworkers, to help save this country from even more financial crisis. There are millions of things that go on everyday that you don’t see. So yes, there are people who get ridiculous bonuses and don’t deserve one penny because of how they screw everyone else. But for the small business owner who pays for the furniture for the unrecognized children’s unit of the local hospital to the baseball star who works tirelessly to raise funds for disease research, people do good things – don’t judge all based on the actions of a few.

    Finally, just because someone will likely attack me for what I’ve said here. I don’t make a ton of money, I have more medical issues than most will ever face in their lifetime (hence the terror of nationalized healthcare), I have never had an abortion but have supported a friend through the most devastating decision of her life, and no, I would not have made the same choice. I was raised by a small business owner who still works 7 days a week and who fears the demise of the business if Obama gets elected – just think Massachusetts Legislature on a grand scale and you should be scared too. I work through my pain, I save my money, I support myself, and I still make time to work full time, try to take classes to expand my knowledge, try to volunteer to do good for people in my community. Oh, and I didn’t take out a mortgage that was offered to me because I read the fine print, I asked questions, and I realized that no matter how much I wanted to own a place, if something happened to me or the economy, I’d be screwed. Imagine that, thinking about the consequences of an action.

    Curt, keep up the good work, and thanks for trying to stand up to some of the lies people are throwing out there.

  18. randolphpure permalink
    September 19, 2008 9:21 am

    Hi Curt-

    There are good reasons to vote for McCain and there are good reasons not to vote for Obama. That we can all agree on. But since you have made such a point of focusing on facts – I think you should be more wary of the GOP talking points you pass along.

    For example, this data point:”Obama has never sponsored or passed one significant bipartisan piece of legislation.” is a lie. I refer you to Tom Coburn’s (R-OK) website for the description of Coburn-Obama bill

    “U.S. Senators Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Barack Obama (D-IL) today hailed the Senate’s passage of the “Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act,” a bill that will create a Google-like search engine and database to track approximately $1 trillion in federal grants, contracts, earmarks and loans.”

    Also, you may remember that in October 2002 – Obama spoke out forcefully against the Iraq War. In October 2002, that was an incredibly unpopular and politically risky position in the country and in the Democratic Party. Whether you agree with Obama on the war or not – it is a lie to say he has never stood up to his party. For someone planning a Senate run in 2004 – as Obama was – taking that position on Iraq was outright courageous. In October 2002, polls in Illinois showed citizens supported the Iraq War at at 55% clip – so Obama was going against the tide to speak his views at that time.

    Curt – You need to ask yourself – why do your GOP contacts send you outright lies and misinformation? Especially when passing it along makes you look uninformed and diminishes your credibility?

    Go Sox! (Good Luck to and) God Bless the USA!

  19. baustin33 permalink
    September 19, 2008 9:37 am

    If taxes are your hotbutton vote YES on Question 1 this November in Massachusetts.

    Watching the Red Sox play on NESN is a personal decision and has nothing to do with how much Curt Schilling makes per year.

    Thanks for the blogs Curt, you always keep me thinking either way.

  20. mattkeener77 permalink
    September 19, 2008 10:22 am

    It truly amazes me that we have so much ignorance in this country. Do you guys honestly think that we can just tax the rich, and that will be the end of it? Do you think we can tax businesses, and there will be no additional costs to the middle-class? If you do, you need to get your head checked. If you increase taxes on the wealthy, they have less money to create jobs, and through their investments they pass their higher costs onto consumers. It’s that simple! If we increase capital gains taxes, that stifles the market, which means less jobs for all you Obama fanatics. Plus, there will be a great number of the “wealthiest” Americans who decided they’ve had enough from you whiners out there, and take their money to countries that are more amiable to them. So, under Obamas plan, we will entice the money of this country to leave, we will encourage businesses to invest elsewhere, which decreases the amount of jobs we have in this country. On top of that we will continue to enslave ourselves to foreign oil in hopes that wind and solar will save the day, and we will take a giant leap towards the dark path of socialism. Is that what you want? If so, go ahead vote for Obama, as for me, I choose to believe in the principles that made America great. I’m not wealthy, just middle-class, but I want to be wealthy one day, and a McCain presidency would ensure I have that chance. Don’t you guys want that chance as well? One last thing, Obama is a huge proponent of the Death Tax. So, not only is he wanting to destroy our economy, he also wants to take/steal half of what someone has saved in their lifetime from their families. Do you think that this is right? Is this the America that you want? Grow up, and start thinking about the bigger picture.

    Oh, and Curt, please hurry up and finish making your game, I’m sick of WOW, and I can’t wait to play it. 🙂

  21. geekrev permalink
    September 19, 2008 10:45 am

    It’s exchanges like this that make me vote third party every election. There are misinformed blind loyalists on each side spouting off lies and errors to any who will listen. And each side uses these as typical examples to demonize the other party.

    When there are only two options both guys end up defining their positions simply as “not the other guy” rather than what they do stand for. No matter which rich, out of touch elitist gets elected things aren’t going to change a heck of a lot.

  22. jdc384 permalink
    September 19, 2008 11:08 am

    #5: You are living in a Reagan-era fantasy world. Trickle down economics has resulted in a ever growing gap between rich and poor. Before you spout your shrill opinions, think.

  23. mainermarsh permalink
    September 19, 2008 11:29 am

    The sad fact is that only a few million people are probably hardcore Republicans or Democrats. Most of us “normal” people see the pros and cons of both sides and fall somewhere in the middle. At the moment I find myself supporting Obama moreso than McCain. Why?

    I DO support Obama’s plan for the economy. Just look at where the current plan has gotten our economy. The fat cats in Wall Street walk away with $100 million retirement packages while the investors in said company are utterly ruined. I am tired of an economy that focuses on making the rich even richer while the standard of living for 90% of Americans decreases. The trickle down effect doesn’t work if the executives are soaking up every cent before it can trickle down to anyone.

    I DO believe we should change our diplomatic stance towards counties like Iran and North Korea. Once again, where has our current stand gotten us? The countries in question still do not listen to us via sanctions and bills sponsored at the UN. What harm is there in sitting down at a table and trying to hammer out a solution? Everyone knows that Mahmoud Ahmidenijad is a whackjob and an anti-semite. That fact isn’t going to change by sitting on the sidelines and furthering a tense situation.

    I DO believe that Obama’s stance on Iraq from the beginning was the correct one. Sure, the violence has decreased dramatically now, but at the cost of thousands of American lives. It is pretty clear we never should have gone there in the first place Curt. There was simply not enough hard evidence to warrant it. Of course Saddam was a bad guy and an animal, but if we intend to take out every dictator in the world we need to reinstate the draft, because we have a hell of a long list of countries to invade. Iran, Sudan, North Korea, Zimbabwe, etc etc

    Indeed McCain has gone againt his party on many occasions and for that he should be commended. Unfortunately he has also changed his position multiple times since his campaign began. His stance on the economy has changed 3 or 4 times in the last 6 months. On immigration reform he also spoke out for comprehencesive change, softened his position to get the hardcore base behind him, and then came back to his original stance.

    I also do not appreciate the attempt to lie to the American people in his ads. One, which portrated Obama as some kind of pervert pushing sex education on 5 year olds was especailly bad. The guy wanted to help protect children from predators. You don’t see Obama referring to McCain as an adulterer do you?

  24. jdarnold permalink
    September 19, 2008 11:38 am

    Asking the McCain campaign to give anything resembling “truth” is like asking a Yankees fan to list all the good things about the Red Sox. I’m not sure why I bother even replying to one sided, distorted puffery like this, but really, all you need to do is to go to, where you’ll see that the McCain campaign, because it has nothing positive to say about itself, is reduced to repeating the same old lies and distortions about the tax plan.

    Which contains quotes like “In what has become an ongoing theme, the McCain-Palin campaign has released yet another ad that makes false claims about Barack Obama’s tax plan.”. They just can’t understand how far behind the times they are, esp. vis-a-vis the economy and just keep whining like fabricating 8 yr. old girls about taxes.

