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Innocent until proven guilty?

December 20, 2007

Ok I get that. We all get that and anyone that actually read the post will understand that I was not saying Roger used, I’ve never said that. My comment was that as a fan, as someone that he made a major impact on, given the circumstances surrounding his personal trainer and the testimony he gave. I want him to find a way to make me believe he didn’t use. He doesn’t have to, he could care less what I think. As I stated when I posted the piece, it was my opinion and mine only.

I can only go on the information at hand, and the article below is written by someone I vaguely know but who obviously knows the ‘rat’ so many people have no trouble calling out. How is his integrity and credibility any more or less relevant than anyone else’s involved here?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/15/AR2007121501111.html

This guy randomly threw two of the games best pitchers under the bus with no credibility? I am not giving more or less credibility to either side of this situation but as of today we have a guy who has a former player defending his credibility and integrity, and a current player admitting to the very thing this man testified to. The last part of this is the third person refuting any and all allegations.

In the court of public opinion our country is the exact opposite of innocent until proven guilty. That doesn’t make it right, but it does make it what it is. I am trying as hard as I can to rationalize the situation but I am wrestling with what I’ve heard, seen, and think with the reality of what’s out there.

What was your first thought when you saw OJ driving his Bronco down the freeway in a high speed chase?

You are right, it’s not on me to pass judgment, which I wasn’t, I was offering my opinion. This is my blog, I can do that. Please delete the link and stop searching for the site if you don’t care or hate me, it’s really that easy.

I stated it in the post, and some of you dopes still want to use that as a reason for the post itself. I am not even one ounce jealous of what Roger Clemens has achieved. Through this past week I’ve always been in awe of it. There isn’t a Clemens argument that’s been had in my presence that I was not 100% on his side of the table. Are you dumb enough or lacking other options to argue that you’d use that as a reason? I’ve been the 2nd man on the totem pole behind 3 of the best pitchers of my generation. Randy, Pedro and Josh.

I’m ok with that. I had my chance and my time. Those guys were, and are, better than me. That doesn’t pain me in any way to say, because it’s true. If you can’t get that I feel sorry for ya.

I am not preaching from a pulpit, I am talking from a vantage point of a player who understands the relationships that exist in this game between personal trainers and players, clubhouse guys and others. I am speaking from a vantage point of a player who has never in his life ingested HGH or steroids to enhance performance. I don’t cringe to admit to something that’s true and I have not done.

Anyone that’s looked at any of my past posts knows that I also have no issues admitting to being wrong or screwing up, it happens.

My post was my reaction to the Mitchell Report and my desire as a lifelong fan and pupil of Roger Clemens to have him clear his name. You can argue the innocent until proven guilty angle all day long, and legally you would be right, but like just about every single one of you I make opinions and judgments on people without seeing a court decision handed down.

Does Roger have to clear his name? Hell no he doesn’t. If he doesn’t care about the statements in the report and how they reflect on him then I don’t need to be the one to tell you he can do what he wants.

I want him to clear his name because I want to believe that everything he’s done has been because of the legendary work ethic and otherworldly skills he’s always possessed. I want him to clear his name because I selfishly want to be able to say the greatest pitcher of all time had a major influence on me on and off the field. His using PEDs, if it turns out to be the truth, will change my opinion of what he’s done and how he’s done it.

As far as taking back awards, I look at that in a simple fashion. We either move on, totally, and say that every number put up through the 2007 should be respected and held as a completely true reflection of the game, or you can piece meal who and what you think did what, when, and try and assess which are and are not real numbers. Or, you could say that any player caught cheating or admitting to it should have any statistics erased, any awards won rescinded from that period forward unless they can prove they were not using PED’s after they were caught. Their numbers would just go away. Would it create some weirdness? Sure it would. But going forward you would offer up that any player caught would be subject to mandatory testing from blood to urine if they wanted to have their achievements logged as real and be eligible for the hall of fame.

Take away all personal awards won by players caught cheating or that have admitted to use, one time. Re-gift all the personal awards (such as Canseco’s 88 MVP) to the runners up, and be done with it. Going forward you test as best as you possibly can within the confines of the CBA with players understanding a failure means not being eligible for awards or hall of fame consideration unless they can prove they are clean every month for the rest of their careers.

At the end of the day are you truly concerned you might offend someone that cheated?

586 Comments leave one →
  1. rlazarski permalink
    December 20, 2007 12:58 pm

    I agree with you Curt and I’ve always been a Red Sox nut for well over 50 years. My only comment is that maybe you should have waited to say anything abut the Clemens drug thing.

    God Bless you abnd yours and get in shape for next season –

  2. depsean permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:01 pm

    You cheat, you should pay the consequences, bottom line. I too hope that Roger can clear his name but for some reason I don’t see it happening. It has to be difficult to prove something wrong from the past, its a he says she says type of deal. It will take a lot to clear such allegations but if he can do it, more power to him. If he did in fact cheat, he should man up and admit to his wrong doings.

  3. calio4life permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:01 pm

    Curt,

    Your a great pitcher with quite an ego. I’m not trying to be critical or anything but maybe some of our baseball greats just need to approach the whole mitchell report with a grain assault. You always seem to have something to say, even if it has nothing to do with you. I am a huge fan and would be an even bigger fan if you just kept your mouth shut. No offense but it’s really given you a reputation of being very ignorant. I know how you feel but just please shut up!

  4. schillinghater permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:03 pm

    NO DOUBT C SCHILLING IS NOTHING BUT JEALOUS OF ROGER CLEMENS.
    HE COULD NEVER BE HALF THE PITHCHER/PLAYER THAT ROGER CLEMENS IS, WITH OR WITHOUT CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES!!!!!!! WHEN WILL HE EVER WIN A CY YOUNG AWARD? NEVER — BECAUSE HE IS THE MOST OVERRATED PITCHER IN THE MLB. GIVE IT UP C SCHILLING, RETIRE AND GO HOME WITH YOUR BUDDY GEORGE W, YOU’LL BE IN GOOD COMPANY SINCE YOU BOTH PUBLICLY SPEAK LIKE 5TH GRADERS.

  5. svensheraton permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:04 pm

    To me Curt and John Smoltz are prime examples of hard throwers who have that natural gift of being able to pitch into their later years…the players who enhanced their game by compromising their health and by breaking laws should be taken from the books…

    I believe asking Roger to come clean about these allegations and prove that he is not a liar, cheat, and criminal is completely appropriate. Especially if you care an ounce about the guy.

  6. macrich2 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:07 pm

    I’m a longtime Phils fan. Always admired Curt. However, his actions at the 03/05 Congressional Hearing were really bad. Treated Canseco as a liar while sitting next to 3 players who were cheaters. Said he didn’t know or hear about any players taking/using performance enhancing drugs. This is ridiculous. Was he asleep? I thought he was a hypocrite then and he really owes Canseco a deep apology. If it wasn’t for him (and his book) this whole sordid mess might never had come to light. Shame Curt!

  7. mrbaseballtomselleck permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:07 pm

    Hey Curt, just wanted to pint out that you weren’t, and are no longer #2 on the totem pole last season. I’d put you #3 at best. Now go eat some pizza and think of what garbage you can dream up next to attract attention to your fading star. Maybe another bloody sock??

  8. samson65 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:11 pm

    I was truely impressed. I am a devoted twins fan from Minnesota. (although not happy with them currently) But you, Kruck, Dykstra, that’s what got me into baseball. Alas, I quit at age 30, (2 years ago) softball and coaching jr high ball is my involvement.
    I thought this would be nothing more than a rant on your part, but to my surprise (and delight) this was excellent.
    I am in the camp that our media villifies people way to soon, innocient until PROVEN guilty, not assumed guilty, but you had a lot of maerial to back up your opinion. I can honestly say I AGREE with you.
    This was well thought out, full of material to back up your opinion, and written by someone who has first hand knowledge.

    You cemented you spot as my all-time favorite pitcher!! (#2 is Frankie Viola, not a shock from a twins fan who grew up in the 80’s and 90’s.)

    Thank you for your contribution to the greatest sport I ever played!
    SAMSON

  9. December 20, 2007 1:13 pm

    I used to think that Roger Clemens was a class act. No longer. why? Simple; he had to get his attorney (and no doubt a PR mouthpiece) to approve his statement before he issued that statement THREE DAYS after Clemens was named.

    Amazing.

    Did you use steroids? *^%# No! You jacka%% motherf&*_@*#.

    That’s how you respond IF YOU ARE INNONCENT.

    Hey Roger, you should take a look at the clip of Jim Everett on Jim Rome’s show. This is how you respond: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57W05-oopNA . You don’t wait till you get approval from your Mommy.

    90’s ball players = juiced cheaters. Period.

  10. tombl permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:14 pm

    What a pompous, self-centered jerk you are. If the Mitchell Report is 10% accurate, PED’s were prevelent in MLB for years. Funny how you never got outraged until Mitchell put the spotlight on the issue. I can’t find any stories about you putting the finger on anyone. Do you suppose that maybe YOU benefitted from your teammates’ illegal usage even IF you’re clean? Maybe some teammates used PED’s and helped your teams win a few games? That would equate to $$$ to you, would it not? I’m certain that what was injected into your ankle before those WS games wasn’t B-12. Didn’t THAT help YOU get back on the field and help your team? I used to be a big fan of yours. Listening to you talk a great game while having DONE nothing over the years about this problem makes you look pretty bad….Curt. Your credibility is zero. Give us some names that aren’t in the report if you’re serious about combatting this issue.

  11. sd1964 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:15 pm

    So, let me understand this…

    If someone accused you of using performance enhancing drugs, you would consider it your responsibility to your fans and the league to clear your name.

    The report has no definitive proof of Mr. Clemens’ use, just an allegation (testimony) from someone who CLAIMS that he knows that he did.

    I’d be interested to hear what you would do in Mr. Clemens’ situation, and more importantly exactly HOW you think you could clear yourself of such allegations.

    Easy to take the “high road” when you’re not the one in the spotlight.

    By the way, how do we KNOW that you (or anyone) never took such substances? How would one prove that, sir.

  12. sopranojm permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:15 pm

    Well I, for one, like to see a professional athlete who is intelligent, articulate, and opinionated. Besides, you gave me a 2004 World Championship…

  13. johnb121454 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:19 pm

    You’re absolutely right, Curt. Clemens has the financial resources to clear his name if he is, indeed, innocent. There’s nothing standing in the way of that, and he needs to do it if he wants to change the minds of the 75 percent of sports fans who voted on espn.com yesterday that they don’t believe him. I wish the allegations weren’t true and I hope they’re not. But unless he takes the necessary steps to prove it, there are enough dots to connect to allow a reasonable person to think he’s guilty.

  14. spallotti permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:19 pm

    By asking Clemens to relinquish his Cy Youngs opens a whole can of worms. In principle, I agree with you. However, if you expect that, where does it end? We all know that there are many more players that have used performance enhancing drugs, that are not on the Mitchell report. Canseco and Caminiti both thought it was over 50%. So Curt, are you ready to relinquish your World Series rings if it is determined that players on those teams were using? Again, where would it end?

    I think Bob Costas has it right. No asteriks, no banning from the Hall of Fame. Simply put a disclaimer in regarding the Steroid Era, and let the fans draw their own conclusions.

  15. jw1045 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:19 pm

    Curt, while we are at it, maybe we need to go back and take away wins from all the teams that beat Roger since 1997 and see how that effects the standings, and re-play any playoffs if necessary. Oh and lets recompute everyones average that either had hits or no hits off of him also, and lets not forget to take away all the HR’s from those that had them.

  16. samson65 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:20 pm

    I’ll agree that no one should have to refute hearsay with more than a “he’s a liar and I didn’t do it”. But there are some serious alligations here. People read the blog before you comment, your ignorance just makes things worse!

    SAMSON

  17. snubby29 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:20 pm

    You know what you lost your ability to comment on the Mitchell report when you decided in front of Congress that you had nothing to say. You had a whole lot to say about it before congress and than nothing right.

    That is your life story isn’t it? You blab your mouth on the radio and on this blog, but not on TV or when you are live and in person. You are a coward. Before you pass judgement on someone else be a man yourself.

  18. December 20, 2007 1:21 pm

    I mean Pettite took HGH through an injury… there wasn’t much of a difference in Clemens frame… he may have done the same thing… I mean as far as the rewards are concerned Baseball has so much controversy let alone this one it’s kind of hard to go that far back to a guy who is quite content with being retired and congradulating him on accomplishments 20 years ago… besides.. how do you not know that the runner up wasn’t taking steroids? I mean, wasn’t everybody doing it?

  19. gramuna permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:21 pm

    Hey Curt, the cadaver that you used for your ankle came from a Steriod user!! haha cuckoo!!

  20. mikestufano permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:21 pm

    Well done.

  21. bradalmanac permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:22 pm

    calio4life wrote…

    “just need to approach the whole mitchell report with a grain assault.”

    That’s officially my favorite new expression.

    From now on, I’m going to take everything with a grain assault.

  22. jimthepitboss permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:24 pm

    HA..calio4life…before you call someone ignorant, you need to improve your cliche usage. Its GRAIN of SALT, not assualt, kiddo. Curt’s right, clear your name, or accept your view of guilt in the public realm. Very simple.

  23. tacoboy312 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:24 pm

    If Clemens was an innocent man, he would have held a news conference immidiately after the Mitchell Report to claim his innocence. Unfortunately for him, he can’t do that because the loser is guilty of using some type of performance enhancer and he knows it. His records are tarnished for life now.

    TB

  24. patrickjdnr permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:25 pm

    Curt:
    Who made you judge and jury of everyone. You did the same thing with Barry Bonds and although I am not a fan of his, again, who deemed you the “voice” of baseball. Here is a hint, why don’t you continue working on your game, get rid of the pregnant looking beer gut you have and shut your face. You are just another ego that needs to be deflated-like your fat gut.

