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April 18, 2008

You just cannot throw a ball BEHIND someone when you are trying to throw a strike, or even a ball in. A stray breaking ball sure, but that’s even rare to impossible. A ball sailing behind a hitter, one that’s hit 2 bombs, is a ball being thrown at a guy.

The rule in place now gives umpires authority to eject a pitcher if for any reason he suspects a hitter is intentionally thrown at. How that didn’t happen with a veteran guy like Larry Vanover is beyond me.

The problem today is that the rule is so ambiguous, and you really have no idea what is going to happen from umpire to umpire (being that I have seen umpires eject pitchers for hitting batters with curve balls) that it’s almost a case where hitting a player in retaliation is almost more selfish and irresponsible than not. It used to be a very clear cut process, no matter how infantile, you purposely throw at our guy, we get one of yours, game over. Now it seems that you need to be the FIRST to do it, to avoid ejections and suspensions, and that’s with the hope that the umpire won’t just eject anyone and everyone he thinks is involved.

I understand the leagues desire to curb all the bench clearing crap being the motivator to give the umpires the ability to head problems off before they start, but tonight was a clear cut scenario that the rule was specifically created for, absolutely no doubt.

When you see the hitters the next inning acting very skittish and tentative on the 1st pitches of ABs you know that they know what’s going on.

At the end of the day, we win, so it’s all good, and there’s still 140 some games to play…….

86 Comments leave one →
  1. rodmac permalink
    April 22, 2008 11:02 am

    I agree with fanofallthingsboston. The “Yankees suck” chant has to go. It makes the Boston fans look like a bunch of childish punks. I love the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry, but it’s supposed to be fun. As much as I dislike the Yankees I don’t by any means think they suck. They are made up of very good professional ball players trying to do their job. It’s much better for the rivalry that the Yankees field good competitive teams. It’s more satisfying to see the Red Sox beat a good team than a bunch of doormats.
    There has always been a rivalry between Boston and New York but lately it has become nasty. And the vitriol shown by the Boston fans is embarrassing and very unsportsmanlike.
    Come on folks. Root for the Red sox and boo the Yankees but show a little class. How do you think this “Yankees Suck” thing looks to kids when they see grown-ups, even their own parents, acting like a bunch of mean spirited idiots?
    Rod

  2. game6sockwasfake permalink
    April 22, 2008 3:50 pm

    way to remind eople you are still alive…

    2003 pedro martinez had jeter and soriano leave the game on the way to the hospital… no warnings… no ejections

    good for farnsworth… you guys have gotten away with it for years but because the microscope is always pointed at the pinstripes instead of the ketchup on your ankle this is what happens

    wouldnt try to scare anyonewith your 87 mph heat – mussina sure had no effect on ellsbury…

  3. warbler44 permalink
    April 22, 2008 4:08 pm

    Where have you gone Bob Gibson ?

  4. thedoctorx permalink
    April 22, 2008 5:51 pm

    Someone change game6‘s diaper.

    –J.D.

  5. April 23, 2008 8:32 am

    game6sockwasfake, what a pathetic name and a pathetic post.

  6. phapha permalink
    April 23, 2008 1:19 pm

    Hey FireDannyAinge,

    Reading your posts makes wonder if you ever get out of your mothers basement. You are a schmuck.

    I will say it to your face too. Lewis’ bar and grill, Saturday 2:00pm.

    I’ll be the one with the Celtics on.

    See ya

  7. phapha permalink
    April 23, 2008 1:22 pm

    Hey FireDannyAinge

    Lewis’ is in Norwood, MA.

  8. thedoctorx permalink
    April 24, 2008 6:26 am

    What did he do to you, phapha, to merit t3h D34dly Int3rw3bs Ch4113ng3?

    I mean, if you do not like his user-id, you can, hopefully “point and laugh” at him when the Celtics win the next 10 games.

    –J.D.

  9. tommybloggingsports permalink
    April 24, 2008 9:51 am

    @warbler44 – Where have you gone Bob Gibson ?