  25. mike33mike permalink
    September 19, 2008 12:23 pm

    The direct response by McCain’s aide to the question is accurate, but leaves out a few facts. It is true that McCain does not want to raise taxes on anyone, but a comparison of the McCain vs. Obama tax plan shows that Obama would help those making less than 112K much more than McCain would, per CNN

    Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill
    Over $2.9M ($269,364) $701,885
    $603K and up ($45,361) $115,974
    $227K-$603K ($7,871) $12
    $161K-$227K ($4,380) ($2,789)
    $112K-$161K ($2,614) ($2,204)
    $66K-$112K ($1,009) ($1,290)
    $38K-$66K ($319) ($1,042)
    $19K-$38K ($113) ($892)
    Under $19K ($19) ($567)

    First a historical perspective, take a look at the historical view of the distribution of aggregate income from the Census, this is just a fancy way of saying “how big of a slice of the total income pie are you getting”. For example, the table below is broken up into income earner brackets, the lowest fifth [1/5th] of income earners, etc So in 1987 the lowest fifth of income earners got 3.8% of the total income in the US, whereas in 2007 they only got 3.4%. You might notice a trend in the table, specifically the highest fifth income earners now earn 3.5% more than they did in 1987, and that 3.5% has been taken from those making less than them, basically the opposite of Robin Hood.
    If you want to see the full depressing history since 1967 which shows things have only gotten worse since then go here:

    Lowest Fifth Second Fifth Third Fifth Fourth Fifth Highest Fifth Top 5 Percent
    1987 3.8 9.6 16.1 24.3 46.2 18.2
    2007 3.4 8.7 14.8 23.4 49.7 21.2
    Change -0.4 -0.9 -1.3 -0.9 3.5 3
    Now compare the two tax plans from Obama and your friends:

  26. mike33mike permalink
    September 19, 2008 12:28 pm

    The direct response by McCain’s aide to the question is accurate, but leaves out a few facts. It is true that McCain does not want to raise taxes on anyone, but a comparison of the McCain vs. Obama tax plan shows that Obama would help those making less than 112K much more than McCain would, per CNN

    Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill
    Over $2.9M ($269,364) $701,885
    $603K and up ($45,361) $115,974
    $227K-$603K ($7,871) $12
    $161K-$227K ($4,380) ($2,789)
    $112K-$161K ($2,614) ($2,204)
    $66K-$112K ($1,009) ($1,290)
    $38K-$66K ($319) ($1,042)
    $19K-$38K ($113) ($892)
    Under $19K ($19) ($567)

    Furthermore, take a look at the historical view of the distribution of aggregate income from the Census, this is just a fancy way of saying “how big of a slice of the total income pie are you getting”. For example, the table below is broken up into income earner brackets, the lowest fifth [1/5th] of income earners, etc So in 1987 the lowest fifth of income earners got 3.8% of the total income in the US, whereas in 2007 they only got 3.4%. You might notice a trend in the table, specifically the highest fifth income earners now earn 3.5% more than they did in 1987, and that 3.5% has been taken from those making less than them, basically the opposite of Robin Hood.

    Lowest Fifth Second Fifth Third Fifth Fourth Fifth Highest Fifth 1987 3.8 9.6 16.1 24.3 46.2
    2007 3.4 8.7 14.8 23.4 49.7
    Change -0.4 -0.9 -1.3 -0.9 3.5

    So in summary, since 1987 the richest fifth of America has increased their portion of the income pie by 3%, taking that 3% from those who are less fortunate than they are. Meanwhile, McCain’s tax plan proposes giving the largest tax cut to the wealthy, while Obama’s proposes giving the largest tax benefits to those who need the most help.

  27. brendinater permalink
    September 19, 2008 12:58 pm

    Curt – I am a bit confused by this.

    In one of your earlier posts, you (and I’m paraphrasing here) said you were sick of the prevelance in politics of criticizing the other guy without actually stating what the candidate stood for himself.

    In the response to the blog entry, the only point made on McCain by the campaign advisor is a vague and ill-defined plan in one paragraph (the 5,000 tax credit), and the rest of the response is nothing but a criticism of Obama. As a point, McCain’s name is mentioned four times and Obama’s eight times. Doesn’t the campaign advsor’s response completely validate your point that politicians, including McCain, are far more concerned with belittling the other guy than clearly defining what they stand for themselves?

  28. tdmtown permalink
    September 19, 2008 1:03 pm

    Thing you don’t realize Curt, is how misinformed you are,
    and readily you are willing to parrot that misinformation.
    Ok, well not always “misinformation”, but only the partial picture.
    And that picture paints, of course, only YOUR candidate as being the right guy.
    I suppose you’ll never look in the mirror, and actually say” wow, i really am just a dumb jock”, but maybe you should.
    I’m glad that you use you modest celebrity “cache” to raise money for charities.
    It disgusts me that you use it to bluster, in an UNinformed and UNintelligent way, about politics.

    What you really mean to say about your email is,
    “i emailed “the campaign” and got a “party line” response from some underling”
    Do you read that stuff and actually get satisfied that they have objectively told you the truth? really?
    Why don’t you get that when one is “politicking” for an office, they will behave no different than you and the Sox as you are “campaigning” through the season.
    As the insider/campaigner, you give ONLY the info you want to give, or thats “approved” to give, so you can wage a successful campaign.
    You live(d) this, for 20 years, why don’t you get that it’s the exact same thing?
    Did you actually think you were going to get an “official” response that said something that wasn’t the party line and agreed with that post? Really?

    I’ll pose the questions, but i doubt you don’t have the actual knowledge to answer. But hey, take a shot………

    1)Where do you think the money to run the country comes from?
    (and no, it’s not the revenue from the gift shop at the Capital buliding)

    2)With a war thats costing BILLIONS a month, where does that money come from, specifically when we already have a HUGE deficit?

    3)With the bailout of AIG and possible bailout of “the banking system” for all the stupid loans because of the deregulation, where did/does that money come from, specifically when we already have a HUGE deficit?

    Let me give you a hint, it starts with a “T”

    Nobody like them, democrats, republicans, or anybody.
    They are simply necessary.
    The concepts of the government being a failsafe, or dare i say “socialistic”,
    is completely counter “republican”, but you don’t get that, do you?
    I understand such things are a necessary evil, to keep an economy from collapsing, but you run a smart ship, and don’t run deficits, so you can actually afford to do it when needed.

    Our deficit is so big that both a smarter, efficient tax system is needed, and probably higher taxes. Why is it that people who are “for” the war, and “for” being over there, completely BALK at the concept that it has to be PAID for somehow. It’s really NOT that complex. When you have NO money, and you want to spend money, where does it come from??
    You get a hard on because you pump your fist and say
    “the surge worked, the surge worked”, but you have no concept of the cost,
    in lives, and DOLLARS……….Nothing “works” when people die.

    But, the party line tells you that Obama is big bad meanie who wants to raise taxes, so you parrot it like the sycophant you are.

    I’m also curious, do you get healthcare through the MLBPA?
    Have you shopped for health insurance recently?
    $5000 as a tax credit (only “families” with “x” amount of kids will qualify for that full amount) is going to cover a “GOOD” full family health insurance policy for a whole year? Shop for a good comprehensive full family health care plan and get back to me.

    I saw the footage of you at Louden with ‘ol Jon. I have to say, the first thing that popped into my head was that you reminded me of Gollum, from the Lord of the Rings movies.

    You looked old. The wispy balding head, DEEP sunk in eyes…..
    You had a glazed, sort of half mesmerized look on your face.
    Perhaps, hypnotized by the “power”
    (of the man, or the moment(or the analogy of “the ring”)) if you will.
    I still think you have just been seduced by these people, and the perception
    of “power”. Politicians don’t have power, the people have the power.
    Time to snap out of it.

    I’d make these suggestions.
    #1- If you want to blather on about politics,
    spend some time ACTUALLY educating yourself to
    ALL the facts of the issues.
    #2- Stop parroting. If someone gives you something you want to print as “fact”
    take 60 seconds to check it out the WHOLE story.
    (the internet is very useful in this way)
    #3-Go meet ALL the candidates if you can. Don’t just suck up to the one guy
    who you think has “character” because he was a POW 40 years ago.
    (a lot has happened in the last 40 years)

  29. jonnyjbones permalink
    September 19, 2008 1:37 pm

    After the 5th question McCain still cannot say whether he will meet with the leader of Spain. Spain is a NATO ally that to my knowledge doesn’t sponsor terrorism. So I can take that to mean either that we will block any and all lines of communication possible with foreign countries OR that he was so confused by the latin names that he thought briefly that Spain was in the western hemisphere…..

  30. leftistcommiesoxfan permalink
    September 19, 2008 2:24 pm

    Curt Schilling is a pseudo-Christian.

  31. love33 permalink
    September 19, 2008 2:46 pm

    Just to say this about ignorance in this country, 2 party systems, and being “informed”…

    Our founding fathers said at the start of this country that you CAN NOT run a democracy effectively without education.

    Yet somehow we’re talking about people killing and dying and taxes…
    is it because we’re too stupid to find a way to measure education?
    whereas body counts and dollars signs are concrete…so we “get” them more?
    Maybe we should focus on education until it no longer serves as such a mystery to us.
    You know, we might even figure out a way to make money by NOT killing so many people then too!
    Zany thought, I know…but it’s just crazy enough to work.