  25. obstruksion permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:26 pm

    Google: “drudge report mccain” for info about an interesting article that is to be published soon by the New York Times on Senator Mccain…

  26. soxfan429 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:27 pm

    You know Curt, those stats of yours sure started to get a lot better around 1998. Just a curious fact, but if you name was in the mitchell report, people would say the same thing about you. Good luck defending hearsay.

  27. dnbois56 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:29 pm

    Wow, as a lifetime (38) Sox fan I can tell you that my friends and I truly idolized Roger Clemens back in the 80’s and were heartbroken when he left for Toronto. I can remember playing the old Nintendo baseball game of the 86″ Sox team and how Roger was virtually unhittable in that game. Despite all that love I had for the guy if he did cheat than I agree wholeheartedly that it ‘s time to return the Cy Youngs he won during that time. I cannot for the life of me think that George Mitchell would risk so much by putting Roger in the report if he wasn’t completely convinced of his guilt. I have to say though that by looking back at how Clemen’s body had changed since joining New York it does defy expanation. I would love to think he’s innocent Curt but I sadly think all the talk he did a few days ago were just him feeling trapped in a corner. I’m afraid we will never get to the bottom of it in his case and thus he will keep his awards and records but I will never think of him the same way again. Dave B.

  28. thesoxman permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:30 pm

    Mr. Schilling:

    I have long followed your career and appreciate the honesty by which you have played the game. You calling out your fellow players for what they may have done is brave and 100% on target. For those who took the time to read the Mitchell Report, I believe the evidence to be strong. While the evidence against Clemens is the weakest in the report, if innocent, then why not prove it? Public figures have a more difficult life then others, and as the steroid era has cast a dark shadow on baseball, I believe one of the greatest pitchers ever should step forward and separate fact from fiction.

    While I’m a die-hard White Sox fan, I’m not ignorant to think this problem is limited to those named in the report. I wrote an article on the Mitchell report and I’d be honored if you would read it. From one fan who wants to see the game clean to another.

    I applaud you again. Thanks for making the most of your talent.

    The Soxman

  29. shermfeller permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:31 pm

    Curt, Thanks for taking the right stand. You cheat, you pay. You play a hard honest game and you get paid plenty. It’s nothing but a case of greed and stupidity. If the commisioner of baseball can’t see this thing through to start a “Drug Free” major league, then he should be replaced. There are way to many good young players that want to play baseball because they love the game. Every one of them would give their right arm to be given chance that all of these cheaters have gotten.

    Please visit http://www.shermfeller.com. Help put the origional voice of Fenway Park in The Boston Red Sox Hall of Fame. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year. Gary Titus

  30. geobam permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:33 pm

    Curt, how do you prove that you didn’t do something. You have it backwards. How on earth can Clemens show you he did not do something? By not having track marks on his ars? By not being awesome? I mean, really, tell me how he can prove a negative?

    I ask you, if one of your team mates ends up exposed are you going to give the World Series Trophy back? Do you really think The Red Sox are exempt from this issue? I understand Mr. Mitchell is on the B.O.D. of the Sox. Interesting that 20 plus “Yankees” (including many who played there for a portion of a season) are on the list but only anti sox ex sox like Mo Vaughn ended up on this list. What? No Nomar?

    I think Mitchell has a conflict of interest here that somehow makes the Sox look innocent?

    Wait til J.D. ends up on a list. He’s a Yankee now so maybe they’ll just say he’s another Yankee on the list. But if he’s on the list I want you to prove he didn’t do it or give your Rings back.

  31. ted1102 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:33 pm

    Curt, I was a college pitcher in the 70’s and know that the entire sport is full of instances where cheating in expected. With regard to the awards, would someone of your stature recommend that Gaylord Perry be removed from the Hall for his performance enhancing acts that are well proven? All one has to do is qualify the awards and let people decide for themselves.

  32. hsplayersdad permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:33 pm

    Curt, I wanted to write you and thank you for finally speaking out on this ugly problem that baseball now has to deal with. I am a father of three boys. My oldest is a Junior in high school and plays baseball on his varsity team. He is also a PITCHER. I am a Christian as well as my wife and sons. I tell you this to give you some background. My sons plays baseball by the motto he writes in all of his baseball hats and that is “IN JESUS NAME I PLAY.” I am angry at the recent revelations in the Mitchell report. I am angry at the Commissioners office, the Players Association, and ALL players that were and are dirty. I watched the congressional hearings and listened to you be the advocate for baseball to police itself and clean up itself. WELL????? What now? Palmero did all of us fathers a Hugh injustice to say what he did before congress and then test positive. But ROGER has hurt me more than even Barry Bonds which I am upset with as well. Maybe its because my son pitches and looks to you and Roger as role models and would love to some day follow in your footsteps. I tell him that it can be done the clean and right way. He says “Dad, if it takes Roger to use to make it how can I ever dream of making it if I stay clean.” You, Roger, and all the others will never know to what extent you impact young players at the high school level. PLEASE!!!! keep the game clean. If not for my kids do it for the future generations. Lastly, BASEBALL now has to address this in a big way and do what ever is necessary to rid itself of this plague. Stop hiding your head in the sand and hoping that the fans will let this blow over. I WON’T. There is too much at stake. WE know personally of a college catcher in the minor leagues that was suspended for one year when he tested positive for steroids. I believe that ALL players found to be dirty need to be held accountable. Yes, I am a fan of many players, but this is bigger than being a fan. I am a big fan of Roger, but I believe discipline is necessary for him too. Paul Byrd should be disciplined and suspended. I am his fan too. Andy Petite as well, and any player that is dirty. I know I picked on pitchers, maybe its because my son is one too. PPPLLLEEEAAASSSEEE MLB clean up your mess for our kids, the future of the sport, and if not for that then do it …. FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME!!!!

  33. 38islame permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:35 pm

    Dear Curt-

    How does it feel to know everything? Can you tell me what I am going to get for Christmas and how many kids I will have?

    Happy Holidays and thanks for all the insight!

  34. kingyuma permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:37 pm

    I have a hard time condemning someone based on hearsay. I know that two others have stepped up and stated that this trainer supplied them or injected them. But I am one person who would like to see blood or urine samples of the players that have been accused that have failed the test for banned substances.

    I respect your opinion. When it comes to baseball or other matters you seem to do your home work on the subject. Steroids is a big issue in all sports. But some times you have to step back a listen and see who is doing this for the better good and who are talking just to hear themselves talk.

    I do have a question for you on another subject relating to cheating. What are your views on Floyd Landis? Reason I am asking is, he supposedly tested positive for high testosterone levels after one stage of the Tour de France. Yet no one has been able to answer me what his test were prior to that stage and the one right after that stage. Maybe you are in the position to find out more details then we are.

  35. nofriedeyes permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:37 pm

    When you are the top sometimes a different (albeit at times, unfair) set of rules applies. If I was Roger Clemens and someone slandered me in the press, I would defend it. And if someone questioned my pitching prowess by suggesting I took steroids, you bet I’d defend it.

    What I find laughable about MLB is how out of hand the steroids issue has become. Take Track & Field for example and if you are caught ONE TIME (uh, Marion Jones), you can be banned for life, stripped of all medals and removed from the record books. And track athletes don’t have the millions at stake that baseball players do. In fact, most Americans think Track & Field only has relevance once every 4 years but don’t get me started on that topic.

    MLB needs a shake-up, the players union needs to truly start acting in the best interest of the players health (remember Lyle Alzado?) and get firm on PEDs and the fans need to quit supporting guys who cheat.

    Have you ever looked @ a Barry Bonds or Sammy Sosa rookie card and compare that to pictures of them in their mid-30s? Sorry folks, but bodies just don’t change that much at that age.

    To Curt, it is your blog and you have your right to your opinion. I am for it and for for people debating the issue. The cage needs to get rattled so that all the cheaters can get identified, their records erased and each can receive a one-way ticket out of the league: forever.

  36. catspinner1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:37 pm

    Curt what makes you better than Roger ,As a pitcher you couldn’t be a pimple on rogers ass. how many strike out have you had, how many shutouts have you had. And bottom line as a pitcher you suck.

  37. theneverman permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:37 pm

    I’m just wondering what calio4life means by “a grain assault” and on a second note, I think CS has every right to voice his opinions and maybe he’s shaking Clemens down the way Clemens did him when he was younger. —-maybe “a grain of salt”?

  38. chyeah83 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:38 pm

    Curt Shilling…

    Your constant outspoken behavior is obnoxious and I for one can not stand it! Everyone in the major leagues has been experimenting and using performance enhancing drugs over the past 15 years. There is no doubt in my mind that you too have dabbled over the years. For you to call out Roger Clemens is absolute blasphemy. Despite his HGH use you were never half the pitcher Roger was and your name will never be mentioned in the same sentence as his. I can not stand your repeated ignorant comments about everything and anything. Since when did anyone ask you to analyze current political and social situations? Since when did you feel you were qualified to discuss serious matters? You are a right-wing, brain-dead idiot who probably composes the 18% of Americans who still approve the President.

  39. dstinger01 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:38 pm

    I agree with Curt, why has there not been any fighting back from these players?? Makes you wonder, especially since we live is a society where people sue one another as easy as drinking a cup of java in the morning …

    If I was innocent, and my career was being attacked, I would stand up for myself, not just roll over. And as a fan, I would want my hero’s to clear their names, not just walk away … To me, and my opinoin only, you owe it to the fans, but more importantly, the game and all the players that have played it “straight” … It may not be the easiest thing to do, but at least make an effort, and by effort I mean more then just a statement via your attorney.

    That is my take, thanks Curt for not being a clone, and having a take, and not afraid to let it be known. We don’t have to agree with it, or even like it, but at least you had some courage to put it out there …

  40. editguy permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:39 pm

    The Mitchell report is a disgrace. There was no need to name names…it was an obvious attempt to try players in the court of public opinion. Where are the canceled checks, empty syringes, witnesses in the Clemens case? How will he have his day in court? I’m not saying he didn’t do what he’s accused of doing, I’m saying it hasn’t been proven.

    I noted, Curt, that you got pretty hot when it was “suggested” that the bloody sock was all a sham. You see how it works? Did anyone suggest you return your World Series ring? Seems that you could give a fellow player the benefit of the doubt.

  41. 1dodgerfan permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:39 pm

    Mr. Schilling,

    You yourself are one of the greatest pitchers of what will become known as the “Steroid Era”. Definitely a dark age for the sport of baseball… Why are you so boisterous about singling out players accused of using performance enhancing drugs? The key word being accused. Do you mean to tell me that in the 2004 ALCS, you were able to pitch on your surgically repaired ankle without the use of a performance enhancing drug? Performance enhancing has a broad spectrum. If you took a legal prescribed cortisone shot or pain killer that will still be considered a performance enhancing drug, because it enhanced your performance. Are you sure that every player from that championship team was clean? David Ortiz was nowhere near as big, or as good a hitter when he was with the Twins.
    Mr. Schilling do every one a favor and wait until everything pans out to start throwing stones… You and Roger Clemens, along with every other major leaguer share a bond not everyone get’s to experience. It’s easy to point the finger.

  42. tamecrow permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:41 pm

    whats in the past is done, some did it and got away with it, some who didnt do it will get blamed and is that enough to strip, if it is it will just be a witch hunt. Stop looking behind you and focus on what in basballs future, live and learn.

  43. sonny913 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:41 pm

    Happy Holidays Curt!

    How do I begin this? First off, I am a HUGE Red Sox fan and have been for most of my life. I truly appreciate all of your accomplishments and the various charities that you and Shonda have devoted yourself to. I have also learned that you are a passionate and caring individual and a true competitor, both on and off the field. I am somewhat disappointed in the way that you jump on issues, whether they may be about an opponent or the steroid issue, and later ‘modify’ your comments.

    Now please understand this, I am in total agreement withyou that ‘cheaters’ should be punishe to the full extent of the ‘law’ and/or MLB’s rules and regs… Having said all that, I was once a HUGE Roger Clemens fan, but that respect waned, when he decided that he wanted to play closer-to-home, but took a detour to Toronto. Now I do appreciate that his hand was somewhat forced by the ‘former’ GM (can’t bring myself to utter his name) and I can accept that, but when he went to the enemy (Yankees), that was it for me and Roger…

    Despite my feelings, as a Red Sox fan, for Roger, I STILL feel that he is due his ‘course’ and as someone clearly stated, “he is innocent until proven guilty”… I have my own feelings about whether he ‘juiced’ or not, all one has to do is to look at his photos (a-la Barry Bonds) and see that he’s no longer the ‘spindly’ young man who used to pitch for the Sox… Again, having said all that, WHY do you always seem to put yourself in a position of contoversy??? Come on now, you’ve had a very successful and fulfilling career, you have a lovely wife and family, you have devoted your time to charity work, why not just go out with ‘class’ and wait until all of the facts are in, before you jump on the bandwagon of Roger bashers!

    Happy Holidays,

    Sonny913

  44. skillfullymade permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:41 pm

    Wow, C Schilling looks like you’ve set some people off. Thats what happens when people want to believe what they want to believe and won’t allow you to have a thought. It’s cool for these clowns to believe he didn’t, but you’re jealous and cruel because you do. And I haven’t read where you said you do, just that if you didn’t do it. Prove it, show me some life Roger, she me you’re the man we all thought you were. Stand up and be accounted for. It’s it strange that some players that don’t have anything to lose would stand and face the music. Even Barry Bonds had a reply. And calling C Schilling arrogant, and Roger isn’t. You people have blinders on. Roger Clemens is the most arrogant person I’ve ever seen. I have no need to hate either way, I’m an Astro fan, but love the game of baseball, basketball and football. When with what God gave ya! If you can’t, put the cleaks up and call it a career. Preach on C Schilling, preach on!