    I was thinking the SAME THING!!!!

    Of course, if Bob Gibson played in today’s game, he would be considered brash, a hothead, and a thug on the mound. He would probably face quite few fines, suspensions, you name it.

    No, I think it is best that Gibby played when he did.

  10. gonzolane permalink
    April 24, 2008 4:42 pm

    As a diamondbacks fan, I still say Ben Davis should have gotten one ‘thrown behind him’.

  11. FireDannyAinge permalink
    April 24, 2008 5:57 pm

    WOW, Beating the Hawks. Something to brag about.lol

    Phapha until you can learn to write the human language I will laugh at you.
    Danny Ainge should have been fired years ago. He doesn’t get credit for getting Garnett. McHale is inept.

    Do you need me to draw you a map to the TD Bank North Garden so your bandwagon can get their safely?

  12. April 24, 2008 7:06 pm

    “One of your other readers said I was taking the Duo of Dungs’ comments out of context and that they don’t really mean what they joke about – can you tell me what is funny about rape, molestation and bigotry?”

    I can tell you how funny and ridicolous you sound

  13. fivekatz permalink
    April 24, 2008 9:13 pm

    Wow. Pretty extreme posts. Schill’s post IMHO pointed out that both teams become hamstrung once the warning is issued. And the judgement is fuzzy.

    AS a fan I’d be the first to say I am probably the least balanced person to comment on intent, because Pedro NEVER meant to hurt anyone, and the lord knows that Roger Clemens never did either until he left the moral warmth of the RS.

    In the end I think the real issue here is that the players should regardless of the desire to win respect each others careers. The NHL went through an ugly 5 years where guys destroyed careers with cheap shots.

    The game has to have some balance between guys that hang over the plate with a full compliment of armor and throwung at a players head. And even worse what many fans never got about the anger that the NYY had about Petey in 2003 or Farnworst’s throw at Manny is throwing head high just behind a guys head. Because as that pitch comes at a player that player is hoing to move backwards.

    Manny handled it perfectly and so did the RS. But as far as the greater geographic battle between pitcher and hitter, so long as hitters are going to be allowed to dress like NHL goalies, they have no right to charge the mound when the infringe on the pitchers space. And when that hitter goes nuts he should dealt with harsh;y.

    When a pitcher OTOH throws behind a players head, he needs ro leave the game bevause whether his control sucks or his judgement sucks, he sucks.

    JUst my take.

    Marc

  14. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    April 24, 2008 9:23 pm

    thedoctorx

    you don’t really believe the celtics are gona win 10 straight do you?

    WOW!!! STRONG STATEMENT DUDE. i love to bet that one:).

  15. April 25, 2008 4:07 am

    Barry Bonds has not been convicted of anything. He has not been accused of betting on games or throwing games. Barry Bonds has not been accused of assaulting anyone. Barry Bonds has been accused of not being a nice guy by the media, but is that a crime?

    Barry Bonds has been accused of not telling the truth to a grand jury investigating BALCO. Barry Bonds does not own BALCO and does not distribute steroids on behalf of BALCO.

    Why was the grand jury investigating Barry Bonds? Weren’t they supposed to be investigating BALCO? How did that “investigation” of BALCO turn into a witch hunt directed against MLB players? Clearly, BALCO wasn’t the real target in the racist campaign against Barry Bonds.

    I am my union’s delegate to the New York City Central Labor Council. During my union work, I have been a grievance representative. As such, I have often represented union members who have been brought up on charges for both minor and major infractions.

    Members could get fired for directly disobeying an order or for incompetence or for various serious infractions. The only time that the member faced suspension, however, was when the member posed an immediate danger.

    What “immediate danger” to Major League Baseball does Barry Bonds pose, that requires Barry Bonds’ suspension prior to a decision in Bonds’ upcoming trial?

    In fact, wouldn’t the presence of Barry Bonds on a Major League Baseball team roster – the Baltimore Orioles, for instance – be an immediate big boost to that team’s attendance as well as a big boost to their chances of winning?