    BTW, I just read about a 12 year old that just invented a 3-dimensional solar panel that’ll make harnessing sunlight way more effective.

    Now, while I’d like to say that it’s a great example of education being good in this country…
    how much do you want to bet that we’ll STILL be sucking at the middle eastern oil teet in ten years despite this virtual child’s breakthrough?
    THAT’S what I mean about our country’s education being on septic levels.

  32. str33tsp1r1t permalink
    September 19, 2008 3:27 pm

    So we should grow up and start thinking about the bigger picture huh? Well how’s this for a bigger picture:

    If conservatives continue to steal elections, and working class America continues to slowly crumble, eventually the middle class in this country will finally fail for good.

    The media, already consolidated into three or four corporations only parrot what they receive from government agencies like DHS and DOD, and functionally become state run media (already pretty close to being the case).

    Then what we’ll have is masses of poor, out-of-work, and uneducated pissed off people. The wealthy won’t be safe in thier gated communities and country clubs long.

    Then as a response the wealthy become increasingly paraniod and go on a campaign trying to creat “security” in the country. The nation slips into fascism carrying a cross and wrapped in the flag.

    Under the banner of restoring American values/security a campaign to clamp down on politicol dissent, destroy all personal privacy (conservatives have already gone on record saying there is no right to privacy in the constitution), and take out the leadership of the working class revolution forming begins.

    It starts with the jailing or murder of leading leftist intellectuals and other such rabble rousers (see the sports stadium mass murders in Chile under Pinochet.)

    Tada! America is a third world country and destroys itself from within.

    In order for a strong democratic republic to prosper, you MUST have a strong, vibrant, well educated, aware middle class.

    This is no conspiracy theory, take a second to study history, and you will see it coming.

    If you think it can’t happen here pull your head out of the sand.

  33. str33tsp1r1t permalink
    September 19, 2008 3:39 pm

    This is what Fascism looks like for those interested.

    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4. Supremacy of the Military – Even when there are widespread
    domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    5. Rampant Sexism – The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

    6. Controlled Mass Media – Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.

    9. Corporate Power is Protected – The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed – Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    14. Fraudulent Elections – Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

  34. September 19, 2008 3:51 pm

    Whoops, my comment wasn’t approved, lemme strip the links out.

    Here’s the facts about who gets a tax cut under Obama (95% of taxpayers). And he wants the capital gains rate to be lower than it was in that nightmare decade, the 1990s, when a Democrat was in the White House, and peace and prosperity resulted.
    [Google “Obama’s plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy” for a Washington Post article on this, or “Middle-class families get tax cuts that are three times larger from Obama than from McCain” or “Impact of Obama Plan on Federal Taxes Paid by Income Quintile” for different articles].

    Information on McCain’s tax hike on health care can be found here. “A study coming out Tuesday from scholars at Columbia, Harvard, Purdue and Michigan projects that 20 million Americans who have employment-based health insurance would lose it under the McCain plan.”
    [Google “20 Million: Give or Take?” or “McCain’s Health Care Tax Increase” for substantiation].

    Also, McCain should stop lying about Obama’s bipartisan eforts. Google “Obama Lugar” or “Obama Coburn” for what I think are the two most prominent examples of why that McCain talking point is a lie.

    redlightgreen– Palin charged rape victims for their exams because the kits included emergency, day-after contraception. Palin believes that the government should force women to carry to term the offspring of their rapists against their will; charging raped women for services immediately after the rape was her way of pushing things in that direction.
    [Google “There was one town in Alaska that was charging victims for this, and that was Wasilla” for a number of articles on this story].

  35. lughlamfada permalink
    September 19, 2008 4:40 pm

    You’ve hit the nail on the head, Curt.

    Obama talks about how he’s going to lower taxes for middle class Americans, but what he doesn’t say is that their taxes will go WAY up once he lets the Bush tax cuts expire. Don’t take my word for it, just look at the figures yourself:

    Here is what taxes currently are under the Bush tax cuts:

    Single making 30K – tax $4,500
    Single making 50K – tax $12,500
    Single making 75K – tax $18,750
    Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K – tax $18,750
    Married making 125K – tax $31,250

    Obama wants to eliminate the Bush tax cuts, thereby making the taxes as follows:

    Single making 30K – tax $8,400
    Single making 50K – tax $14,000
    Single making 75K – tax $23,250
    Married making 60K – tax $16,800
    Married making 75K – tax $21,000
    Married making 125K – tax $38,750

    Let’s not forget Biden’s statement of how taxing the rich is going to “put money back in the pockets of the middle class.” I take particular offense to the word “back” in that statement, as if the small business owners and wealthy businessmen only have their money because they have somehow stolen it from the middle classes, thus resulting in Obama swooping in like a big, socialist Robin Hood.

    Obama is all rhetoric with no substance. He is truly dangerous, and will only become more dangerous if idiots elect him.



  36. dimmak42 permalink
    September 19, 2008 4:48 pm

    Hi Curt,

    At the moment, I am very uncertain who to support as president. There is just so much negativity it out weights everything these folks are saying they stand for. I lean towards McCain and Palin because the seem like the lesser of two evils. It might be my religious back ground but Obama really scares me with his campaign.

    I work in a company that supports data centers so we are constantly thinking about heat and power. I don’t make great pay but the health benefits are very good and we’re encouraged to think green. The perpetual energy crisis is obviously a serious issue to me and my new wife.

    Could you pass an idea along to McCain or his party if you agree with this idea. My immediate co-workers were kicking around the idea of alternative energy sources and setting up solar panels to cut our energy cost and even sell this back to the power company. Has the government ever though of setting up their own alternative energy sources; wind, solar, thermal, ect… and then selling the excess power at a flat rate to the power companies.

    Our thinking is this would make more energy available putting direct competition to foreign energy. The power companies would still be able to resell and distribute this to general market. The government would then receive a source of revenue that could assist in lower taxes or be funneled directly into programs such as health care or education. Jobs would be produced.

    Why make this a government operation? No private sector wants to take the risk to create the technology that is alternative to what we have already. The government can make long term plans to not see a ‘profit’ years or decades at a time. Once the loss of developing alternative power has been recouped they can then sell this off to the private sector.

    Maybe my idea is crazy, but I want more solutions floating out there rather than hey this guy isn’t right because of such and such. I don’t feel like my voice as a single citizen can be heard in this din, but you have earned your fame and now have a podium to be heard from. So if you do think this is a good idea, even just to get the thought processes going.

    Also if McCain, or Obama, has a solution to this energy crisis please comment on it.

    A Concerned Citizen

  37. Hugh Jass permalink
    September 19, 2008 5:07 pm


    You are so far out of touch. We union folks are getting squeezed from millionaires and corporate raiders up the wazoo. You will never, ever understand what it’s like to worry about feeding and clothing your own children. I wish me and my union bros. and sisters did not know, either, but with the Republicans handing everything that is not nailed down to their fat-cat millionaire friends and almighty corporations, well, you get it.

    Wake up and smell the watered down coffee, Kurt (it cost less if I use fewer coffee grounds).

  38. teach44 permalink
    September 19, 2008 6:43 pm


    I noticed that your candidate graduated 894 of 899 in the 1958 class of the Naval Academy. I’m not sure what number is more disturbing, McCain’s class rank, or the salary you “earned” this season…

  39. fervent permalink
    September 19, 2008 6:53 pm

    It’ll be interesting to see if their is an 85 billion dollar bail out for people that can’t afford their home heating oil this winter. Or better yet, a comprehensive TRILLION!!!? dollar plan to make healthcare affordable and enable the working man to fill his tank. These programs will be an albatross for whoever wins the election. They are rewards for unscrupulous risk taking, fraud, thievery, and ineptitude by the brass on wall street. Are they the ones that really need bailing out? Or are they the ones that are owed political favors by the other white collar thugs that run this country?

  40. September 19, 2008 6:55 pm

    Dear Kurt,

    Your argument would have been more convincing if you were not parroting the party line.

    To those who say Obama is all talk and show: Have you read anything that he’s written on his website? Try going here and reading his plans.

    All I’m saying is do your research before you make statements. If you do that then you are way ahead of the talking heads who pretend to know anything about politics. I’m talking about YOU old media..

    Oh and for the record, as a libertarian, I find the profits the oil companies are making suspicious. The oil companies are making record profits and they want money for development?



    P.S. Go Sox!!! YES we can win the division. I just know it!