  45. hawaii0warrior permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:42 pm

    In order to have better linking, you should try using the following Curt.

    a href=”http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/15/AR2007121501111.html”>C.J. Nitkowski Comments is what the link that you click on says.

    Just put a at the ending a and it’ll work.

    C.J. Nitkowski Comments

  46. sekearns permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:42 pm

    Let me first say that I was totally shocked to hear Clemens name mentioned. But then I thought, who was really mentioning it. Just some guy I had never heard of. Clemens on the other hand I have followed since the mid 80’s. In my own personal view, Clemens has never done anything to make me question his baseball integrity. So if he says he never done it, I believe him. Let me leave you with thie quote.

    “Baseball is something more than a game to an american boy. It is his training field for life work. Destroy his faith in its squareness and honesty and you have destroyed something more, you have planted suspicion of all things in his heart.” – Kenesaw Mountain Landis.

  47. quad22 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:44 pm

    Mr. Schilling,

    First I want to thank you for even taking the time to respond. I also, found the words chosen by some here regarding you to be harsh, not that you can’t handle it, but never the less, I find most to be innapropriate. While, I still strongly disagree with you, regarding your “fan” angle. I a former die hard sox fan, have been turned off by the whole Sox Nation. Roger was the Sox while he pitched there, and I will not convict him of anything, unless a court of law does so. I also, don’t like all the conclusions being drawn by people. I also think all of you (professional ballplayers) should be backing your brothers, unless you think your in a position to throw stones. Remember, it could easily be you, you said it, you personally know and have played with some of these guys accused. So, do really know what you would do beyond making a statement denouncing the accusations ? I mean, really ? Who are we to decide how a person should react to anything ? Finally, as I stated, I have been a Clemens fan, for 24 years, and I know Roger is not a big fan of making anything public, good or bad. So, I think he has done enough to clear his name.

    Thanks,

    Dave

  48. divine4seam permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:44 pm

    Curt, this is nothing more than something to think about. I play baseball, though not professional. I am a pitcher and an outfielder. I know how challenging the game of baseball is, and that you must have a mastery of multiple skills in order to compete at the professional level.

    My thinking has always been that steroids increase muscle strength and resistance, but not absolute overall performance. You as a baseball player with years of superior talent can answer this question: “Can you take any WWE wrestler with no pitching experience, put him on the mound, and expect him to win two World Series rings and rack up 216 wins, 3116 strikeouts, a 3.46 lifetime ERA, and 83 career complete games?” I think not. You must have baseball talent, or else steroids and performance-enhacing substances will do nothing.

    I urge you in the strongest possible terms to not criticize other great players for use of steroids. I believe that you are a role-model, and a good and decent man.

    I’d be interested in hearing your earnest response to my reply here. Thank you.

    Steve.

  49. idaho87 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:44 pm

    Curt,

    For a man that professes to be involved in politics, the players union, and the court of public opinion, you sure change your colors quickly.

    Innocent until proven guilty is part of the foundation that makes our judicial system and country great. That premise helps to protect the very innocent people that egoticstical, big-mouthed, punks like you choose to slander and judge publicly.

    Everytime you open your mouth it just further clairifies what drives you. Your selfish need to be “heard” and your need to be right. Look very carefully at yourself and you will see more of you than others in yourself.

    You like all of this players, you play with them, you admire them, and you respect them. Now these very same people are the worst thing to happen to baseball? You can’t have it both ways.

    Instead of pointing the finger and make accusations, why don’t you assit in coming up with a solution. I am willing to bet, somewhere along way, you have taken a supplement that is now banned.

  50. oaklandnative permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:44 pm

    Curt,
    I like the way you’ve addressed the issue this past week. You’ve given a perspective that few players are willing, or even have enough information, to share.

    As far as striking records and statistics, how far does it reach? Do you have to adjust the ERA of every pitcher who faced a confirmed Steroid user? Do you adjust the AVG and OBP/SLG of every player who faced a pitcher that confessed to using? Does every at-bat that Manny has against Juan Rincon just vanish into thin air?

    If anything, the statistics should be upheld to emphasize the skill that some players possess to ascend the contaminated atmosphere and succeed due to true determination and commitment… WITHOUT the need for any banned supplement or PED.

    As far as awards go, I agree with some previous comments that you can’t count on the runner-ups to be clean, either. You just have to accept it as a dark time for baseball’s integrity and a brilliant time for baseball’s popularity.

    Although, that’s just one man’s opinion, take it or leave it.

  51. schawthorne permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:45 pm

    hey Curt,
    Although I respect your work with ALS and the fact that you say what you believe about steroids and PEDs, there is a time to just be quiet. I am a long time phillies fan and will never forget the towel over head incendent when Mitch Williams was on the mound. What a total lack of respect. You are not and never have been a graet pitcher. crying to management to get you help on the mound. you were the Ace on a bad rotation but at best a #2 anywhere else. On a positve note, go to Washington D.C. and lobby for better control of cheating in sports. I think you would be good at that. Or atleast take Seligs job and clean baseball up.

  52. cufdog permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:46 pm

    First of all anyone who didn’t know that these drugs were being used is an idiot. Second, Believe me when I tell you STEROIDS SAVED BASEBALL. Our good buddy Bud Selig could not stop a work stoppage and when that was finally resolved, he turned a blind eye to steroids because the Mcguire and Sosa homerun race was putting baseball back in the headlines. You can blem the guys who were doing it, but this all happened under Seligs watch and believe me he knew it. And with you Curt being a player during this era, I am sure that you knew of guys who were on your team and were taking performance enhancing drugs. Did you ever A. call them out on it or B. turn them in to the Commisoners Office? If I had to bet money you turn a blind eye too. So if it ever comes out that a guy you played with took steroids are you going to give up the victories you got while he was on the field with him and take Wins off your career stats?

  53. djsmvbro permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:47 pm

    Curt,
    I wanted to offer my opinion regarding being a number 2 starter. You said that you accepted being #2 behind Randy, & Pedro, which I can agree with, but Josh? C’mon? From watching your performance of the second half of the season, especially in the playoffs after you were well rested from fatigue or whatever injury you had I believe that when the game is on the line you are still truly dominant and masterful on the mound. Don’t sell yourself short, I can believe that a 162 game season might be too long for someone of your age too pitch at such a high level consistently but when well rested you still pitch at the same level as Josh if not better, and it showed in the playoffs. I have seen more consistency in your years than I have with Josh which counts alot in my book. Good luck with the 2008 season.

    Matt

  54. whynot123 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:48 pm

    after hearing of a Curt Schilling blog I have done my best to avoid helping to give him the attention he craves. But after reading his statements on Clemens its obvious how he really feels. There is no doubt that Schilling had his time, and I emphasize HAD his time. He WAS a solid pitcher, you have to look no farther than the ’01 world series. While his skills have faded, his need for attention has only grown stronger. He can’t just sit back and watch as possibly the greatest pitcher in history is going down. He needs to throw his insecurities in the mix. He was never the pitcher Clemens was and never will be. I have always looked at Schilling as a poor man’s Rocket.

    Maybe curt should sit back and wait to see if these “ALLEGATIONS” against Clemens are true before he indicts a man. I feel that he was truly excited to hear that Clemens was on the Mitchell Report. It gave him more motivation to try and prove he is not the most overrated pitcher of his time. So Curt, don’t jump the gun on these allegations against Clemens and stop trying to prove your just as good as the Rocket. I suggest you sit back, enjoy the holidays, curl up with your bloody sock, and keep your mouth shut.

  55. tomatojuiceonursox permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:48 pm

    Curt why don’t you keep your mouth shut for once.. we all admit that your are great pitcher but if your mouth did the same thing we would admire you even more. Let Clemens do whatever he wants and defend himself as much as he wants, your job is to get ready for next summer when A-Rod keeps abusing your butt on Home Runs. Give up man you lied by using tomato juice on your sock, everyone else talked about it but no one from the Yankees said a word about you… they admitted you beat them.. and thats the bottom line ..

  56. ted1102 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:49 pm

    I think the Babe himself was totally wasted with alcohal on many occasions when he was hitting his records. And he was medicated for his recovery after so he was enhancing everything about himself. A guy hit 60 HRS when everyone else is hitting 20. And so it goes, all records are meaningless.

  57. marinetrent permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:49 pm

    Curt your a moron,just like u said in 2002 that half are either using or thinking about it, so which one are u curt? I’d put money on it that youve used and just cause uve never got caught or tested positive doesnt mean your innocent. You get payed millions of dollars to throw a ball thats it, your not a lawyer, your not the commisoner of baseball. I think you hould just keep your mouth shut.

    Signed a U.S. Marine, the guy who lets you talk out your ass

  58. alz2 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:50 pm

    Curt.

    I must say I’ve disliked you for a long time, I’m a Cardinal fan, so for every ounce of grit, determination, desire you pushed to get through that 2006 postseason and world series was a dagger in my heart. Much the same when Arizona barely nodded us in the playoffs with you and Randy. Still however, for you, that should be a tribute to what you did. We dislike Beltran too, mostly because he beat us into the ground nearly everytime he stepped in a batters box until Wainright finally broke his knees in 2006 with that curveball.

    I have recently stepped off this platform with your comments regarding Roger. Regardless of which team you played for, a lot of major leaguers are trying to pass this off as simply a couple of guys trying to avoid jail time. It’s not a couple of guys. Grimsley said the same junk when he was busted, Canseco as well. Since sterroids became a focus point, time and time again, people have fingered Clemens. Each time his response has been, “that’s not true”. That may fly when someone is pointing fingers because he’s bitter to be out of the game, or when someone seems to be deflecting punishment because he was just caught…. All of them though, how naive should a fan be asked to be to ignore 4 different accounts of a guy that are all in line with one another?

    In either event, I must assume as a pitcher/player who’s played at such a great level for so long and done it cleanly (and I am assuming your clean or you wouldn’t be taking such a stand about this) it must really get under your skin that not only are these guys winning awards, taking roster spots, setting the bar higher, etc etc…. It also leads the normal fan who’s not a ballplayer to wonder if anyone in the entire sport is actually willing to be the hero who can play without the needles…..

    Good luck to you and your career Curt, thanks for taking a stand on this. I’m sure 1 million people could line up and ask Roger for an answer and get nothing…. If people like you will stand up and ask for answers, maybe we’ll actually get some.

  59. tc27 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:50 pm

    I find it extremely interesting that Clemens or anyone else in Curt Schillings eyes has to prove their innocence. What about someone proving Clemens’ guilt. We are asked to take the word of a person who was threatened with jail over a guy who played for 25 years. Clemens may be guilty but my god Mr. Schilling I would hope baseball has more proof that McNamee’s word. Is there a paper trail? If not, how can we try and convict Clemens on somebody’s word. Does anyone else find it a little interesting that McNamee remembers every date in detail of when he injected Clemens? Is he lying? Otherwise I don’t understand why he kept such detailed records. And, Curt explain to me how Clemens can clear his name. Other than saying he didn’t do it, what can he do? Must he show his butt has no needle marks? I just don’t know how anyone can accomplish this, can you enlighten me Curt? Also, if the Mitchell report is the bible, where is Mark McGwire’s name? How about Sammy Sosa and Brady Anderson? David Ortiz should have gotten some scrutiny and you yourself Curt should have been looked at. Geez you’re still pitching at a high level at an advancing age. That would seem to raise some eyebrows, I would think. I firmly believe at least 80% of the players are involved in this yet we only singled out a few. I personally know of a player now in the majors, who while in the minors a few years ago, said I can’t wait to get on the 40 man roster so I can go on the juice like everybody else. The minors were the only ones testing at that time. The Mitchell report is what it is, some truth but a lot of innuendo. Curt, I would think you would be a lot better off staying out of the light of this since nobody knows where it could lead.

  60. baseballman612 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:51 pm

    Curt, I find it very intriguing that you think you step up to the plate by calling Clemens out. It was along the same lines that you did this with Bonds, but apologized the next day, althought the apology was not really carried by the papers. Are you going to apologize tomorrow for this?

    If you really want to step to the plate, why don’t you have a lie-detector test taken. Make it a public statement ! Pass the lie detector test, then push for the rest of baseball to do so.

    Until you do something along those lines, i think you should sit back and keep your opinions to yourself. I am one who would be shocked if you were found to be clean, or if your World Series victories are without some players who were enhanced. So before you throw any more stones, take care of your own house.

    Also, i want to know if you are willing to give back your World Series rings if players that were on your team are found to be enhanced? C.mon Curt, step to the plate !

    cheers
    B

  61. natsfan4life permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:51 pm

    Mr. Shilling,
    You are entitled to your opinion. With that being said, I find it ironic how critical you are of the athlets of color in major league baseball with no concrete evidence of wrong doing, prior to your press release apologies, than you are of white athlets. We can just go through your blogs, the proof is in the pudding.
    In the Mitchell report it stated that all 32 major league baseball teams failed to report and or had an involvement with the use of performance enhancing drugs. I just want you to say that you had no first hand knowledge of the use of performance enhancing drugs by your peers in the numerous years you have been a pro, then and only then do should any current major leaguer can be critical of another major leaguer.
    Which is worse, the person who breaks the law and goes un-punished because no one will assist the prosecuter. Or the one who saw the indivdual break the law and does nothing. Looks like they are pretty much the same to me, but hey thats just my opinion.

    Signed,
    Fan of All Sports

    P.S. If you won 2 world championships with the opponents cheating, doesn’t that make you feel good, to know that you are better than them on the PED? That would make me feel great, but hey thats just my opinion.