    In effect, MLB teams are willing to lose money rather than hire Barry Bonds. Isn’t that the definition of a “blacklist”? The actors, singers, directors etc. who were “blacklisted” during the McCarthy era witch hunt were money makers for the entertainment industry, yet no owner would hire them! Isn’t that exactly what is happening with Barry Bonds?

    Weren’t many of these talented performers indicted and some convicted for refusing to cooperate with grand juries and dragged before government staged hearings in front of hundreds of cameras and reporters?

    Years later many of those “blacklisted” were apologized to, but did that apology make up for the destruction of their livelihoods and their personal lives during the McCarthy “blacklisting”? Of course not!

    I have a special disgust for the owners of the San Francisco Giants. They made millions off of Barry Bonds. They were able to build a money making stadium based, to a great extent, on Barry Bonds. Where is their gratitude? Nowhere!

    He was their star player who was loved by the fans in the Bay area, yet the SF Giants team owners shamefully released Barry Bonds after the 2007 season so as to do their part in the “blacklisting”! They deserve a Hall of Shame of their own!

    Years from now, when Major League Baseball is forced to apologize to Barry Bonds for their actions, that apology will never make up for the crime that Major League Baseball is inflicting today on Barry Bonds and on the many fans who admire the athletic greatness that Barry Bonds has been as a player.

    I also admire him for his unbending, “in your face” attitude during constant attacks from the big business media, especially the sports talk radio and cable channels that have to fill 24-hour-a-day air time by creating controversy and scandal where there would have been little or none before those media outlets were created.

    I appeal to the fans of Major League Baseball to bombard their team owners with letters and emails and petitions demanding that their team hire Barry Bonds.

    Imagine, for instance, Barry Bonds added to the roster of the woeful offense of the Baltimore Orioles.

    Imagine the magical confrontations in the American League East with David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez at Fenway Park and Camden Yards and with Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter at Yankee Stadium and Camden Yards.

    Wouldn’t that do wonders for attendance for a Baltimore Orioles franchise that has been down in the dumps for so long?

    An historic wrong is being committed by the owners. Do we want to have a posthumous apology to Barry Bonds, as was done for Jim Thorpe, or do we correct this wrong NOW? Barry Bonds is this era’s Babe Ruth.

    He’s the biggest star in our national pastime.

    I appeal to the fans to help us right this wrong. I want to see Barry Bonds playing baseball in 2008!

    To all concerned fans: Perhaps you could use the above as a petition circulated at stadiums or handed out at stadium gates. While ending the Iraq occupation and fighting for a moratorium on home foreclosures take precedence, I know that millions of you will still be in attendance at MLB games.

    While there, couldn’t you also do your part in fighting against the shameful “blacklisting” of Barry Bonds, the greatest hitter in Major League Baseball history?

  16. sportfanatic48 permalink
    April 25, 2008 10:23 am

    Agree with everything you say Curt. I’m a Mets fan and I really want the BoSox to cream the Yankees in the AL East. Also for all people hyped about the NFL Draft go to sportfanatic48.wordpress.com.

  17. thedoctorx permalink
    April 26, 2008 7:23 am

    wr:

    Chemical Ali would like to see you . . . he says he needs an “apologist.”

    tigersrulebaseball:
    :)

    Glad someone caught that!

    –J.D.

  18. nleastchamps07 permalink
    April 26, 2008 10:51 am

    I too was at that Bowie BaySox game and as my friend jacobyisabeast46 said above, the name sounded familiar. Being a born and raised a Phillies fan, i hated to see Curt go. But you just do not do that a pitcher, no matter who it may be. Thank you Ben Davis. I’m glad to see your career has really been strong. Enjoy the rest of your years in the bus leagues.

  19. April 26, 2008 1:24 pm

    Farnsworth’s throw was intentional, just as Aardsma’s was intentional. It’s part of the game. All that we really learned from this incident is that we’ve discovered another thing Farnsworth is bad at, not to mention his 3 HRs in 10.1 innings over 9 appearances.