  41. heyitstodd permalink
    September 19, 2008 9:29 pm

    lughlamfada spewed forth:

    Obama talks about how he’s going to lower taxes for middle class Americans, but what he doesn’t say is that their taxes will go WAY up once he lets the Bush tax cuts expire. Don’t take my word for it, just look at the figures yourself:

    Here is what taxes currently are under the Bush tax cuts:

    Single making 30K – tax $4,500
    Single making 50K – tax $12,500
    Single making 75K – tax $18,750
    Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K – tax $18,750
    Married making 125K – tax $31,250

    Obama wants to eliminate the Bush tax cuts, thereby making the taxes as follows:

    Single making 30K – tax $8,400
    Single making 50K – tax $14,000
    Single making 75K – tax $23,250
    Married making 60K – tax $16,800
    Married making 75K – tax $21,000
    Married making 125K – tax $38,750

    Well, since you didn’t provide a source for these bogus numbers, we have to take your word for it. How about a citation as to where this table came from? It sure differs from the Tax Policy Center Analysis That, btw, is a citation. You should try it sometime. Unless, of course, you are just making stuff up, or mindlessly passing bogus information.

  42. teddywilliams9 permalink
    September 19, 2008 10:10 pm

    Curt, i was always a big fan, but now that you have to much time on your hands… I’m not so sure. I’ve been following this blog all season and have become more and more disgusted with your political crud. I love discussing politics and such, but with a misinformed man I can only pity, but one who is willing to go so far as to completely bash someone they know nothing about but yet pretend they do is too much.
    Curt I really hope you read this because you need to figure some stuff out. I guess McCain is a better answer for you because you have the money that is great for his tax cuts, however what about the middle class? Obama is working to make less of a difference between social classes so that tax cuts can be fair. You also seem to be completely unaware of the fact that Obama is offering universal healthcare. In case you did not know, that means free healthcare. FOR EVERYONE. No more bullshit about pre existing conditions or not the right coverage to get this or that. Everyone can get the treatment they need when they need it.
    I’m sorry Curt, but whatever you may think you know about McCain, is only part of the truth… His plans for economic well fare are complete bullshit and will hurt this economy.
    Please, do your own research before going public about it, because it is really ticking people off about how badly you talk politics.
    I’m not sure you have touched this, but soldiers in Iraq are 6 to 1 in favor of coming home right away. Many people in this country are unaware of that fact. We need to get out. It is hurting our own economy and is really killing AMERICAN LIVES. How is that a good thing? We do not need to be in there. What we are doing there is putting a bandage over a wound that needs stitches. Ironically, we made the wound.

    Curt, I’m all in favor of political ranting, as you have just seen.. I HOPE. Obama is really the best choice because he can really see what the people need, not what is best for our soldiers in Iraq.

    Ok, enough for me, I have to get to bed so i can go work another 9 hour day.

    btw, i hear your nick name in the majors is red light? want to discuss that a little bit.

    again, PLEASE READ.

  43. grecoroman permalink
    September 19, 2008 10:13 pm


    The true, sad reality exists that like most of the Republican’s well marketed campaigns, their success peaks at simply succeeding in scamming the naive, trusting sheep-like American public into getting elected – once elected, its truly mission accomplished. Once in power, Republicans substance falls cavernously short of their rhetoric and propoganda time and again. I fear their political dominance if Republicans could truly ever govern properly.

    However, here stands the Republicans pathetically clear economic philosophy siphoned down as a model for the Union Worker and common man. Mr. Union worker, common man, having a tough time making ends meet – ok. Simply attain a credit card with an unlimited amount and go to town. Want a new house or pay off your existing one, slap it on your shiny new credit card. Want new cars or pay off existing ones, hey, don’t pay from what your earn, slap it on the shiny, unlimited credit card. New clothes, boat, vacations, toys, whatever your heart desires, slap it on baby. Despite you making $50K a year where you can’t even afford to pay your monthly minimum on your new shiny endless credit card, screw it, ride high while you can, live it up and worry later. Lets abuse this time while we have it.

    The only problem exist that if the common man took that Republican model of economics to heart and actual practice, that common man, union worker would wind up bankrupt, potentially in jail and spend the better part of their life, trying to fix their destroyed credit. Most likely, end up divorced, forever altering their childrens lives futures, possibly suicidal and utterly miserable and a complete failure.

    However, from the master marketed, though complete fraudulent Republican Party, whom simply runs government with the same, identical economic philosophy above, that would sink any individual, bringing the credit card, or national debt to record amounts, with no tangible way to not only begin to pay it down, but not even stop the spending or increase. Instead of facing consequences like that the common or union man would in reality, The Republican founders, practitioners, marketers and manipulaters whom employ such a pathetic economic philosopy, simply ride off into the sunset, and letting others to try to reign in their complete lack of economic sense, discipline and ultimate fraud. Country First Curt, huh?!

    The sad reality Americans face, just as after 8 years of the same fraudulent economic farce, called Reagonomics or Trickle Down, plaguing in the late 80’s early nineties, stands that the only way to dig ourselves out of this mountain of Republican Disgrace, that I fear we have only scratched the surface on our current descent into the abyss of economic karma, is to rally Americans – and not for more tax cuts – please!!!. The enabling nature of both candidates pandering to Americans with tax cuts truly turns my stomach. And the acceptance and blindess to it, by the American Public, frightens me profoundy at her ignorance, blindness and gross vulnerability in the absence of true leadership.

    I do remember President Clinton taking over following the first Reagan/Bush forced recession of mountainous, freewheeling unchecked spending, standing like Obama will in January, tiny, in the midst of overwhelming economic, self induced ruin, only strangling every Main Street of every town of every state in the U.S. I remember Clinton challenging every American that it would take each American, not the top 2% or bottom 98%, but every decimel of every percent, to sacrifice, work hard and work together, to dig ourselves out of the ruinous economic state we fell into then. Americans all shared it. I remember it well, for I just graduated college in 1992 and began working in the private sector making slightly over $20K, though blessed to simply find a job, with unemployment rampantly high then. Clinton’s message inspired me, and I felt a stronger purpose in working harder not just for my own personal gain, but for my country’s as well. I felt so proud to work harder and pay more to help my country, believe it or not. My taxes went up like everyone else, but I felt part of a team, all working as a nation to rid ourselves of the fraudelent, self-destructive, self serving Republican debt debacle. I trusted Clinton, as a leader and he responded each month by, like a sinking Air Craft Carrier bailing water, showing tangibly each week and month, the slow bailing of water or debt going overboard detailing the payoff as the ship or country began to regain her buoyancy, until after years of such tough love, straigtforward, honest leadership challenging only the hardest working, strongest, toughest working force on the planet, bar none, the Air Craft Carrier known as America sailed freely, proudly and fiercly once more, only with many newly built ones bouyantly and ably by her side.

    After not only erasing the debt but creating financial health like never witnessed before, Americans sadly sat duped once more by the Republican, greed induced, Propoganda, Marketing Machine. In a collective show of jealousy, anger, resentment and ultimate evil from Clintons wildly successful fiscal responsiblity, only correcting the Republicans immoral, self serving, fiscal irresponsibility and catastrophe, where Clinton success benefitted not only the top percentages of Americans, but even the bottom of all Americans. Republicans irate and bitter, impeached and exposed Clinton for his unfortunate personal, failings to his family. Such propoganda on the Goebbells/Limbaugh, Premiere Right Wing Radio Monopoly, coupled with another fraudelent, well marketed, yet likeable empty head puppet, Republican canditate, stressing honesty and family values, to family, though not to country of course, so cunningly and brilliantly played the American people for fools once more. Not that Al Gore’s robotic personality helped. However, this time not a poetic, stoic actor, but a class clown, silver spooned, former drug addict, ultimate failure in every personal venture, prior to Karl Rove’s Hitler style political manipulation and packaging, would sit entrusted.

    Once more the self serving, greed induced, immoral, fraudelent, economic philosophy that would sink and ruin any and every American individual again blanketed the governance of all Americans, though starting with record excess and surplus of economic health and wealth. Of course, history repeated itself, this time with a far greater sting awaiting resulting from American’s naivete at the voting booth and Rove Republican potential voting shananigans. Both injustices will I believe hurt and punish this economy and country beyond our greatest fears right now. The only thing holding up the house of cards, so to speak, is unemployment. When that goes, start running folks, it may be The Great Depression Sequel. If you don’t believe me, listen to non-partisan Alan Greensan. It’s pretty simple. Lies and fraud eventually come to roost, even, yet especially economic ones. Americans trusted not once, like the independent minded New Hampshire, whom woke up, a little too late but did nonetheless, but elected twice a seemingly honest, man of conviction, religion and values, against the clear, overt warning signs of fraud, corruption and lies in every aspect of governance including economic permeating their past, current and sure to be future. You reap what you sow, and get what you pay for. Americans will surely pay for such irresponsibility.