  62. sinistersinner permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:53 pm

    I think Bud Selig should run for some sort of political office or open a magic show. He is a champion manipulator. The players are taking all the hits for this, when he should be the one swinging. It was his responsiblity to deal with this in the late 90’s and he didn’t. So now he is throwing everyone else under the bus. He is tricker than Kris Angel The Mindfreak. He will continue to go after player after player to keep the posse off his trial. You wait and see and now the goverment is going to get behind him. It is the classic bait and switch. What short of accountablity does he fall under. I think the players should all strike again like they did in ’94 until he is out. I know that is just a pipe dream but come on he is not going to be pentalized at all. I wish the Mitchell report had started with the suggestion that Selig step down.
    Baseball is raped. I know that is harsh but it is the truth. All the records are gone. Bud Selig is the, “Andy Dufresne” of major league baseball, “He crawled through a river of crap and came out clean on the other side.”

  63. reeer permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:53 pm

    you said it curt, you “just might be naive and stupid”.

  64. allsportsconnection permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:54 pm

    Curt,

    C’mon, piling on is beneath you. Clemens is your friend, with friends like you who needs enemies? This is absurd getting caught up in baseballs pathetic attempt to right the wrongs of previously failing to drug test the players. The hundreds or thousands of players that used but were not mentioned in the report get off scot free?

    No one can claim they didn’t know baseball was a drug infested sport, your union fought testing at every turn, and for that very reason. Let’s go back and crucify everyone named in the “mitchell report” without proof? Rubbish I say. The statute of limitations on the suspected criminal activity has rendered most of the players that previously used steroids exempt from prosecution.

    To promote healing I say let it go with the past suspected activity. Your union should finally allow proper testing to protect the health of it’s players and the integrity of the game. That is what has been learned, and really nothing more.

    The thing left to discuss is how can Barry Bonds be the only player prosecuted? Two reasons. 1.) He is not a media darling like Clemens. 2.) He is Black. There I said it and I believe it. Bonds is being singled out because he refused to incriminate himself. Clinton lied under oath and he is fixing to return to the white house when in fact he should have been prosecuted under the same argument that they are using for Bonds.

    The “Mitchell Report” was a waste of time and money, prepared by a former Senator who may or may not have “unclean hands” he is a politician after all! For one man, senator Mitchell,, to be given the power of Judge and Jury is ludicrous at the very least. Libelous possibly, irresponsible certainly. That 20 million could have fed a whole lot of needy families this Holiday season.

  65. jimmykc permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:55 pm

    Anyone and everyone who follows baseball has an opinion on this one. For any of you posters who are here just to rip on Curt, I would politely request that they close their pie holes. Take your hating to your own blog. Just don’t wait for old Jimmy to show up. If you carefully read Curt’s comments you see that he wants Roger and all the others to clear up any doubts about illegal enhancement as much as anyone, but doesn’t see it happening. And to compare steroid use to medicinal pain killers or surgical repair of injuries is just too stupid to comment upon. As for me ,the whole problem could have been avoided if the players had allowed a stringent drug testing program. And we fans have to accept a lot of the blame for eagerly buying tickets to watch supermen blast balls into the stratosphere.

  66. wilson1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:55 pm

    It is major league baseball’s fault for not having a policy in place at the time of this. The players union would not budge on this topic. They did a dis-service to all players that made it and the one’s that did not make it without cheating. The sport has been tainted for not having rules in place. Big league teams knew of the situation and did not take a stand due to money and also to how good the players were getting. Let’s face it in the early 90’s all the craze was for teams to sign latino players that they could juice and put mass on there thin frames. In order to keep up with the game players had to cheat to keep jobs and to be the best. I heard this story from a pretty good source that stated that when Johnny Damon was traded to the Yankees it was b/c he tested positive for roids and was going to be suspended when the Sox turned him in. He refused and said he would rat yourself ( Schilling ) and Ortiz of using roids also if any action was taken and he wanted traded too. I have always trusted your opinions and I don’t believe the strory but it is out there I heard it from a player 1st hand. If baseball wants to clean up there needs to be testing and penalties similar to track/field and tennis on the 2 year ban if caught. This exposing of players who used is ridiculous ( the league did not have a policy in place ) and players almost had to use to keep jobs. Bonds used to prove to everybody that he was the best. It was ego but he finally said enough is enough- I will show you what I can do if I cheat. In the 90’s I respected Bonds and Griffey for not using but Barry had to put his foot down. Good luck to you and I apologize in advance for the story I just don’t like hearing you slam other players when I have heard you also used. Baseball is to blame so lets put new rules in place and have the game move forward. No taking away of awards and rings! Move on & take care!!

  67. crossdogg2005 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:55 pm

    Personally, I think it’s embarrassing that you would speak out against one of the greatest pitchers of all time. His name has been dragged through the media, commercials made about him, and unfounded accusations made that are ruining his reputation. Now YOU’RE going to jump his ship as well? Imagine the stress that he and his family have had to go through on a daily basis not to mention the support and credibility he’s lost over this whole ordeal without ever having a chance to defend himself other than saying he’s not guilty. Meanwhile, you sleep nice and cozy without a care in the world, surrounded by your loved ones and free of controversy; yet you want to jump his ship? Just remember Curt that in this country you’re innocent until proven guilty. It’s a right that every citizen of this great nation shares including yourself.

    Regards,

    The Curt Schilling Deportation Commitee

  68. eponine48 permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:56 pm

    Dear Curt,

    This is the first time I’ve actually been on your blog and my skin is crawling with disstate. That said, I’m going to try to keep this short but I’m seething over your comments regarding Clemens. I have one word, hypocrite. It’s common knowledge to everyone that the bloody sock you wore to fake out the Yankees was painted red for show since you’re an attention-craving whore. You were called out on that by one of your own teammates, lest you forget. And yes, I have visited Cooperstown and seen your “bloody sock” in all its glory. Nice of you to give Cooperstown one of the socks you wore when you first got stitched up, Frankenankle, but you’re not fooling anyone by letting them think you actually wore that particular sock in the game. You’re as phony as they come until YOU can prove otherwise that that sock you wore in the game was actually blood. Wait, what’s that? You can’t? That sock was thrown out in the trash? I can’t say I’m shocked, not when a self-serving @&* like you wore it. Although Roger is guilty of being a self-absorbed hired gun, he is not guilty of being a cheat, unless there’s actual evidence he did. How dare you demand he give up his Cy Youngs. Give back your World Series ring in 2004, you phony! Mr. Clemens deserves an apology of the highest order from you, but I’m not sure he’s not wasting his breath. That would take class, which you, sadly, lack. I know you’re sore you weren’t the one invited onto 60 Minutes to gab with Katie Couric about how steroids is runing the game. Of course, if you had been, you would’ve taken up the whole hour running your mouth. Thank God the rest of us were spared.

    In conclusion, there’s a place reserved in hell for hypocrites and fat bastards. Someday you’ll meet Scott Boras there.

    Have a wonderful Holiday and dont’ choke on the coal in your stocking,

    A Yankee Fan in New Jersey

  69. gypsydawn permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:56 pm

    the day before the mitchell report was made public, i spent a great deal of time thinking and writing about this issue. i have adopted a pretty hard stance against players who use PEDs. on many occasions, i have voiced that players’ stats and awards should be stripped and they should even be banned from further play in the professional arena. so the day before the report was published, a friend asked me, “what will you do if one of YOUR players is named?” i had already thought about it. and my answer was that i would be sad. and i would be angry. i asked myself, ‘what if schilling or varitek show up on the list?’ i asked this regarding these 2 players particularly because they are my two favorite players and the two who i would find most inconceivable to be there.

    but, the thing about my opinions of either you, curt, or jason is that the only thing i can base this on is what i know about you from the media. as you pointed out, we fans don’t know you. but, i must say this; from everything i have read or seen of you and jason, i believe you both to be men of integrity. i believe you both take the game of baseball seriously and you both work very hard to achieve your goals. i believe you both put the integrity of game far above any gains that can occur through cheating. those are my beliefs and my opinions, and that is all they are.

    as far as senator mitchell goes, i have to say i agree with your assessment that he is a man of integrity. he was a senator from my state. i do not know him personally, but he has proven himself time after time to be a thinking man who is capable of coming to unbiased conclusions. once again this is my opinion, but i believe it to be supported by a long standing track record from his entire professional life.

  70. December 20, 2007 1:57 pm

    For the kiddie poolers among you, notably calio4life and the “please shut up!” ilk,

    A ‘weblog’, or ‘blog’, is an online communication tool used to impart thoughts, generate discussion, report news, etc. As such, they are often utilized as tools by writers as places to share thoughts, opinion and analysis. Given that personal weblogs number over one hundred million now, and most of them follow the aforementioned guidelines for content generation, the fact that Curt Schilling posts thoughts, opinion and analysis should really surprise nobody (save for those of you who apparently aren’t finished evolving from under the rocks you’ve until recently called home).

    Blogs generate traffic by providing content. A blogger who “just shuts up”, generates no content of interest, and therefore, has no reason to continue blogging.

    Since there are many and more of us who enjoy coming here to read the thoughts an opinion of a professional athlete with an exceptional career and history in his sport, this wuold be a suboptimal conclusion.

    Therefore, I would ask that the “please just shut up” crowd kindly delete their links to this site and refrain from coming here simply to regale us with their conceited ranting, as all these posts amout to is this: “Since your opinion doesn’t jive with mine, yours not only has no value, but you shouldn’t be expressing it in the first place, therefore, you should be silenced.” I would ask those of you who feel this way to kindly book passage to the authoritarian country of your choice, where you can reside in the atmosphere of quashed speech and civil rights that you seem to desire.

  71. prayblood permalink
    December 20, 2007 1:59 pm

    Listen, I’m tired of people like you (Curt) trying to give good people a bad name. Do your really care the Roger Clemens used steroids, or is it because you’re upset that you WILL NEVER be half as good as Roger Clemens.

    YANKEE FAN

    4

    LIFE !!!!

  72. nickname72 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:00 pm

    Sweet Jeebus, please shut up. Just because you were on Ding Dongs and Miller Lite when you DIDN’T win the Cy Young doesn’t mean you have the right to demand that he give anything back.

    And seriously, aren’t you a Republican who supported the idiot in chief we have now? I’m sure you’re still condoning and excusing HIS administration’s outright contempt for the rules. Or could it possibly be that you want to set the precedent of punishing illegal substance using Cy Young winners because you came in SECOND so many times?

    If there was an award for Most Annoying Pitcher, you would have quite a bit more hardware in your oversized trophy room.

  73. dwrbudr permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:00 pm

    Curt,

    Clearly the naming of Roger Clemens has had an effect on you, but how do you feel about the naming of your former team-mate Eric Gagne as an alleged user of HGH? even though he clearly forgot to use them when he was a redsox, he was still on your team that won the world series this year

    Danny

  74. December 20, 2007 2:00 pm

    I’m very tired of people not recognizing the distinction between legal principle (innocent until proven guilty, a standard designed to make sure as few people are falsely imprisoned as possible) and the way the world works outside of a court room. If you applied the innocent until proven guilty logic to everything in your life, almost nothing would get done. Decisions would be impossible. Intuition, which normally serves us very wall (Gladwell’s Blink anybody?) would be useless.

    Innocent until proven guilty has become the safe haven for the intellectually defunct, those whose loose grasp of reason allows them to espouse catchphrases without being accountable for the logic behind them.

  75. rogersmom permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:02 pm

    You envious, hypocritical, speak-before-you-think-if-ever-making-it-to-the-thinking-part, Clemens-wannabe idiot.

  76. houseoflancaster permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:02 pm

    While we’re at it, lets set the home run record back to 61 so that we once again have something to track and root for during the first three months of the season.

  77. bk8989 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:03 pm

    Curt just wanted to say it’s nice to see somebody speak out and voice their opinions on all this. For far to long baseball has turned a blind eye to the behind the scenes actions of it’s stars. I am proud to be a member of this great Sox nation and even more proud of the accomplishments the players have made on and off the field. You guys give back so much to the community and create a feeling of family. You could win 30 world series tropheys and none of them would mean as much to us fans as the work you do off the field for charities. To see that little guy run those bases after his fight with cancer makes being a Sox fan the greatest honor on earth. It goes far beyond baseball here and thats all thanks to the efforts of guys like you, who play the game with respect, honor and most off all clean. I can’t thank you enough for the way you make this Sox fan feel everytime I put on my hat with that B. I wish you and your beautiful family and wonderful, safe, and healthy holiday. God bless and Thank you.

    BK

  78. nickname72 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:03 pm

    Comment by natefrancis

    The distilled point by natefrancis:
    Hey you guys telling Curt to shut up would you please shut up.

  79. prayblood permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:03 pm

    Listen, I’m tired of people like you (Curt) trying to give good people a bad name. Do your really care about Roger Clemens using steroids, or is it because you’re upset that you WILL NEVER be half as good as Roger Clemens.

    YANKEE FAN

    4 Holla at your boy!

    LIFE !!!

  80. dmargolin permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:06 pm

    Hi Curt,

    Let me start by saying that as a Yankee fan and a liberal, I do not like agreeing with you. In fact, I kind of consider you an all-purpose enemy. But I have been so disappointed by the way this steroids issue has been handled by both the players and the media that I feel I must voice support for anyone who articulates (what I consider) an appropriate point of view.

    “Innocent until proven guilty” is a legal standard set up by this country to insure that the rights of citizens could not be taken by the government until a strong case was made in a fair trial. It has nothing to do with how we should judge people’s reputations, nor should it. I do not mean to suggest that our standard should be “believe any and all accusations by any bozo or sleazebag who happens to have access to the media.” It simply means that we should make our own judgments about whom to trust, respect and shame based on the evidence available to us and that we should be ready to defend those judgments when challenged by others.

    So far, Roger Clemens has not met my standard. To do so he must specifically refute the allegations that have been made against him in a forum in which some dialogue with the public is possible. A press conference would be fine. He steps up, he says “such and such is not true,” then a fan/reporter asks him point blank to clarify any ambiguities in his statements and he responds. If he in fact did not do what he is accused of, this will not be difficult. Afterward, he should be praised for having the honor to step forward it clear his name properly.