  20. warbler44 permalink
    April 27, 2008 2:10 am

    noone is going to have to apologize to barry bonds. Hes a liar and he was caught lying in a federal investigation. also balco was pushing illegal drugs and bonds was their willful junky.

    why do people tolarate and defend lying to their face?

  21. daegu07 permalink
    April 27, 2008 8:27 am

    Ah, so many things to comment on. Firstly, as an ex- amatuer umpire, I can fully understand why umps will give a quick heave-ho on intentional HBP or attempted HBP, but I can’t understand why on earth an ump wouldn’t…. why would an ump not toss a pitcher on something so obvious is just allowing a possible fiasco to blow up in his face and losing control of the game– a Cardinal sin for the blue team.
    Second, as a life-long Red Sox fan for almost 40 years- I’ve always hated the “Yankees Suck”chant, especially when my kids were young and present. No one hates the Yankees more than I do, but hearing people yell that is an embarrassment to me, and to hear it in the background on national / internationally televised games (I’m on assignment in Korea for a year- and many Sox games are shown here) it makes me cringe. Guys & gals, you can’t say your the classiest fans with this behavior going on. Let’s clean it up or else come up with some other form of verbal taunting (Hey, a contest would be pretty good !).
    Lastly, you got to be kidding about Bonds, he was great when he was young, but in no way was he the greatest hitter. His cheating put him in a position of greatness that he really should never had been in. It will all come out in the end– you’ll see.
    As for Mr. Schilling— hurry back
    and of course– GO SOX

  22. BeRiGaN 5 tHe ReTuRn permalink
    April 28, 2008 4:28 am

    Hey Curt, someone mentioned that you were deeply involved with ALS, perhaps you might have some suggestions, or can point us in the best direction.

    I have a friend, Dale, who’s 40 and was diagnosis with ALS about 2 years ago. He stopped working soon after that.

    He lives in a small town in Georgia, Barnesville is the name. He can still get around with a cane, but needs help with cleaning clothes, showering, etc.

    Well, his 80 something year old Mother, can get around just fine, but doesn’t want to be bothered with Dale and his problems anymore, and wants him out of the house!

    Dale has applied for SSI, but has been turned down at least once(I think the first time he applied, the backwater Doc didn’t know exactly what it was he had) but a specialist in Atlanta did confirm that he has ALS, and “normally” it starts right after that…but it hasn’t. He has a lawyer supposedly working on the case, but the lawyer sure seems to be in no rush. Dale has tried to contact his congressman, and supposedly he too is trying to do something. Perhaps any day now, he will hear it’s started. But it hasn’t yet.

    My Dad talked to Dale Saturday, and said he hasn’t showered in 2 weeks, and is afraid to leave the house, since he said his Mother has changed the locks!

    Dale hasn’t been as proactive as he should have been all along, I had to call the local chapter for him a year or so ago, and they have a nurse come out and check on him every 3 weeks I believe( I was told there are only 3-4 nurses to check on patients at home, in the whole state!!!)

    I have the flu myself, can’t sleep, just thinking about how Dale might just end it all now…I know if my Mom had ever turned her back on me, when I needed her the most, I wouldn’t feel like going on…so, any suggestions???

    Should I check into a hospice for a temporary living situation??? Dale doesn’t have insurance … as soon as the SSI kicks in, and they should pay back to when he no longer could work…are there any non ALS organizations(MDA related) that might deal with this sort of problem…family unwilling or unable to help someone with a progressive disease???

    I feel like I am grasping at straws right now, but chances are someone has an idea I haven’t thought of yet….

    Thanks,
    Conrad.

  23. thedoctorx permalink
    April 28, 2008 4:49 am

    tigersrulebaseball:

    Okay . . . the next ten games.

    –J.D.

  24. 2004and2007 permalink
    April 28, 2008 8:26 am

    aardsma has horrible control!!! how many walks does he have?? he did not hit a-rod on purpose! Farnsworth hit manny on purpose!!