    Today, both candidates fear being straight with the American people, or make that Obama does, because McCain is a true Patriot of the Genocide Economic Philosophy that is Trickle-Dick, Tricky Dick, Trickle Down Fraud. Obama possesses no faith in the American voter because to be honest with them will only fuel the Goebbels/Limbaugh Right Wing Dictatorship propoganda campaign, as proven the last two elections, proving Obama probably exists right that by speaking honestly to the Amercan people will only result in his political demise. In his mind and in reality, sadly, Obama is forced to pander to get elected. Once in, maybe, he will be able to challenge all Americans, like Clinton so successfully did to dig ourselves out from the Republican, Hiroshima style Economic Fallout once again. If not, and the odds stand against it, for leadership like Clinton doesn’t come around every decade, then cleanup will only take potential decades, if all candidates continue to pander and govern via polls ala Karl Adolph Rove. If McCain’s elected, this country may break economically, with a Depression like none seen in our History. The Great Depression will need to be renamed.

    Curt, its not your fault you can not even come close to relating to the great 99% of hard working, struggling core American citizens that make our country what it is. Ultimately its a good thing for you. But again, don’t continue to appease and as a result insult everyday Americans with your blind and loyal allegiance to personal friends of yours whom you could care less or even care to know who’s economic policies, proven as clear as Theo’s GM skills, do nothing but destroy the economic health, wealth and future of everyday, hard working Americans. From someone who likes to project himself as a good old, honest, American down home guy, I find it insulting, though not surprising, you would enable and support such economic and moral recklessness. Its equally insulting you put your own ego and personal networking ahead of the betterment of the nation, whom you claim to love above all, supporting a friend, I understand, and a good man too in McCain. But a man whom has sacrificed his core beliefs and principles, selling out, undeniably for the clear the attainment for Power, aligning himself with someone as decrepit, though successful as Karl Adolph Rove, whom McCain knows firsthand of his evil, immoral Hitler style politics, personally in 2000. A man, McCain whose author of his autobiography, just declared him an unprincipled man – Wow!! Is your ego and personal ambition, so strong it allows you to comfortably get around such points in your mind daily? From someone whom claims, and I believe would never pitch for the Yankees, out of principle, I can’t understand why you pitch for the truly lost, corrupt, failed and non-principled true, current fraudelent, misled, misguied Republican regime, that make the Yankees appear as moral and virtuous as the Disciples.

    As a kid and even an adult I revere athletes so much for their necessary and refreshing honesty and character on and regarding their individual and team play. It’s difficult for me to see an athlete of your athletic, championship makeup whom I truly revere on the mound, fall so far short
    morally and intellectually off it, for personal networking/ego/self-serving ambitious reasons at the expense of everyday Americans, whom you so claim to, I think, care about, though I may or must be wrong? I applaud you for your participation and enthusiasm, but couldn’t feel more disappointed in your choices, whatever their underlying conscious or unconscious motive(s) and misguided reasoning.


  44. justautilityinfielder permalink
    September 20, 2008 3:18 am

    Schill, would you be cool if I put you in as a write-in canidate against one of those Dems running unopposed in MA?

  45. September 20, 2008 6:27 am

    Seeing is believing: this chart is graphic proof of who benefits from the McCain (and don’t forget the “old” John McCain was one of only two GOP senators with the guts to vote against this bail-out for the richest of the rich!) and Obama tax approaches.

  46. 38cantpitchnemore permalink
    September 20, 2008 8:23 am

    If that was a reply from one of McCain’s advisors then I would suggest that his campaign is in big trouble. Several of his points are are shaded and jaded, just as I would expect from the republicans.

    McCain advisor lie #1-McCain does not want to raise taxes on anyone.
    McCain wants to treat the health care benefits that I earned as a result my hard work and my unions tireless negotiating as INCOME. That is a $3,500 tax increase on me. McCain and the republicans will probably label this tax hike as an “inverse pay increase” to try to ease the sting.

    McCain advisor lie #2-Obama will remove the Bush tax cuts. He won’t if we are in a recession, right? Well he certainly will not remove them since our country is on the verge of a DEPRESSION, not a recession. It is going to take years and years to unravel what Bush has done and continues to do tothis country. People are losing their houses in droves and financial institutions are folding up before our very eyes. But thats OK with the republicans, just keep on pumping billions each month into Iraq and Afghanistan every month. Republicans are neglecting working families at every turn.

    McCain advisor lie #3-Obama voted to raise taxes 94 times. Sounds like a devil, doesn’t he? The mysterious advisor neglects to give us ANY specifics about the bills Obama voted for. I suspect most of them were going to benefit the middle class or working poor. And how many of those votes actually resulted in tax increases Mr advisor? You forgot to include that in your retort.

    McCain advisor lie #4-On the subject of being out of touch, Mr mystery advisor chooses to attack Obama instead of defending McCain. To be totally honest, I could care less about campaign reform, corruption, and immigration right now. Sure, they are important topics. But they pale in comparison to what is being wrought upon the middle class by the current administration. Know what I care about? Keeping my job, benefits, and house. Republicans apparently do not see or care about anyone but the rich.

    Im not a particularly political person but I wish this site was used to talk more about baseball and less about politics but that is obviously not in my control. I just felt an overwhelming urge to respond when I see disabled veterens being exploited to further the repbulican agenda.

    Im getting tired of writing so I may cover the rest of the McCain advisor’s lies later on today. Curt, both you and I have lost loved ones to ALS. We both have our respective unions to thank for our EARNED benefits. Thats where the similarities end, however. The bottom line is this. If an individual (not a household) is earning less than 100k annually, then you BETTER vote for Obama. There are a lot of yahoos out there making 65k who think they are well off and vote republican because they believe they are in a class which they are not a part of. Republicans look out for the wealthy. Democrats care about the working stiff who just wants to provide a decent standard of living. In a few weeks, God willing, the political tides will turn.

  47. teddywilliams9 permalink
    September 20, 2008 9:14 am

    hey there. just wonderin why you post this crud if you know people will bash you after you have refused to look at the whole story and the other side all year long…

  48. mrloudon permalink
    September 20, 2008 11:20 am

    This will be my only post on Curt “Mr. Self-Righteous” Shilling’s blog. Why do any of you pay him political/ societial attention? This is a person who believes “god” drives his career and not his genetic abilities along w/ years of training. He stumped for Dubya because Dubya is evangelical. Now he stumps for McCain under the guise of being a good Republican. Do any of you seek advice on fantasy baseball or if the Red Sox will make a key trade from policymakers, political scientists, and/ or community leaders? Probably not, so why to hell (oh, I said hell, am I going there Curt?) you seek political insight from a baseball player who thought god would cure his elbow and not medical treatment. I guess god wanted Curt to sit out the season-I just wish Curt’s mouth would sit out this presidential season.

  49. milloy permalink
    September 20, 2008 12:45 pm

    Nobody wants to pay taxes, but how do you propose we pay off our trillions of dollars in debt? I don’t know if you’ve followed the news in the last few weeks, but the recent GSE bailout could cost the taxpayer $1 trillion, the Fed has been exchanging Treasuries for billions in toxic CMOs from the likes of Bear Stearns & other investment banks, and in his grande finale Paulson is proposing a $700 billion bailout to levered institutions. Do we live in the USSR? If I hear one more Republican talk about free markets (which were destroyed this week with the laughable ban on short selling), capitalism or small government..i may throw up in my mouth. Hypocrisy isn’t a strong enough word, it’s like Nancy Pelosi suddenly picketing abortion clinics holding up signs with bloody fetuses. You could eliminate every instance of government pork for the next 10 years and it wouldn’t pay off a fraction of our debt. Cut taxes? Why not? Typically when you’re in a hole the best thing to do is keep digging. We are in serious trouble folks.

    This site should be required reading:

    “I am almost shaking as I write this for what is happening to the capital markets, this country, and the free world. The impact of the past two weeks’ action in the financial markets, if not reversed by cooler heads, will have irreparably changed the world in a way that only terrorist attacks and acts of war have in the past.

    Nationalizing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, providing an emergency quasi-legal bridge loan to AIG, temporarily banning short-selling on all stocks in the US, and instituting an RTC-type entity to handle the toxic waste of the financial system is economic violence on a grand scale.

    The long-term cost of these actions to dollar holders will likely be in excess of $1 trillion. The basic premise of a free economy is one governed by laws and not men, where property rights are respected, where individuals are free to make contracts with each other, and where honesty and transparency exist in the marketplace. It’s questionable whether any of these currently exist in the economy of the United States.