    Until he does such a thing, I will assume that he has something to hide. This suspicion partly comes from his plea to remove himself from scrutiny based on his athletic accomplishments, as it is precisely this kind of rationale that I believe leads athletes to engage in and justify unethical behavior.

  81. pberisha90 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:07 pm

    Well i think its none of your business Curt because you havent won as many cy youngs as Roger Clemens, hes a better player all around and hes gaurenteed a hall of fame entry and you arent just yet but my whole point is Curt, ur a pitcher you are suppose to be side by side with other pitchers around the league not disrupt their career or lives which are at stake. Curt, as a yankee fan, i think youre a great pitcher and one of the best ive seen as a red sox player and you’ll fit great in the hall with your bloody sock hahaha….Merry Christman Curt and May you have a great and healthy new year and Best Wishes To the Schilling Family… and if you ever want to contact me heres the email address…alexrod101@yahoo.com

  82. staylor2031 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:08 pm

    How do we know you never used performance enhancing drugs? You say you didn’t much like Roger says he didn’t. Why should we believe you over him or him over you? Accusations make the media spin – you should watch where and to whom you are casting stones!

    You are a joke… a bad joke.

  83. pansearedmeatus permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:10 pm

    Yada Yada Yada………….if there was an award for outrageous bloviators in baseball, you would win it every year and nobody would ever request it be stripped for you. It amazes me how you have comments to share nationally on every single issue. I just took a sh#t, I will check your blog tomorrow to see what you have to say about it. Get over yourself Cuz.

  84. djete permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:11 pm

    It’s obvious what really happened here. One thing I know is that all politicians are crooked. All the juicers on the RedSox got immunity from George Mitchell, and to keep it from being suspicious they threw the one player that the Sox fans hate under the bus- Gagne. So no one will ever know if Papi, Manny, or Schilling ever used, but I will always wonder because oif the source of this investigation.

  85. jacoj1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:12 pm

    Good night, people. Curt hasn’t accused Roger Clemens of anything, yet as a *fan* has expressed his hope that Clemens will come clean and put to rest some very troubling allegations that were made _under oath_. And coming clean means using the appropriate legal means to clear your name. Clemens hasn’t done this (saying that all the allegations made by McNamee are false isn’t enough from a legal standpoint).

    I don’t always agree with what Curt says and agree that in some cases his points of view are wrong or misguided (e.g. Ben Davis’ bunt that broke up his perfect game bid; anyone remember that?). But I know first hand that Curt isn’t as egotistical or jealous as many make him out. Back in ’01 when the (cursed) Diamondbacks won the World Series, I posted on a small e-mail list (devoted to boardgames of all things) that I thought Curt should have won the Cy Young over Randy Johnson. While I knew that Curt had some ties to the list, I was flabbergasted to receive a person e-mail, cc-ed to the list, defending the decision to give the award to Johnson; especially went several posters had already made comments about how Johnson was clearly the better pitcher. Now, if someone were as egostical and jealous as people claim Curt is, he wouldn’t have written this e-mail. At best, he would have kept quiet; at worst he would have agreed with my post.

    I like Roger Clemens a lot and have a soft spot for the Yankees (having attended many games in the 70’s-80’s), but Curt’s right here: as a fan, let’s hope Clemens addresses these allegations with the strongest legal means and clears himself once and for all. Otherwise, he’ll be dealing with a shadow for the rest of his career.

    Oh yeah — how about Pete Rose (Mr. Greenie) coming out against these “terrible steroid” abusers when it is well documented that he was a big-time amphetamine user. Can anyone say hypocrisy?

  86. erx825 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:12 pm

    HOW DO YOU DEFEND THE DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT IN YOUR PERFORMANCE AFTER YOU MET ROGER CLEMENS???????

    HOW DO YOU DEFEND THE FACT THAT ALTHOUGH YOUR CLUBBIE CARLOS COWART WAS ARRESTED WITH STEROIDS, GEORGE MITCHELL (OF THE BOSTON RED SOX) NEVER THOUGHT TO CONTACT HIM, NOR WAS THERE ANY INVESTIGATION HELD TO FLUSH OUT WHAT HE KNEW????

    HOW DO YOU DEFEND THE FACT THAT MANNY ALEXANDER WAS NEVER FORCED TO TALK NOT ONLY BY MLB BUT BY GEORGE MITCHELL (OF THE BOSTON REDSOX) WHO SHOULD HAVE HAD THE AUTHORITY, THROUGH HIS CONNECTION TO THE CLUB, TO MAKE HIM TALK?????

    The fact of the matter is this until Mitchell got information from McNeme and Rodomski his report was nothing more than a copy and paste term paper with little insight into anything. Why did he not go after the low hanging fruit in the Red Sox organization???

    If Clemens should have to defend things like that you should too…

  87. houseofsin permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:13 pm

    A lot of hitters were supposedly on juice at the same time. In light of that, if the charges are true, are his accomplishments all that tainted?

  88. cowchip permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:14 pm

    I have read a lot of comments about “innocent until proven guilty” in the last two posts by Curt.

    I would like to add that in a civil court of law, you need only a preponderance of the evidence to tip the scale of justice. With the civil court standard of “guilt,” I am 100% sure that Clemens used performance enhancing drugs.

    The Mitchell report is more than just accusations. McNamee injected Clemens himself. Moreover, I believe McNamee’s credibility strengthens daily with player admissions. I believe Pettite’s admission was the nail in the coffin. McNamee was right on the mark when he said that Pettite used HGH 2-4 times. Then Brian Roberts Admitted to one shot of steroids.

    Good luck to Clemens when he receives a subpoena to talk to Congress.

  89. howardsteinberg permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:14 pm

    Give back the Cy Youngs? No, they should be stripped from Clemens if he is found to have cheated by the use of steroids, just as Jones had her gold medals stripped recently by the Olympic committee for the use of enhancing substances. Likewise, Bonds should have his homerun record removed from the record books if he is found to have been “juiced”. No meaningless Asterik next to his name. Olympians who have been found cheating have their medals taken away and any records they have set removed from the record books. For some reason Baseball believes that once a record is in the books, it is immutable no matter how it was attained, and must remain in the record books. Records by cheats should not count or be recognized. They never happened. Baseball should follow the example of the Olympics and the Tour D’France

  90. yanksfanfor25 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:15 pm

    hey curt, why dont you, for once, lead by example. you are always pointing fingers and not owning up. how can you do that? let me explain.

    the mitchell report that you refer to in regard to Roger Clemens returning his cy young awards also names 2 of your former teamates; Johnny Damon and Trot Nixon, both of whom played intricate parts of your 2004 championship run. both players, moreso Damon but both none-the-less, had career years tat year. and, being at game 7 of the ALCS, the juiced up Johnny hit 2 out.

    So, Curt, i ask you to hand back your ring in the name of honesty and in the support of steroid and taint free baseball. if not, you are just upset that Roger crushed you in the Cy Young candidacy and you really arent concerned about baseballs integrity at all…

  91. motorcyclemaine permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:16 pm

    This was all so obvious. These guys, just the dozens I knew in the gym, got gains way past those of us relying on protein and hard work. We all knew it then, and now we want to pretend that we are aghast. It sucks, but the entire era should be known as the “Decade of Juice” It may be unfair, but there is no way to say, prove you are innocent. The question, at least for this American, is that they need to be proved guilty, at least before you can take legal action. So to all those clean players, I say you should have spoken up when the rage and the ache and the extra 50 pounds of muscle showed up. You knew it then, live with it now

  92. royallfall06 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:16 pm

    shut up already! all you do is cry! just play ball. i’m sick of hearing you talk! it sounds like you are just jealous. get over it and go play ball. life’s not fair get use to it. i really don’t care who took steroids and who didn’t. you need a lot more then steroids to be a great baseball player or else everyone who took steroids would be great.

    sr

  93. jsam20 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:16 pm

    Thanks for your well thought out take. It’s simple really, if someone calls you a liar or cheat, you do everything in your power to dispell the allegations and clear your name. When it comes down to it, that’s all we really have in this world that matters…our good name. In this case, silence speaks volumes.

    Too bad the media is “cherry picking” your comments on Roger to make headlines….more irresponsible journalism.

  94. kurt998 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:16 pm

    It is 1997. Roger has been told by Boston’s GM he is on the downside of his career. He goes to Toronto meets Canseco, who probably tells him steroids will help him revive his career. Roger says, okay. I am a competitor. I will do anything to be on top of my game. Much like Barry Bonds being jealousy of McGwire and Sosa, Roger will do anything to continue playing at a high level. Drugs be damned. What the heck, MLB doesn’t test for anything. I will not be caught doing something that baseball doesn’t outlaw. Well, the rest is history. Now if Roger calls a press conference right now and tells the truth. Says his story much like I layout, we can all move forward. Call it the “Steroids Era”. But, if Roger, pulls a Pete Rose and lies for 15 years about his
    situation, well, then the hell with him and his entire career. Well, Roger the ball is in your hand. What are you going to do?

  95. thetuneman permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:18 pm

    Crying won’t get you a Cy Young. Must be tough living in rogers shadow. Maybe you and Jamie Lynn Spears ought to get together.

  96. reverendjohnnymuscatel permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:19 pm

    There is only one reason why Curt Shilling has made the brazen demand on Roger Clemens to clear or return. It is because Mr. Shilling knows the truth. In fact, all the players know who uses and who doesn’t. Do you really think that Clemens can possibly clear his name? No. Mr. Shilling has ordained himself as the righteous one who can blog his way through the PED tainted sport called baseball. In his defense, Mr. Shilling has the appearance of a normal 40 year old athlete and the mediocre stats that go along with a non-PED physique. I think he is clean. I also think that he has lost sleep because he has not been able to rat on his fellow players. Now that Mr. Mitchell has opened the door a little, out come the accusations against a player who has obviously been cheating for years.

    Do baseball a bigger favor, Curt. Name all the names. Call them all out. You have been wanting to do it for a long time. Here is your chance. Will the Red Sox be able to field a team of 9 players if you do?

  97. goldpanner76 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:19 pm

    Having been in the field for over 30 years, I can tell you that the Mitchell Report contained some useful information for MLB to attempt to clean up the game, but none of what was reported would hold up in court. That being said, there are probably 25% of the names on the list that never touched the stuff and over 200 not on the list that did. Maybe you should stick to throwing the ball and not you mouth.
    “How cool would it be if you did that”

  98. jayarreed permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:19 pm

    i was just watching Fox News and while reporting about this blog they were showing clips of Clemens from the past. One of the clips was the Piazza broken bat thing.

    I haven’t seen that clip in a year or so. this time i was seeing it with new perspective.

    A guy breaks his bat (blame physics) and you pick up this sharp, heavy dagger and fling it at a guy!!!!!!!!!!

    National media took that incident and stroked their baby Roger. “Oh he’s just passionate for the game and he gets fired up when playing the game he loves”

    Wrong!!!!

    The millions of thick hairs on his back were prickling and he went into an incredible hulk roid rage!!!!

    it all makes sense.

    lastly… here’s a comparison.

    Drew Peterson (corrupt wife killer cop) , Barry Bonds, OJ Simpson, Roger Clemens.

    what do those 4 have in common?

    i think they are all dilusional in thinking that they can trick the entire world.

  99. pitpat71 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:20 pm

    Obviously, this blog is one place in which we’re lucky enough to bend the ear of a bona fide MLB baseball player, a player who’s made himself available to the general public.

    Sadly, some of us can’t quite handle that kind pressure and need to find some way to stand out from the rest of the group. Most of them are Curt haters and rather than engage in a honest debate of whatever topic Curt chooses, they use it as a chance to heckle him like some drunken Yankee fan chanting “a**hole” from the bleachers.

    Nevertheless, I don’t need 12 jurors to tell whether OJ cut his wife’s head off, or a court of law to “prove” Clemens or Bonds was or is on the juice.

    The truth is there for anyone brave enough to face it, and as far as I’m concerned, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it’s a godamn duck!

    Stick to your guns Curt. They’re gonna love you or hate you no matter what you say. This blog, for me at least, is a chance for me to gain some insight on your POV which you’ve been nice enough to share with us.

    Merry Christmas!

    Roger

  100. tw1590 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:21 pm

    Curt hang it up. You have had 4 good years in your entire career and the rest have been average or below average. I guess we are to believe you didn’t use anything when you went from being very injury prone to two twenty win seasons in Arizona over night. I don’t buy and you need to prove to everyone that you were clean. For someone who loves to toot his horn and obviously thinks he is quite intelligent you might find in very difficult to prove a negative, or perhaps your less than brilliant mind does not comprehend that concept. It really would be best for baseball for you to shut up and go away.

    You say Clemens should give his four Cy Young awards to the rightful winners. How do you know they didn’t cheat. As they say Curt, “Don’t go away mad just go away”.

  101. agenovese820 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:23 pm

    Curt,

    What’s the whole thing about? If it’s about the welfare of the players (which it isn’t), I could see why its such a big deal. It seems everyone, including yourself is so upset about the un-even playing field. It’s just a game, you can’t take it that seriously. Things are never even, whether its AL-NL, natural size and strength of players, or other resources available to some players. Please tell me, why is everyone in such a huff over steroids??

  102. mugs2112 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:23 pm

    I agree with you Curt, if they are found to have cheated the records that they broke or awards they achieved should be stricken from the records. Baseball needs to send a strong message to everyone that they realize there is/was a problem and that they aren’t going to let anyone get away with it anymore. I’m glad that you voiced your opinion as I’m sure it’s shared by many more people.

  103. persiphonehellecat permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:26 pm

    Rumor is you are the player who went to Mitchell before the report came out with a lawyer and proved you threw away steroids … ONCE. Prove YOU are innocent Curt. From what I saw there were no RedSox on that list and I wondered why. Either Mitchell protected you guys or you have your own drug dealer. Come one – some RedSox must have been doing them. But to see NONE on the list was a travesty.