  25. thedoctorx permalink
    April 28, 2008 5:38 pm

    warbler44: why do people tolarate and defend lying to their face?

    Why do they go to church?

    They want to believe.

    –J.D.

  26. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    April 28, 2008 9:35 pm

    thedoctorx

    well, they have a good enough team to pull that off, but don’t think so in the NBA, wouldn’t mind if they won it though, kinda been a fan since the days of bird and co. and how could anybody not like kevin garnett? just hope he can stay healthy.

  27. alsbenefit permalink
    April 28, 2008 11:00 pm

    Hi Curt –

    We’re writing on a different note… We have a friend who has advancing stages of ALS and we know this is a charity near to your heart and the hearts of the Phillies organization.

    Would you be able to point us to the right people to arrange a personal appearance by you or possibly one of the Phillies for a community benefit on Sunday, June 29th, 2008? The event will be held in Bucks County, near Philly.

    Any help you may have for us would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks
    Marty

  28. daegu07 permalink
    April 29, 2008 8:26 am

    Say it isn’t so Rog !

  29. sboyajian permalink
    April 29, 2008 1:41 pm

    This has nothing to do with Farnsey..

    Just thought you should know, the link to Curtspitch.org on this blog entry is wrong:

    http://38pitches.com/2008/04/06/curts-pitch-links-and-random-thoughts/#more-168

    you have it there as curt’spitch.org (both as the link and the a tag).

    Best of luck in rehab friend.. hope to see you on the mount in August with strong for another fantastic October.

  30. thedoctorx permalink
    April 29, 2008 5:48 pm

    tigersrulebaseball:

    Okay . . . how about the next ten games? :(

    Good points. Of course, if you do not play the game, you do not win. There are no guarantees in sports as you know.

    –J.D.

  31. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    April 30, 2008 8:17 pm

    thedoctorx:

    love to see a celtic, laker final, gona be hard for the lakers to get by the spurs, same goes for the celtics to get by the pistons.

  32. thedoctorx permalink
    May 1, 2008 3:04 am

    tigersrulebaseball:

    Hey! The Celtics just have to now win the next nine games! :)

    Seriously, I am sure various pundits want a Celtics-Lakers final as much as they want to see a Red Sox-Yankees ALCS every year, but as you say, it is not going to be easy.

    Detroit may not make it either. . . .

    –J.D.

    P.S. Some damn good starting pitching. Hope the flu is done with the line-up and the “bats” wake up. Understood that the opponents have had some good pitching as well, but I gather it has to be frustrating to Clay, Josh, and Dice-K to pitch phenomenally and not get a win.

  33. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    May 1, 2008 9:16 pm

    Thedoctorx:

    Well, i don’t think you’ll see a Redsox, Yankee ALCS this year, Hopefully are teams, FINALLY were hitting, getting close to sweeping the Yankees, I love it! They have alot of injuries, So i don’t know how fair it is, You guy’s are gona be tough to beat, If you’re pitching gets healthy. Now i see you aren’t hitting, Better wake up, Rays comming to town………..Good Luck.

  34. thedoctorx permalink
    May 3, 2008 4:21 am

    tigersrulebaseball:

    I hope so too! I hope the MFYs are watching the ALCS from their various plasma and HD televisions.

    –J.D.

  35. game6sockwasfake permalink
    May 3, 2008 12:16 pm

    2004and2007:
    aardsma has horrible control!!! how many walks does he have?? he did not hit a-rod on purpose! Farnsworth hit manny on purpose!!

    hey 04/07…

    you should take the tag off that shiny 07 WS champion jacket and start watching actual games… no one hit #24 (insert time for you to look up who i am talking about)

    keep starting those “yankees s*ck” chants at the supermarket

  36. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    May 8, 2008 9:33 pm

    TheDoctorx:

    I just watched the sox beat our team 3 out of 4, You have a great team, And are gona be hard to beat, I just hope we can win our division, If we don’t start hitting it’s gona be a long season.

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