    Before I continue let me provide a partial list of entities responsible for the financial mess we find ourselves in:

    •-Fractional-reserve banking, which is inherently unstable and entirely a confidence game
    •-Congress for passing the Federal Reserve Act and creating the Federal Reserve, the third central bank in the history of the US
    •-Woodrow Wilson for using the Fed to finance World War 1
    •-Benjamin Strong, the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 1914-1928, for inflating the money supply in the ’20s to help out Great Britain which led to the Great Depression
    •-Herbert Hoover for his economic intervention from 1929-1932. He was not laissez-faire by any means.
    •-John Maynard Keynes for laying the foundation of a miseducated public
    •-FDR for banning private ownership of gold, enacting the New Deal, creating Social Security and Fannie Mae, and exacerbating the Great Depression
    •-The FDIC for lulling the American public into a false sense of security regarding their bank deposits and training the public to unquestionably trust the financial system
    •-LBJ for the guns and butter of the ’60s
    •-Nixon for severing all ties between the US dollar and gold
    •-Reagan’s intellectual duplicity, using free market, small government rhetoric while turning the US into a chronic debtor nation
    •-Alan Greenspan, one of the most duplicitous, arrogant, and incompetent individuals in the history of the United States. If I had to pin this crisis on any one man, it would be he.
    •-George W. Bush for cutting taxes while raising spending and his full embrace of Cheney’s doctrine of “deficits don’t matter”
    •-Ben Bernanke for following the Greenspan doctrine to its inevitable conclusion
    •-The heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for using artificially low borrowing costs to create systemically-dangerous housing institutions
    •-Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank for beating the socialist drum
    •-Christopher Cox for thinking a ban on short-selling will solve anything
    •-Hank Paulson for folding the hand he was dealt
    •-The ratings agencies for rubber stamping garbage assets as AAA
    •-The heads of the major banks and brokerages on Wall Street for turning a blind eye as their institutions were taking on massive leverage that threatens to take down the financial system
    •-The hedge funds that levered up structured finance to dangerous levels
    •-Generations of lawmakers for kicking the looming financial crisis can down the road
    •-Home buyers who lied about their income and creditworthiness
    •-Predatory lenders who put people into mortgages they could never afford

    Frankly, I don’t know where we go from here. Despite what government officials want, you cannot intervene your way to renewed credit and economic growth. The excesses of the past 25 years have come home to roost, and if we aren’t careful this country’s status as the hub of global capital markets and the holder of the world’s reserve currency will disappear.

    Freezing foreclosures, mandating artificially low mortgage rates, sweeping junk assets on bank balance sheets under a Level 3 rug, delaying the writedown of debt, pursuing a witch hunt against legitimate players in the capital markets, and having the government be the lender and borrower of last resort will do nothing other than recreate the mistakes of the 1930s. Short-selling isn’t taking down financial firms, overlevered balance sheets of bad assets is.

    This country has a lot of problems.

    We have made commitments, militarily and to future retirees, that we cannot keep. We have an aging infrastructure and a reliance on diminishing fossil fuels. And we have lost confidence in the principles that led to our rise as the beacon of the free world. But there is a lot to embrace as well. We have great traditions of freedom and entrepreneurship. We have an educated, skilled populace that wants to make a better world for our children. And we have an undying belief in the American Dream, that hard work and thrift make the rags to riches story a possibility. But if we are to thrive in the 21st century we must reject the failed ways of the recent and not so recent past and rediscover that which made those who came before us proud to be American”

  50. justautilityinfielder permalink
    September 20, 2008 1:36 pm

    It’s tiring how some want to put all the blame on that evil Bush and those evil Republicans. It’s never the Democrat’s fault even though they controll congress and can block any and everything Bush tries to do. Has Pelosi ever criticized her own party? She even defended that tax fraud Charles Rangel. Both sides caused the problem and all this finger pointing won’t solve anything. And just to note, I am an Independent.

    A question to anyone in general: Why do you care how much taxes the rich pay?

  51. rodmac permalink
    September 20, 2008 1:40 pm

    Curt, Why do you even bother? This is the People’s Republic of Massachusetts. This is a state which is so liberal that the voters consistently return some of the most corrupt legislators on the planet to office, as long as they claim to be liberal democrats. We, in this state have, along with a lottery, a tax on virtually anything you can think of. Yet the state is always claiming to be broke. Everything here is corrupt. The Mass. highways are a disgrace. Yet we supposedly allocate more per mile in highway maintenance then any other state except New Jersey. The big dig is a leaky abortion that’s now approaching 25 billion in costs. How do they respond to that fact?Easy, Raise the tolls and stuff it to the commuters coming from the west.

    The thing about these moon bat liberals is that they, like Karen for instance, simply invent or distort facts and mold them to their world view. And where it gets “Big Brother” scary is that they in their “superior intelligence” believe that we, the the great unwashed tax paying public, are to stupid to run our lives. Instead of addressing corruption in the state government, they pass nanny laws to dictate our own personal behavior. A great example of this is the 1998 Gun law which was foisted on us by the then state senator Cheryl Jacques. Read that one if you get a chance.

    High gun violence in the inner cities, was caused by zero parental supervision or responsibility, and easy access to illegally obtained guns from out of state. This was addressed by the Jacques gun, which went after legal law abiding gun owners instead. The idea was to make it very difficult or sometimes even impossible for honest citizens to own or carry firearms.
    However the law did absolutely nothing to address the illegal use of firearms used in crimes, or increase the penalties for such use. The fact is that the gun violence continues unabated in Boston. It’s only the law abiding gun owners who suffered
    BTW the supporters of this stupid law, like Mayor Menino and Rep. Lida Harkins refuse to address or acknowledge the fact that crimes and accidents committed by legal gun owners is so infinitesimal that it makes up only a tiny statistic in the annual FBI uniform crime reports.
    As a personal observation, I was a police officer for 32 years, and not once did I encounter a single incidence of a legal gun owner using a gun in a crime, and only once in an accident.
    But that’s only one example. Just look at how these clowns have eroded our rights in this state. There is a law against virtually anything you can think of. You can’t smoke anywhere. You can’t drink in public. You can’t ride in the back of a pickup truck. Neither can your dog.
    Curt you have to understand that you are pissing against the tide here.
    They are not going to listen to you or anyone else. They have their ideas and no matter how reasonable your argument, it will be ignored or distorted to fit their agenda.
    The idiots here, like Karen don’t want to hear about John McCain’s experience. So if forced to, they minimize and disparage it. Then they come up with phony selectively picked veterans who they claim back their distorted arguments.
    You called Karin a dope. She isn’t. She has a very narrow minded agenda and she’ll force it on anyone who will listen. What she does is shape and distort facts to fit her opinion, then resorts to insults and nit picking against opponents. She has probably no real life experience. She only reads papers or watches news programs which support her views.
    Like the peace nics of the 60’s she demands that she be heard, but shouts down or insults anyone who opposes her. But make no mistake. There are a whole lot of Karens in this state. That’s why Obama is going to win this state. And that’s why the entrenched liberal pols are going to stay in power here to create new beuracracies and continue to tax us into the stone age.

  52. bigbosspaez2000 permalink
    September 20, 2008 3:14 pm

    As a non-american, I’m from Colombia, I see this kind of politics to confrotational. Why do you judge the politics you make by comparing them to those of your opponent. Everything should be mesuere to itself, not to other stuff.

    If you asked me, I’d said that McCain is not the best candidate, just because it’s continuity and the U.S. needs change. Big change!

    So, I know most of you, and maybe even Curt himself, will think that I don’t know what I’m talking about, because I’m not an US citizen but living in a country like mine, with so much corruption and murder being done and with a goverment that not as legal as I’d like it to be, I can only see the many things that both countries have in common and, in few words, Colombians and U.S. Citizens are screwed. I you dont think so, you should be able to tell me that you think your goverment has made or the right desicions and made good to his people and to the rest of the world. I know none of you can say that. In fact, The U.S. has screwed most of the world in the past 8 years.

    Let’s just hope that you make the right desicion for the good of everybody.

  53. lughlamfada permalink
    September 20, 2008 4:35 pm


    With a PhD, I think I know what a citation is.

    Here’s your citation.

  54. rightcoasttech permalink
    September 20, 2008 8:43 pm


    You’ve always seemed like a guy who understands that ballplayers are ballplayers and not philosophers or economists.

    I think I speak for a lot of Sox fans when I say: please shut up.

    I’d love to hear your thoughts on the team and the game I love. You know a ton about baseball and I appreciate your frankness. But I don’t want to hear political opinions of a guy who graduated from junior college and then made millions playing a game.

  55. spawtyspice permalink
    September 21, 2008 1:24 am

    Bravo, Curt! To all you smart Obama supporters out there, I offer you this challenge and a question.