    We know what Roger Clemens’ workout schedule is like. We know what his work ethic is. We also know that McNamee was permanently banned from the Yankee clubhouse and later fired by Clemens for a sexual assault on a young woman during spring training. But that isn’t IN the Mitchell report is it? Mc Namee has every reason to be upset with Clemens. He lost his job. He had every reason to name him in revenge. And yes, no matter what you may think – he is innocent until proven guilty – just as you are.

    As for the other Yankees on the list, how did steroids help them? Did they make Kevin Brown stronger when he punched out a locker room wall and broke his wrist? Or did they just help him suck on the mound? Did they help Chuck Knoblock throw one over the Yankee dugout and knock out a lady in the stands? Villone – wow they made him a real star. Justice – Yankee one year. Not much. You know good and well the only name on that list is Clemens and you are making it a personal vendetta.

    Prove the blood on your sock was real, babe.

    Persi

  104. theillien permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:27 pm

    Your thoughts on people calling these guys ‘rats’ is spot on. My jaw hit the floor when I heard Peter Gammons call them “sewer rats” on ESPN immediately after the Mitchell briefing. I lost a great deal of respect for him that day.

  105. crosetti2 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:27 pm

    yanksfanfor25,

    I checked the list of names at the NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2007/12/13/sports/20071213_MITCHELL_FEATURE.html#) and did not see Trot or Johnny on the list.

    On an unrelated note, does Curt actually respond to comments to his postings?

  106. dlstern permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:27 pm

    Curt:

    It is astonishing to me that the role of agents/attorneys hasn’t even been questioned in all of this steroid talk. Do you really think Dennis Gilbert didn’t have Jose’s nutritionist on speed dial, seeing as any capitalist would, the amount of money he stood to make from Jose taking steroids and taking his agent’s 5% on the hundreds of millions of dollars of steroid “upside” ?

    While I wrote about this on it is amazing to me that more legitimate members of the press haven’t even begun to examine the role that those who were in a prime position to benefit the most but pay the least, played in this scandal. Having been a small time agent years ago, who happened to represent coincidentally one named Mitchell report player, I promise you that agents big and small not only knew exactly what was going on in baseball, but often crossed the line from acts of omission to acts of commission. Your thoughts?

  107. brianpoe permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:28 pm

    Curt,

    I have been a loyal Sox fan for many years, and was present to witness the Yaz Triple Crown, and the impossible dream of lore.

    I respect your position on the Clemens issue, but I am shocked, and amazed, that you are PRO – GEORGE W. BUSH.

    Are you that NAIVE?

    Or were you brainwashed in one of those moronic bible belt parts of America where they actually believe that this guy cares about Americans.

    Wake up Curt. Curt….WAKE UP! Your in a dream, and it’s time to get back to reality.

    Best wishes on your finale season. Hopefully the injuries or stamina required to continue pitching, won’t require Steroids to keep the fans happy by continuing your career.

    Or, in closing, maybe your just bucking for a position in the league as some hot shot who thinks he knows it all.

    If you support George W. Bush, your not someone I want making important decisions regarding MLB.

    Enough said, pitch well my friend this year, and savor the final days.

  108. ridgecounter permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:28 pm

    The essence of the issue surrounding performance enhancing drugs is far greater than each of the names presented by the Mitchell Report. The seminal concerns rest in the acceptance of cheating as a method for achieving success. Any true fan of baseball that read your challenge to Roger Clemens should understand your position. In order for a star such as Clemens to thoroughly clear his history regarding such substances, he must stand up to his accusers adamantly, without hesitation. He must specifically and categorically deny such usage and be ready, if necessary, to legally force his accusers to prove involvement in order to defend his innocence in this matter.
    Anything short of this response must be interpreted as guilt and if guilt is the outcome he must be established as a blistering example that the game and the fans will not tolerate such abhorrent behavior.
    If the steroid age of baseball has proved anything it is this, players from the Golden Age of the game such as Aaron, Mays, Mantle, Clemente, Ruth, Williams and Gehrig, to name a few, were phenomenon. Glorious representatives of a glorious game long past.

  109. asu1990 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:29 pm

    Let me begin by saying I am not a fan of Roger Clemens (or Curt Schilling for that matter), but asking a man to prove he didn’t commit an act for which no evidence exists either way, is ridiculous. Equally as ridiculous is you questioning whose integrity should be called into question. The author of the Washington Post article states that the “rat” didn’t give Senator Mitchell any information until he was facing jail time, and then told the Senator “what he wanted to hear.” The author then wonders what motivation the “rat” would have to lie. Hmm… I haven’t a clue.

    You say that in the court of public opinion, the opposite of innocent until proven guilty is true. You’re right about that, but the old “it is what it is” line is beneath anyone with even the slightest bit of common sense. I shouldn’t be surprised considering it came from someone invoking the O.J. Simpson Bronco chase to prove his point. The difference? As I recall, O.J. was fleeing the police while holding a gun to his head.

    I have a challenge for you. I defy you to prove you’ve never used steroids. Ready? Go.

  110. nydiehard79 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:30 pm

    Hello Curt once again I’m here to spend a few moments of my life trying to discern what you feel is fact and what you feel is passing judgment before the truth is known. Is the growing consensus that the Rocket used performance enhancing drugs the answer to that would be yes, as a fan I feel that if it is all true and by the amount of players coming forward it looks like it might be. I simply need to state the facts the player that was and is Roger Clemens was loved by many hated by some he was one of the most competitive pitcher to ever grace a baseball mound and until lately was considered a freak of nature. I will admit in all honesty have we all heard the rumors surrounding Roger for years, yes I know I have heard about the alleged doping and growth hormone usage and that might very well be the case, who are we to condemn anyone let alone a man who might arguably go down as the best ever, let’s not forget that steroid use has been rampant for over 30 years in almost all major sports and until now that hallowed redcords are being broken is this becoming a huge huge issue. Mr. Schilling you are in your own right a great pitcher , a clutch post season performer and a great humanitarian for what you do for your community and such, but do not think that, that allows you the right to persecute anyone in an open forum such as you have done with Mr. Clemens. I know being a diehard yankee fan for over 20 years that you and many other great red sox players have been my teams biggest challenge and to me it’s great that the rivalry is alive and well it’s what makes sports so great and so perplexing at the same time. I know the trainers and suppliers in the mitchell investigation were from new york or the oakland area therefore the majority of the players listed will be from those regions, but do you honestly think that only those cities those teams produce drug users and cheaters I think you know better than that if you believed that then maybe I’m wrong about your intelligence but I think not. I’ve heard numerous fans screaming for suspensions , bans, achievements to be wiped away. Well let me tell you it cannot happen fairly in this sport because the full scope in which people cheat or use these drugs will never truly be known. Did players admit to cheating yes some have, have others denied yes some have, what does that prove? To me condeming anyone in a public forum is just wrong it shows a lack of class a lack of fully understanding the legal and judicial rights garnered to us by the constitution. In closing Mr. Schilling until we know all of the offenders who are we to judge , hell who are we to even attempt to judge we are just pawns in the great scheme of life and life to to short to jump on assumptions and allegations as we all know Mr. Schilling when you assume you make an as out of you and me, thank you for your time and once again,,,,,GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  111. damcoach permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:32 pm

    Here is my whole problem with the steroid era. In 1995, the year after the strike, I was able to go to a game at Dodger Stadium and sit on the Field level for $15. Those same tickets today are $60. That is a 400% increase. Now I can hear the wise person saying that is inflation. Well in 1983, I sat in those same seats for $8, so yes there was some inflation but at less than 100% not 400%. What happend? Star power plain and simple.

    Baseball became popular because it was an everyman’s sport. You looked at the players and they were no different than you and me except they had skills that set them apart. We could live just a little bit of our dreams thru these guys, our personal brothers. That all changed when these men morphed into the beast that we see out there today.

    Steroids and other performance enhancers changed that. And we (the fans) like the dumb saps that we are bought into it because we still wanted to live a little bit of that dream. We might as well as just cheer for video games because honestly the player today are just as make believe.

    My favorite part today is the player who said they took the stuff to recover from an injury. “So you were dealt a bad break, you were also dealt a great break by being blessed with the skills you were able develop just to be able to put on that unform.” I guess once the big checks come rolling in they forget about how lucky they are and just worry about the greed they have develop. “I’m just trying to help my family”, aren’t we all? I guess he who stops counting their blessings, count their money instead.

    Which brings me to who is to blame? The players made more money. Average salary in 1995 was $1.07 million, average salary today is $2.95 million. That is almost a 200% rise. Don’t forget they added over 75 jobs during that time (two new teams plus a roster expansion from 24 to 25). The owners also made more money (remember the 400% increase). Okay my salary did go up more than 200% during that time but I did graduate from college the following year and $9/ hr lifeguarding is pretty easy to triple. So the players and owners benefited and we paid 400% more. I guess it is easy to see who is to blame (as long as you have a mirror).

  112. bananakaboom permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:33 pm

    Crossdogg2005, how do I join the “The Curt Schilling Deportation Commitee”? I imagine you are already in the billions in terms of membership, but I know a lot of folks that would love to see Curt deported to Cuba or Siberia or in the Grand Canyon somewhere! I can think of about 12 pitchers, including Clemens, I would like to have on my team before even thinking of Curtis Montague (whose use of Montague as a middle name is an affront to George Washington’s grandmother as well as Peter Montague).

  113. blompiter permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:34 pm

    Curt, I’m impressed with your sincerity and honesty. From this BLOG and other quotes you’ve made in the past, I believe you are always honest and say exactly what you think. I don’t agree with everything you say, but I respect your right to say it, and I trust your honesty and sincerity. I believe you have a lot in common (honesty and sincerity-wise) with my favorite musician, Elton John. Like Elton, you say what you really feel, you admit that you’re human (and have made mistakes, like us all), and when you feel strongly about something, you “tell it like it is” from your perspective. Sometimes, you have been complained about in the media because you are so opinionated. Some of these complaints may have implied that you are egotistical. However, like Elton, I don’t think you are egotistical — passionate and opinionated, yes, but egotistical, no. Elton and you have stated that you are each fans of others in your professions. You have stated quite clearly (that pending the truth about Roger Clemens’ alleged substance abuse) that you are a fan of his, and you consider him the greatest pitcher ever. Similarly, Elton is a huge fan of many other musicians, and he has never implied he thought he was “the greatest”. Maybe this post is a bit off-topic, but I just wanted to commend you on your passion, honesty, and sincerity. Even though there are some of your past public comments and opinions that are totally opposite mine, I find you to be quite a “character” (I mean this as a compliment), and quite likable. You are your own man, and good for you. Ron (Tampa Bay Rays and Philadelphia Phillies fan).

  114. bananakaboom permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:34 pm

    And who knows, perhaps that bloody sock was while Curtis Montague was experiencing PMS….

  115. soxfc permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:37 pm

    You know, I almost posted a comment to your previous entry about how making a judgment (personal or otherwise) about someone’s innocence or guilt based on their reaction to the accusation is treading on some pretty shaky ground, but I realized that in my gut, I’m inclined to believe this one about Roger. (It is still a slippery slope though, and I think it was the call for him to give back his awards that most of us were uncomfortable with. I don’t think that should happen without hard proof. In your own words: “Take away all personal awards won by players **caught cheating**.” What constitutes “caught”?)

    I think the key phrase was that even though you offered “One players take,” you explicitly stated your opinion “as a fan.” Roger isn’t one of my biggest heroes, but if one of ‘my guys’ were in the position he’s in now, damn straight I’d want him to convince me he’s clean. If that’s immature hero-worship, then mea culpa.

    I disagree with you on *a lot* of things and won’t even get into some discussions with you, but this makes a few times recently that I can see your point of view when you’ve pissed a lot of people off. I’m either being brainwashed or you’re an OK guy.

  116. joanne8888 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:38 pm

    Really you are full of yourself. Why because he is a Yankee now he is guilty. I really do not think anyone is perfect in your profession and you really should just stay out of it instead of adding to the baloney. Hence the spotlight drops on you how many “nutritional Supplements” do all you guys take NOS, Creatine etc…

    I work in the Sport Nutrition industry and know first hand that most of you all take some type of supplement. Just because its not on the list does not make it right. How did you pitch with your foot injured, pain killers? Oh but because its script its ok. You really are a hypocrite and Boston can keep you and your lame attitude.

    J

  117. steelers1974 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:38 pm

    Curt,

    I have always liked you as a pitcher and person, but I think you are going a bit overboard on this one. I can agree with your statement on Jose Canseco as he has admitted to the use of inhancing drugs. I also respect that you have stated you do not know Roger to have used but due to the impact he has had on your carreer you need him to be able to explain matters.

    Saying that I think you should read over your writing (which i am quite sure as a proffessional you have) but this time not to proof read but to understand what you have said and your own personal feelings behind the matter. You seem to be more hurt over someone you respected, to be in the report than about the facts at hand. When has one in America had to PROVE their innocents? If you need Roger to explain things because it has personally upset you then pick up a phone call him but dont ask him to prove his innocents or give up 192 earned wins and 4 earned CY Youngs. Please Curt stand back from this and put your personal feeling aside and look at the entire picture. I personally think you owe Roger an appologie, and if, I say IF, Roger is found to have used substances with out any reasonable doubt, then and only thrn does Roger owe you, and us as fans an appologie. That would be the proper time to then began to question and wonder about records and achievements of this future HOFer and prob the best pitcher to take the mound.

    Furthermore, as a friend wouldnt one be on the side of thier friend. Be there for them, help them to find a way to address the things they have been charged with. Isnt your friendship of more value than getting traffic to your commentary?