    The challenge: So my step-dad, a raging “democrat”, is screaming at me about something the week before last, spewing hate about Republicans, Bush (who, for all you smart people who haven’t figured it out yet, is NOT, repeat NOT running for President this election) and McCain calls me an idiot, a Republican wanna be (I’ve been one for nearly 20 years so I’m pretty sure I’m passed wanna be stage) and so forth. So I said to him, ‘why are you voting for Obama?’ It seemed like a good question. Being as how I am assaulted by him daily about McCain, I figured he could give me the run down about his choice. He starts screaming at me some more. So I said, as I say to all the irate anti-Bush Obama supporters out there, “why don’t you go read Obama’s plan for this country, topic by topic as I have [and yes, I really have done it!] and then come back and tell me why you’re voting for Obama.”
    My point is, most Obama supporters I know can’t tell me why they’re voting for Obama. They can only tell me that ‘they don’t want another Bush term [doh, who’s running again, people??] and that McCain wants to [fill in the blank] and this know this because Obama said so!’

    Whatever you are in life [a firefighter, union member, Red Sox fan, Dem, Rep or Ind], are you just like every other person who shares the same title as you? In other words, do you agree with every other Red Sox fan, member of your church, etc. about everything?

    I can tell you that I agree with fellow Red Sox fans that our team rocks and is awesome and am proud to be a fan. In a lot of cases, that is where our similarities end. My point is, it is just as absurd to assume that McCain is another Bush as it is to assume that Red Sox fans or Christians or any other group are all exactly the same in everyway. Think about it.

    I could go on for days politically but really, guys, Curt is entitled to his opinion. You wanna air yours all over, go create a blog and slam to your heart’s content. Ours are complex times and I believe it is the smart, prudent thing to do in challenging especially our young people who are, having witnessed this 1st hand, following their parents or their role models without question….always a dangerou thing to do.

  56. sacto128 permalink
    September 21, 2008 6:20 am

    I find it really sad that the Obama campaign is actually wanting to raise taxes for all the high achievers out there–it’s the high achievers that -made- the USA perhaps the greatest country in the history of the world. Let’s see how fast the “Hollywood Left” start screaming when they see substantially higher income tax bills if Obama is elected President.

    In fact, in the current economic situation the LAST thing we want is to start raising taxes–all that does is start a vicious cycle where people end up spending less because their take-home pay has been cut due to higher income and payroll taxes, which in turn lowers economic activity and forcing more people out of work. Maybe it’s time to considering scrapping our current tax system and switch to a true consumption-based tax system such as FairTax, a system that has a more reliable form of income generation, not to mention saving Americans at least US$265 billion per year in tax compliance costs!

  57. jonnyjbones permalink
    September 21, 2008 11:02 am

    “With a PhD, I think I know what a citation is.

    Here’s your citation.


    That was the funniest statement I have heard all day!

    Where and what did you get your PhD in? My guess is you have a PhD in Creationism from Liberty University.

  58. bdamon permalink
    September 21, 2008 2:37 pm

    Wow. The level of misinformation in this post is stunning. Many of the other commentors pointed it out.

    But I guess if you are getting your talking points from the McCain camp, then you are going to get this level of disinformation on purpose.

    I find it hilarious that Palin is supposed to be this new maverick while she refuses to testify and is ignoring subpeonas back in Alaska. More of the same.

    And as far as sitting down with our enemies, have you been paying attention? Where was Condelezza Rice a few weeks ago? LYBIA. Who had conversations with Iran… top level US diplomats. Even that talking point is old and tired…. just like McCain’s campaign.

  59. 38cantpitchnemore permalink
    September 21, 2008 6:18 pm

    You see the light yet curt? Id love the opportunity to debate you on the two candidates. If youre ever up for having your mind changed email,,,,,,,,, ill completely expose you and the republican agendca

  60. derekanmalo permalink
    September 21, 2008 6:24 pm

    hey man notf or nothing your a great pitcher and all but randy johnson is a legend….im still pissed you shared the comvp award with rany in 2001 that was horsecrap he deserved it a lone

    also what never gets talked about is randy johnson is the greatest free aganet signing for any team ever

    4years 4 cy young awards


    guys a legend

  61. beorning permalink
    September 21, 2008 8:10 pm

    Sigh. I admire you man. But though I’ll grant every citizen the right to his or her point of view, these fluffy talking-point skirmishes and bits of dogmatic thinking have become what your blog is about, and that’s just not cool with me any more. I don’t trust the Democrats, and at the same time I firmly believe that the only Americans who will continue to benefit from GOP rule in America are religious ideologues and people in your sky-high tax bracket. Which probably goes a long way toward explain why you’re a fervent supporter of McCain, just as Union Dude is no doubt a fervent supporter of Obama because he thinks he’ll get what HE wants that way as well.

    It’s all pitifully depressing to me. But more than anything, it’s tiresome and boring. Time to cancel my RSS feed and go back to living my life without Schillings GOP Talking Points of the Week (TM).

  62. heyitstodd permalink
    September 21, 2008 9:30 pm


    With a PhD, I think I know what a citation is.

    Here’s your citation.

    Now that you have provided a citation, I can show you that you are wrong for two reasons. First, your numbers do not match the table in at least some circumstances. For instance, here is your claim for a Single taxpayer earning $30,000:
    Bush – 15% rate, $4500 taxes
    Obama – 28% rate, $8400 taxes

    You have misread the table in the document you cited. Take another look at the right-hand side of the table. In the Current Code (aka pre-Bush), $30,000 puts you in the second row, with a 28% rate, or $8400. In the “Bush Plan” side of the table, $30,000 is in the 3rd row, with a rate of 25%, or $7500. So the gap would be 3%, or $900, not the 13% and $3900 difference you listed. You make the same tabular mis-read for your Married 60K listing. Bush’s total should be $15000, not $9,000, a 67% error.

    Secondly, you assume that “eliminating the Bush tax cuts” is the complete Obama tax proposal. If you go to the document I cited, you will see that it is not that simple. There are adjustments made to both the upper and lower ranges. Page 30 of the PDF shows the numbers in a similar tabular format.

    So, while you think Curt may have “hit the nail on the head”, your numbers have moved the nail and the head away from the hammer.

  63. heyitstodd permalink
    September 21, 2008 10:40 pm


    With a PhD, I think I know what a citation is.

    Here’s your citation.

    You may know what a citation is, but you didn’t include one after specifically saying we shouldn’t just trust you – so, I gave you a little grief about it.

    Now that you’ve supplied a citation, I can show you where you made two significant errors in your list, due to misreading of the tabular information. You seem to not have noticed that the earning ranges are not the same for the “Current Code” and “Bush Plan” – check again and you’ll see that $30K falls in the second row of the former, but third row of the latter. (I’ll refer to items in the format: Plan – filing status – earning – rate – taxes).

    Mistake #1:
    Your claim: Bush – Single – 30K – 15% – $4500
    Reality : Bush – Single – 30K – 25% – $7500

    Mistake #2:
    Your claim: Bush – Married – 60K – 15% – $ 9000
    Reality: Bush – Married – 60K – 25% – $15000

    So, your numbers for the lowest earners in the Bush totals are off by 66.6%, a rather significiant number. It closes the gap that you portrayed by a corresponding amount.

    Secondly, for some reason, you assume that “eliminating the Bush tax cuts” is the entirety of Obama’s tax plan. However, that is not true, as the Tax Policy Center Analysis shows. Open the full PDF from the page and go to page 30, and you will see that the plan is more progressive than that. You might not agree with it, but you should at least portray it accurately.

  64. September 21, 2008 11:32 pm

    It would be hard NOT to vote for McCain if he had chosen Mit as his boy. Palin is a lost cause.

  65. TheNorEaster permalink
    September 21, 2008 11:50 pm

    “How about Obama saying the surge didn’t work and wouldn’t work?”

    With all due respect, Curt, after five and a half years, people are extremely skeptical of The Iraq War–and what the Republicans say about it–in large part because President Bush had announced in 2005 that “major combat operations have ended.”

    “How about Obama saying we should negotiate with our enemies directly?”

    James A. Baker III, former Secretary of State under President Reagan, has said of this matter that “talking to our enemies is not appeasement.” Can you imagine the horror we would have had to endure if President Reagan had not negotiated directly with Gorbechev?

    “Obama has never sponsored or passed one significant bipartisan piece of

    I know that’s not true and I could easily look it up, but…It’s late. I’m tired. And I know you’ve probably heard of this before anyway and it won’t change who you’re going to vote for on November 4th so I’ll just say goodnight and…

    …GO RED SOX!!!

  66. badger99 permalink
    September 23, 2008 12:07 pm

    Conservative columnist George Will weighs in with a sobering perspective on McCain’s impetuousness. In this article, George makes a pretty convincing argument that McCain is just the type of personality that would make a pretty bad president…..and George Will normally toes the Republican line all the time. Quite scary.

  67. September 24, 2008 9:10 am

    Really? Can we stop repeating the talking points from candidates’ advisors? The retoric is mind numbing to say the least and to repeat it as if the talking points of the candidates were facts is seriously mind blowing.

    The fact are neither candidate has been especially truthful when describing the policies of the other. They deal in half truths and statements taken out of context. However, Sen. McCain has been horrendous with the truth in ads. Please use your influence to get McCain back onto the issues instead of the culture wars.

    Both candidates tax plans have merits, yet neither have plans that will solve our economic crisis. Neither have shown great leadership in these times.

    Please check your facts before making such erroneous statements.

  68. badger99 permalink
    September 24, 2008 4:32 pm

    And now McCain unilaterally declares that a scheduled debate is going to be postponed so that Congress can focus on the Wall St bailout? The more I hear, the more the George Will model of the impetuous, fire-from-the-hip personality of John McCain is rising to the surface.

    I’m sorry – but this guy is getting less and less impressive all the time. He isn’t acting like a president….he can’t spend time to communicate with the public AND engage in debate on the bailout? A debate isn’t important with the election so close? Thanks, Mr McCain – I guess my vote won’t be important to you.

  69. 38cantpitchnemore permalink
    September 24, 2008 8:03 pm

    Hi Curt Schilling,
    My name is Nicholas. I am 6 years old in first grade and I’m the biggest Red Sox fan. Go Sox! (transcribed by dad)

  70. September 25, 2008 10:33 pm

    I love how Schilling couldn’t even be bothered to reply to what this person said himself, so he e-mailed the McCain campaign about it. Also, I find it funny how the adviser from the McCain campaign just happened to gloss over the part about Palin.

    “I lean towards McCain and Palin because the seem like the lesser of two evils. It might be my religious back ground but Obama really scares me with his campaign.”
    That’s just sad. I hope this person was joking.

  71. lawyermama permalink
    September 28, 2008 12:06 pm

    Yeah, I can see how voting with the president 90% of the time would make you a “maverick.” Just b/c Senator McCain says it – or his campaign does – doesn’t make it true.

    Why should we believe John “the fundamentals of our economy are still strong” McCain?

    I’m from a military family, with a loved one over there fighting right now. I simply don’t trust McCain as the CIC, particularly after his stunningly bad judgment in selecting Palin.

    Try doing your own research next time, instead of relying on the McCain spin masters to do it for you.

  72. xomandy122 permalink
    October 1, 2008 3:17 pm

    Thanks for posting, Curt, even with all the crap you’re getting back!!


  73. warbler44 permalink
    October 4, 2008 12:17 am


  74. warbler44 permalink
    October 4, 2008 12:28 am

    GO SOX

  75. 38cantpitchnemore permalink
    October 4, 2008 6:46 am

    Hey Curt

    I just woke up and was watching CNN. They were running a piece about the VP debate and the “untruths”that were being uttered by both candidates. One particular lie by Palin came up that I found interesting. It basically parroted the McCain advisors lie that was posted about Obama voting 94 times to raise taxes in his stint as senator. CNN states that the vast majority articles that Obama was voting in favor of WOULD NOT have raised taxes. It was just republican spin. Just wanted to clarify that for the readers out there. Thanks


  76. mxyztlplk permalink
    October 7, 2008 12:19 pm


    Can you really be pleased that:

    1. John McCain (aka the “maverick”) made such a cynically political VP choice as Sarah Palin.

    I’m very concerned that if she should become president (way within the realm of possibility considering that McCain is a 72 y.o. cancern survivor), that she will be controlled and manipulated by the ultra rightwing part of the republican party.

    This is a candidate who could not name a supreme court decision other than Roe v. Wade, is against abortion even in the case of rape or incest (an extremely cruel viewpoint) and couldn’t name one magazine she reads.

    She speaks in platitudes and recites talking points. Is this a person whom you want one heartbeat away from the presidency?

    Do you want a president who can’t put a sentence together? Who speaks in gibberish? (Oh, wait a minute…we already have that)

    2. McCain told us just over a week ago, that the economy is “fundamentally sound”…if he didn’t believe this, he was lieing. If he did, he’s almost delusional.

    3. After saying that he wouldn’t stoop to the level of personal attacks that is all he and Sarah are doing.

    I admire some of the things about McCain that you do. I can barely tolerate a dental filling, much less the horror he experienced.

    But I respectfully disagree with your choice of a candidate.

  77. October 8, 2008 7:30 pm

    Why I am voting for Obama? Because last night in the Presidential Debate he said exactly how I feel.

    Health Care in the US should be a RIGHT! Not a RESPONSIBILITY! John McCain said it’s a responsibility!

    Sorry but you are wrong Curt Schilling. You have more money than God compared to the average American. You can afford any medical care in Boston.

    But the average person gets $12k/year benefit from their employer to be taxed by John McCain. To offset this it we will be given a $5k tax credit. Great. All it means is companies don’t have to offer group medical plans.

    Why is that a problem? Do you know what will happen to people who are uninsurable? They will get screwed. McCain has NOT addressed this because he doesn’t want to say I am going to push 20 Million more people into being uninsured. Heck if he told the TRUTH, people would blast him!

    I am in that group. My Dear Husband and I make good money. We are young, healthy, not overweight, exercise, don’t smoke, and don’t drink. My Dear Husband has Retinitis Pigmenosa. I doubt he’ll be covered by insurance. Actually we’re pretty sure he won’t.

    Where will we be without insurance? We won’t make enough to afford any and all treatment, but we are too rich for a government handout. And we will be in more dire straits than we are now.

    So yes Healthcare is a Right, not a responsibility. And that fundamental difference explains why I will vote for Obama. Because I don’t believe healthcare is a responsibility, it’s a right.

  78. showdownvc permalink
    October 9, 2008 4:25 pm

    What a thoroughly embarrassing blog post. Thanks, I suppose, for quoting a completely biased source rather than doing the fact-checking on your own. The section you so helpfully bolded was easily debunked in 10 seconds on

  79. auxiliary1 permalink
    October 9, 2008 9:51 pm

    Let’s all get Mavricky (SNL joke) in here.
    NBC posted that with the tax plan for McCain, tax break was around $300, Obama was around $1,000.
    This was after the vice president debate I believe.

    Do you want to chane the man kicking the bucket and Palin move in with her husband joe six pack and run the place?

    I would vote for anyone. I’m not a die hard democrat, hell I would vote for Ron Paul if he had a chance. I believe in voting for the right person, but not throwing it away for the principle.

  80. jbol44 permalink
    October 10, 2008 10:34 am

    What’s up Curt, you’re a great American.

    Thanks for being one of the few athletes to come out and support McCain. I wish more athletes did that. I am just making a guess here, but I see Wakefield, Beckett, Timlin, and Drew (and a few others on the Sox) as being conservatives. Tell those guys to come out and support McCain, that would be awesome. Anyways, let’s pray for a big comeback for McCain to grab the white house on Nov 4th. Could be a great day, or a very sad day in American history.

    Also important to note, the polls taken tend to lean more democrat. What I mean is that the pollsters tend to ask more democrats than republicans. So with that said, the polls may be inflated in Obama’s favor. Another reason to not panic for us conservatives.

  81. jjd49 permalink
    October 15, 2008 11:20 pm

    I absolutely agree with jbol44- You are a great American and I wish there were more athletes like you out there too!! And thank you for all the great posts!

  82. wadecounty1 permalink
    October 16, 2008 8:28 pm

    I need help everyone. This is my first time on the website, and i joined for one reason. (well i also like Curt)

    MLB has moved back Game 6 of the World Series a few minutes to provide air time for an Obama ad. I think this is rediculous and not right. This makes it look like MLB is promoting one candidate and thats wrong. Not to mention that baseball is America’s pastime, and we know who America’s political party is. (GOP)

    I would like to try and spread the word, and tell everyone to boycott game 6 of the World Series. I dont know how much of an effect this well have, possibly on ratings?!?!? But it is the only thing i can think of.

    I am going to try and call the 2 radio shows that i listen to in the morning and afternoon. (Sid Rosenberg and Dan LeBatard, 790 the ticket) I will hope that fellow Republicans will hear me on the airwaves and do the same thing. If anyone has any suggestions, please post a comment. I will be checking back to the website in a few hours and tomorrow to see if anyone agrees with me.

    Curt Schilling, please help us out. We need to open peoples eyes. Obama is showing to much of a lead and the last thing we need is undecided voters that are going to watch the World Series, to watch this Obama ad. Curt, you are the first person i thought of when i heard this. I’ve always seen and heard that you have openly supported the Republican party and its views. Please try and help.

    Thanks and regards,



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