    Again I stress I am a fan of yours Curt as well as Rogers and a die hard Cardinals fan who wished you would have came here this offseason. Moreover I am a fan of baseball and believe this whole debocle needs fixed. I do not however understand how you can live with some of the comments you have made and questions you have asked of Roger to answer in a public forum.

    Regards

    Gerald Day

  118. inkfinger permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:38 pm

    The Salem Witch Hunt.

    McCarthyism.

    The Mitchell Report.

    The line between investigation and persecution is a very fine one. It’s important to keep in mind that accusation is not proof. Convictions– whether in court or in the public eye– should be built on evidence and due process. It’s one of the foundations upon which this incredible country was built.

    Is Roger Clemens a cheater? Probably– at least that’s my gut reaction. But was Goody Proctor a witch? Was Orsen Wells a communist? Heck, was Jose Canseco a liar? If any good is to come out of this situation, if those bearing iniquities are to be brought to justice in the name of baseball, we must reserve judgment until fact replaces hearsay.

    Mr. Schilling, I greatly respect your opinion. I respect you even more so for your consistent willingness to voice opinions that might be unpopular– for being an actual human being where most professional athletes seem like mindless drones, spitting out the cliches and coach-speak fed to them by PR people.

    If I might offer my own humble opinion, the worst thing about all this steroid use is that it has cast doubt upon innocent players, it has dirtied the reputation of otherwise clean men. But if we simply assume that those mentioned in the Mitchell Report are guilty, then we are committing the same injustice.

  119. crossdogg2005 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:38 pm

    cowchip…

    according to your absurd statement anyone can make an accusation and the recipient of that is guilty by preponderance. Thus, I’m claiming that you were in my barn last night having your way with my farm animals so I’m calling the police and the press. Now go climb back in bed with your sister-wife and leave the intellect to us.

    The Curt Schilling Deportation Commitee

  120. goldglove permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:39 pm

    While I agree with Curt on the premise that Roger should give back his awards, I also refuse to recognize Barry Bonds as the all time home run leader, the fact remains that in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is on the accuser not the person being accused. Clemens does not have to refute the allegations. It is up to the accuser to prove them.

    As far as the comment left by yanksfanfor25 is concerned, you raise a good point however, the Mitchell Report does not state that Damon or Nixon used any performance enhancing substances while they were with the Red Sox. Even if it did, your argument that Curt return his World Series ring could hold true for every player on every team that won the World Series during the steroid era, including the Yankees

  121. johnnyironboard permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:39 pm

    The problems with baseball -where to begin…. Before 1919 the game was fixed so nothing counts. Before 1947 Blacks were not allowed to play so nothing should count. After 1945 the WWII vets introduced stimulants. Steroid use began in the olympics in 1954 so it is naive to believe that it didn’t hit MLB until the mid 1990’s. Dogging drugs for performance enhancement seems very hypocritical when you consider that elbow surgery for pitchers and laser surgery enhance performance.

    Hall of Fame? who cares. Leave out Pete Rose, Roger Clemens, and Barry Bonds and fill it with weak hitting middle infielders? Go ahead.

  122. mazz53 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:42 pm

    Hey Curt,

    First off we miss you out here in Arizona!!

    After reading the other posts, as a female fan of baseball and a Mom, I have come to learn one thing. Unfortunately, baseball like other sports is played not for the fun of the game, but for the money. There is a root to this mess. As a Mom who has kids in sports, this is how the young fans are looking at it.

    In watching my children as well as nieces and nephews play sports, I have witnessed parents who live vicariously through their kids and groom them to be discovered by some scout who will lift them out of their burbs and rest them into some mansion in Paradise Valley or Miami along with their parents and family. Problem is, a lot of these parents never knew the athletes were juiced…

    Once they hit the big time, as the kids call it, they plan on their kids getting paid unheard of salaries to play the game. They have lifestyles no fan could ever afford and are under pressure to keep playing until their bodies can’t physically anymore to keep up that lifestyle. Along with the bills for the lifestyle, the pressure from the wife and family as well as keeping up with appearances. So they get juiced on this crap to be well enough to continue their lifestyle and pressures from the media. That is ridiculous…

    To your poster who mentioned about your cortisone shots and the performance juice these athletes used….BIG difference. I have been in sports therapy over 10 years and can vouche for that. Than again, I can hear it now, since botox has a small amount of steroid in it, people using botox are juicers, too……see how ridiculous that is??

    Regulation was in place about this stuff when they were doing it and they knew it. But I think as a Mom it is now a little too late for all of this to be coming out. As far the trophies and rings being returned….take a look at Olympic athletes who have had to return their medals. Shit, that is a shame placed on the whole country.

    It teaches a lesson and maybe we need to get back to playing sports for the sport rather than the money.

    20 Moms in Mesa say Kudos, Curt!

  123. dp1234 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:43 pm

    why do people let this idiot talk? is there any subject he wont shoot his mouth off on no matter how ignorant he is of the topic?

  124. mpasso permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:43 pm

    Curt,

    You say Clemens should sue to clear his name. You ask that he prove he didnt use performance enhancing drugs. My question to you is……How do you prove something you didn’t do? It’s the burden of the accuser to prove that he DID use. It’s like asking somebody to prove that they’ve never been to New Jersey, or to prove you don’t like mustard. You also say he should give back his Cy Young awards. My question to you is if it were proven somebody on your Red Sox used this past year, would you give back the world series title? My guess is no. So before you ramble on with your “opinions”, think about what your asking for.

  125. didiasku permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:44 pm

    to follow up post 90…I assume you never knew that ANYONE was using or abusing illegal substances of any kind. Seeing that you are a prince, you would have turned in any teammate for disgracing the game, right? Anytime you pitch, you count on your teammates to play D and score runs or you can’t win, so how about you turn over all your wins (and losses) anytime that any player named in the allegations played in. This is only fair?

    You are one of the easiest players in baseball to dislike and I mean that in the worst way possible. Being a cub fan I used to hate Eckstein, but because he played the game hard and always killed the cubs. So it wasn’t really hate as it was more envy of not having that hard nosed player on my team. On the other hand, with you, I dislike you because you are in the media always crying about someone or something else, or a bloody sock, or some other distraction from the game itself. After reading your post, you say Clemens’ taught you a lot. It’s too bad he didn’t teach you honor, pride, and most of all humility.

    Please do take the time to go through all your wins/losses/starts/awards and make sure you give all that back to the game as it is unfair for you to take on any of these things with all the cheating that has happened. Oh wait, I’m sorry, I forgot, the Mitchell report was the first you heard of steroids and drugs and other illicit ongoings. Stand up to your word and do something instead of taking a media backseat

  126. davecurr permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:45 pm

    Hey Curt,

    I’m not going to come on here as some have and rip on you for your opinions, you are more then intitled to them. I do however have a problem with you calling out a guy who has done so much for the game as Roger Clemons has done, and tryed to villiphy him over unfounded and unproven allegations. I beleive that people are innocent until proven guilty and from where i sit i have not seen one offer of proof in the mitchell report on any player. I also have to wonder why you would single out perhaps the greatest player in the game and say he should forfeit his cy young awards yet i dont here you mentioning anything in regards to your teammates from 2004 world series Johnny Damon and Trot Nixon, i dont hear you saying that they need to return there world series rings. I would hope that you as a ball player that has had a great career would not want to go out on a note like this and i hope that you can realize that you cannot just single out one guy when there where 86 names on that list. i would also hope that you if added to this list would be saying to the senator or to bud selig to show actual proof of the steroid use and not just sum i heard from this guy that said he gave this to this person. thankx for your time .

    have a merry xmas

  127. trot7 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:45 pm

    Curt,
    First, thank you for posting the link I sent a few weeks back (http://www.firstgiving.com/lindyanderson ). Lindy has raised about $1,400 so far.

    I disagree with the credit you give both Pettite and Brian Roberts for two reasons. First, they only admited it because they got caught, and second, they somehow feel that because they did it to get back from an injury it was not “gaining an advantage”. Try telling that to the AAA player who missed a start or some at bats because the chemicly enhanced player came back. If Wally Pipp had a little HGH in his coffee maybe your efforts to cure ALS never even begin.

    OH, and YanksFanfor25, Damon and Trot was not named in the Mitchell Report. That was a rumor that Deadspin.com started.

  128. canes7 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:46 pm

    Everyone including yourself needs to let this stuff die and go away. Baseball is at fault period, solve it and let’s move on. You always spew this holier than thow crap, guess that is the Republican way after all. Reality is many people have been taking advantage, peeking at someones test in school way back when or plagiarizing material or having someone else write for them (you are a suspect here)- once you take advantage you are in the same boat – there is no difference. How many people would give back the college diplomas (in your case JUCO) if they cheated and did not get caught- the answer is not many. Because most people are hypocrites just like you, all people have flaws and make mistakes, it is best to not point out others mistakes and act like you have class. The blaming of others for everything is not the right way to go, it is time for everyone else to look in the mirror. So Curt if you are perfect have at it, but all of us know you are not, you are just coming off as the male version of Ann Coulter, alot to say that does not help anything and is divisive in nature. You could do so much more by bringing people together Curt -what a waste of a pulpit.

  129. tc27 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:48 pm

    dmargolin,

    Is having a press conference and expressing your innocence and taking questions all Clemens needs to do to clear his name? My God, I didn’t know it was that simple. I’m calling Rog right now and telling him that. The Jay Mariottis of the world will all take back what they have said and insure they will vote him in the HOF. Man, that was easy!!!!!!

  130. December 20, 2007 2:48 pm

    You are absolutely right Curt! It’s not like these guys tripped and fell on a needle. It’s not like they slipped and fell. This is no accident or mistake. It was a conscious decision they all made to better their career.
    Bottom line, they all knowingly cheated and I think they should throw out every year they ever played. Any stats or awards won, handed over to the rightful owners.

    There are more people that play fair and square and have to play against these steriod freaks. Push out the percentage of players that are cheating and it will make a statement to todays youth. We have to show the future of baseball that we won’t stand for cheaters. There are lots high school kids that are getting the worng idea right now. Most of them think it’s okay. I hope MLB sends a clear message to todays youth. Don’t cheat!

    I haven’t liked Roger since he spit on Boston when he left. We loved him here. Then he gave us a reason to dislike him. Now he’s giving us a reason to remember why we don’t like him. I’m happy he got caught cheating. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy,lol.

    Kick these guys out for life and strip them of everything!

    Look at Pete Rose, he was my idle as a kid. Baseball ruined his life because he wanted to make some bets. I still don’t think he ever won or lost on purpose through his betting. Atleast I hope….I think he was so confident, he was betting on his team all the time,lol.. But to me, Pete wasn’t a cheater and he was banned for life…Now I look back at that terrible decision. I still don’t think he should have got that kind of punishment. But at the time, it was a punishment that fit the crime.

    All these guys using steriods should get consequences far worse than being banned for life. It would be a fair punishment to fit the crime.

    I been reading your blog for a while, this is my first comment. Take care Curt, I hope you and your family have a great holiday season!

    Lisa

  131. tombrown1968 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:53 pm

    Hi Curt:

    So, in the Katie Couric interview, A-Rod declined to speak out against his fellow ballplayers, saying something to the extent that she was putting him in an awkward position vis-a-vis the people he works with.

    But, in strongly communicating your feelings about how Roger Clemens should return his Cy Youngs, you seem to be unafraid of drawing the ire of others in the clubhouse who’d rather you shut up.

    This appears to the be the first step in getting all this mess behind us: People willing to speak the truth.

    So, I would like to ask you some questions since the whole steriod thing seems to be a big clubhouse secret. I am under the impression that MANY ballplayers know and knew about the use of Performing Enhancing Drugs for many years. What did you know or see in the clubhouse? What was the locker room chatter on the subject like? How often did the topic come up and how many guys were doing the talking? I believe that if the general public really knew the locker room culture, we might come to understand the whole PED era. Only then will baseball be able to move forward. Right now, there’s too much unknown, and so as new pieces of information come out it’s like throwing another log on a dying fire. Just have a big ole’ bonfire and get it over with.

    I would think that knew about the situation a long time ago. Since you are willing to speak out in such strong terms about Roger, let’s hear the full story. From you, and everyone. When did you first hear of PED’s in baseball and tell us the locker room story from that point on.

    Thanks.

  132. acumen44 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:53 pm

    Again, Curt, you have an opportunity as one of the more vocal members of your union. Use the Red Sox and your popularity as a platform, kind of like you did in your pro-Bush rallies in 2004, to force the MLBPA and the players to accept Olympic level drug testing. If you are truly upset as a fan and a player, well you are in the unique position to make something happen. As a fan, I am looking only for someone to come out and try and fix the problem, I do not care about blame any longer.

    My concern is not for who is guilty, my interests lies with who I know did not use steroids and showing as much respect and love for those players. When talking to my kids or my nieces and nephews I will make an effort to point out the players who play the game the correct way.

    If you want a soapbox to express your views, well why not take on the real issue here: the fact that the players, owners, media and most importantly the MLBPA let this situation get this bad.

  133. yawkeyoveryankeeanyday permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:56 pm

    I LOVE how all of a sudden everyone commenting knows the ins and outs of baseball…or has M.D. after their name.

    It’s a little hyprocritical that people are telling Curt to shut his mouth…but are sitting here reading EVERY word he has to say.

    Curt has the freedom to write whatever he wants (which he BOLDLY labels as his OPINION)…just like you have the freedom to click the X at the top of the screen if you don’t like what you see.

  134. ppmprez permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:56 pm

    Hey yanksfanfor25,
    You should check your facts before naming people who are not listed in the Mitchell Report. Neither Johnny Damon nor Trot Nixon were listed. So in the name of honesty as you should apologize for doing so!

  135. southfield2001 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:57 pm

    Well, Curt, how does Clemens go about clearing his name?
    If you test him today, he’s going to test negative for steroids. Is that good enough?
    Is there blood of his from 10 years ago that can be tested?
    Ridiculous. The poster who pointed out several of your own teammates from the 04 World Series are in that report is right: you should return your World Series ring if Clemens should return his Cy Youngs. You guys cheated just as surely as Clemens did or, conversely, you guys didn’t cheat and neither did he because it hasn’t been proved.
    The Mitchell report basically becomes a he-said, he-said sort of thing.
    Move on…all of us baseball fans know the sport was screwed up with performance enhancing drugs for years and that now there have been moves to rectify the situation. Unless players admit their use, there’s nothing that can be done to retroactively right the wrongs and it’s just a knowledge will have to live with.
    Enough with tossing names around and watching the mud stick to people.

  136. history493 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:57 pm

    Curt, the bible says to “judge not.” (Matthew 7:1)

  137. yankiesboi permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:57 pm

    Okay Curt, so your telling us that Rocket benefited from the steroids, hence he won so many Cy Youngs? Is that it? Cause if thats the case, then you should return your 2001 Championship ring because you benefited from Matt Williams as your third basemen, who used HGH and anabolic steroids. So if Roger has to give back his Cy Young’s and you return your 2001 World Series ring, or does that not even matter to you because you’ve won with the Sox.

  138. redrider099 permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:59 pm

    Long-time Jay trainer never saw evidence of Clemens pumping up
    But Craig felt uneasy about Toronto’s hiring of the Rocket’s accuser

    http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/287274
    Tommy Craig, who spent 25 years with the Blue Jays organization and was head trainer with the club during Roger Clemens’ 1997 and ’98 seasons in Toronto, says he never saw anything to suggest the Rocket used steroids.

    “Roger never gave me any reason to believe anything like that was going on,” Craig said this week from Florida, where, for the past year, he has worked as a trainer in Milwaukee’s minor league system.

    “He was a hard-working fool, a guy that you’d wish every one of your players would model themselves after as far as fitness and training and, on game day, his focus and all that. But I never saw anything out of the ordinary. I mean, Roger didn’t get obviously bigger. He didn’t change, didn’t get a squeaky voice, didn’t have any hair sprouting out. I didn’t have any reason to believe anything was going on.”

    Craig, however, did recall feeling “very uncomfortable” with Brian McNamee, who was hired on as the Jays’ strength and conditioning coach for the ’98 season and who, last week, outed Clemens as an alleged steroids user in the Mitchell Report. Clemens has since vigorously denied all allegations.

    “It was kind of shaky how he came aboard,” Craig said of McNamee’s hiring. “(Tim) McCleary (the Jays’ assistant GM at the time) hired him and I didn’t have a whole lot to say about it. I wasn’t that concerned, but he just didn’t have the best resumé of all the ones I looked at.

    “I just never connected with him. I was very uncomfortable with the guy … right from the start. He was just shaky. You were very leery. You wanted to stay at arm’s distance. He was a pipeline (to McCleary) and I didn’t want to be the brunt of any of his stories.”

    Craig, though, was well aware that Clemens and McNamee had established a close relationship.

    “I ended chalking that up to the fact that Roger was probably going to do that with whoever our strength guy was,” Craig said. “I mean, he was the guy who took care of him when he was healthy … when he didn’t need me, so to speak.

    “I really only even saw Roger pretty much on game day. He’d come in (to the trainers’ room) and I’d stretch him out, give him a shoulder rub, wrap his groin.

    “Again, I didn’t see anything to back up any evidence anything like this (steroids) was going on. I never saw any paraphernalia, nothing like that. It may have been going on, but I didn’t see it in my arena, my area.”

  139. betadog permalink
    December 20, 2007 2:59 pm

    Curt I’ve always respected you as a player and for what you brought to Boston, but this is one of those cases where you should have let it play out a bit before throwing your two cents in. A player that jumps right out there and denies isn’t in any better of a position than a player who looks at his options before doing so. I’d like to give Roger the benefit of a doubt at this point since he has done nothing thus far to discredit himself. Let the chips fall where they may then pass your judgment down, but until then enjoy the holidays and worry about your own performance…

  140. cfri02863 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:01 pm

    Curt is just like AROD full of himself. Who cares if MLB player use or not is because of it that baseball is where it is now getting more popular every year. Curt should just MHOMFB (mind his own mother-fucking business). He is just mad he will never be as cared about and loved by fans like the great Roger Clemens is. AND YES I AM A RED SOX FAN.

  141. 900eof permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:02 pm

    I may be totally mistaken, but aren’t you always one of the dudes leading the PA… who are totally against any and all testing (until forced upon by Congress)??

    The PA’s argument is that other workers (office, construction, teachers) don’t have to get drug-tested.. but accounting and building are not 1) our national pastime or 2) monopolies.

    I love what you’re saying about Clemens, but unless I’m wrong, shouldn’t you, as a leader of the PA, be arguing fervently for increased testing, instead of blocking the owners at every turn in their desire to clean up the game?

    Would you be considered a sell-out to your fellow players if you came out publicly for increased testing? Just thinking out loud…

  142. astrosdominant permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:03 pm

    hey Curt, consider this: Technically you and every other individual in modern baseball are “cheaters” too. I’ll explain. Relative to an individual born in 1900, you have had tremendous “unnatural” advantages, i.e. from immunizations to nutrition to access to scientific literature relating to health, performance, and technique. What is a level playing field? In school, some groups of people get access to great study guides that correspond perfectly to the teachers’ tests. They do well and are rewarded, but for what? For having an advantage.

    And then figure this, why should anybody admire natural ability. Oh, great, you were born with a body that naturally produces a great quantity of steroids. Let’s worship you for an advantage that wasn’t earned. To think for a second that you or any the other “standout” on the baseball field worked that much harder than the bench players is delusional. You and the rest of the pros made it to the big leagues because of a combination of things including: hard work, luck, and natural ability. It’s ridiculous that we as a society are so caught in natural/unearned ability. So my legs are longer than yours and I can take longer steps and because a sport is designed for people with longer legs I’m admired. The sport could just have easily been designed for people with shorter legs and then you’re admired. It’s a frickin joke. I admire the will not the resources.

  143. stoppingin permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:06 pm

    For those who may be confused about names that were NOT in the Mitchell report, please see below:

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12142007/sports/it_sucks__damon_furious_at_being_named_o_848324.htm

    Johnny Damon, Trot, and others were supposedly in the report, erroneously reported by an NBC station in NYC.

    See the full Mitchell Report here:
    http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf

  144. dtroydman permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:06 pm

    A “grain assault”?? (reply #3) How funny are some of these nutjubs? Curt you have every right to speak your mind and you should be commended for doing so not reprimanded; regardless of each an every ‘other’ person’s opinion. When will people understand? And they are on YOUR site reading YOUR blog! I don’t need to stick up for you; I know that you must laugh too at some of your replies. And yet it is scary to know how unreasonably and rash some people think. Then they reprimand you for being rash. Strange world we live in. Not many true thinkers left. KEEP IT UP BUDDY. You’re one of the few good guys.

  145. blaiser permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:07 pm

    Dear Mr. Schilling:

    Just to add on to your points about “Innocent until proven guilty”, this is not a test of how we live our lives. It is a legal standard which must be attained before a person may be deprived of his/her liberty by the state.

    But, as O.J. Simpson found, while a test of “beyond a reasonable doubt” may be sufficient to allow you to continue to walk free, a test of “more likely than not” is sufficient for the state to attach and sieze your goods. In other words, one does not have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in order to be subject to civil consequences. This is, in reality, much more in keeping with how we live our daily lives. We don’t need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to decide not to extend credit to a deadbeat, avoid a thug in the street, or forbid our daughters from dating guys with six kids.

    In my view, the loss of a Cy Young award, an Olympic gold medal, or the insertion of an asterisk next to your Home Run “record” are much more civil than criminal in terms of punishment.

    Those who raise the “innocent until proven guilty” argument, in such cases are mere apologists.

  146. manobeer permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:09 pm

    As a fan of the game, I would rather forget the 2001 World series…
    Because some of the pitching numbers scream steroids.

    If it walks like a duck…

  147. tedyballgame permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:09 pm

    I just love how all the bashers who want to call Curt Schilling ‘ignorant’ are almost completely illiterate themselves. I mean, “Grain Assault”, … are you kidding me?

    Thank you Curt for sharing your opinions, especially from your rather rare perspective as a veteran MLB player. I think what also came through clearly is that you are even more so a fan of baseball. I think all of us who are or even just once were fans of Roger Clemens would like him to “say it ain’t so.” The court of public opinion is not subject to the rules of any courtroom.

    Merry Christmas to you Curt and all of your family, and to all of Red Sox Nation.

    (I understand you have some new jewelry on the way, but I guess you have to wait ‘til April to get it)

  148. julesg05 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:11 pm

    “Give back the Cy Youngs? No, they should be stripped from Clemens if he is found to have cheated by the use of steroids, just as Jones had her gold medals stripped recently by the Olympic committee for the use of enhancing substances.”–howardsteinberg

    I completely agree with that. Also, wouldn’t Clemens WANT to clear his name? Wouldn’t he WANT to do any and everything in his power to make sure everyone knows he has never used? Why would he want that shadow on his career?

    And one more thing, since this is just a blog, and it does belong to Curt, he is entitled to his opinions, right? So I think the people who don’t like it, shouldn’t read it. That simple.

  149. drybbler1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:11 pm

    The longer Clemen’s waits to take legitimate measures to clear his name, the guiltier he will look. Nuff said…

  150. bronxkeed permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:12 pm

    Curt Curt Curt,

    alot of hot air, with little to no substance. Surely you were aware of the use of steroids by some of the many players you played against, as well as with. Why didn’t YOU do the right thing and stand tall and speak out? Why? Chicken.

    This holier than thou is exactly what I would expect from you. Easy as always to stand on the side lines, with or without a bloody sock, and judge people on the evidence that frankly wouldn’t be admissable in any court here in the U.S or a third world country. You’re a blow hard, and now you smack of cheap jealousy. Should your record show deductions in k’s if you struck out juiced ballplayers? You want Roger to defend himself from the remarks of a batboy? What a joke.

    Let’s put an * next to your name. Just because you have a ring, doesn’t make you a winner. You’re the reason for the term sour grapes. I can only imagine what you would have said if you had come in second to Roger in Cy Young voting. Grow up Curt, your induction into the hall of shame will be unanimous, and your blog, well, shouldn’t you be training? With the last few seasons you’ve put in, I’d think you’d be embarrassed to throw a rock from your own glass house.

    Curt Shilling, loser, cry baby, old man. How about you tell the world what you did while your team mates were getting juiced? Leader? I think not.

  151. dtroydman permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:13 pm

    And a quick reply to reply #90. Dude give up your allegiance for the sake of the game. Give us a break. The WHOLE sport has been infected. Yes it disgusts me, but you can’t go rewarding one team and penalizing another, it makes no sense.

  152. laughingfox permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:15 pm

    An alternative suggestion to deletion or asterisking of records: keep the records, but replace the player’s name with the performance-enhancing drug they took. So the 2001 Cy Young award now belogs to Winstrol (or whichever steroid was used); the all-time home run record belongs to flaxseed oil; and so forth.

    Also, as a lifelong Sox fan, I don’t know what’s going to be harder: accepting that a longtime hero (Clemens…even after he joined the Evil Empire) is probably unworthy of Cooperstown…or admitting that Dan Duquette actually wasn’t the raving idiot I’ve repeatedly accused him of being.

  153. randtor permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:17 pm

    So many diverse opinions, its obvious everyone agrees to disagree. You have made your opinion known, you stand up on issues and are not afraid of sports talk show beatdowns or newspaper jockeys opinions about YOU. Good for you!

    It’s refreshing to hear a professional athlete talk intelligently, with an insider’s viewpoint. There are very few athletes that take a stand publicly, regardless of how their thoughts may affect their status or popularity. At the very least, people know where you stand, and why. You have cajones, Curt!

    As you said, if Clemens was innocent, why isn’t he pursuing legal avenues of approach? Why did he wait to make a statement? Is he the ONLY one that is ‘mistakenly’ named? Common sense tells us otherwise.

    As for the game of baseball, it will go on with or without these juiced up statistics. Whether the stats stay or go, thats a matter for the commish and his directors to decide. We can voice our opinions, but it’s not likely they’ll take our advice. They WILL however, listen to the Players…. and that is who should ultimately have a say in these decisions. You guys played, you know how difficult it is to reach the professional plateau… and stay there, naturally.

    Thanks for posting. It’s great to hear what you, and perhaps others like you, are thinking. At least you are also saying it !

  154. yankee58 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:18 pm

    Curt you can not give back awards or rings. All this misery is now part of the history of the game. However, an asterick and a footnote would be a good thing for the record books.

  155. dc78 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:18 pm

    My opinion on this matter is……well see when it comes to you Mr. Schilling, you always seem to be the self appointed “voice of reason” regardless if its your opinion. You always seem to rub people the wrong way because you act like your sh*t dont stink. It also doesnt matter about your willingness to say you screwed up or you were wrong. You only do that so people can say, “you see, he mans up and admits his faults”. Dude the only thing I can agree on is that what these ball players did was not right and the whole era was more than likely tainted. Some how you always have to throw in your two cents to get a reaction out of the media. I normally wouldnt entertain this but I just wanted to share my thoughts.

    Play out your final year and go home. I respect your game but not your mouth.

  156. theketchupkid permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:18 pm

    Dear Curt,

    Having watched and listened to your big mouth since you arrived in Boston, I have come to the conclusion that if you don’t shoot off your big mouth, now one will know who you are. How can you condemn Roger Clemens when you don’t have any evidence such as a failed drug test that could show him as guilty? How do we know you did not take a shot of something or rub “Clear” on your bloody sock ankle? My guess it was ketchup anyway but that is a story for another day. How can you be so hypocritical by mouthing off at Clemens on your blog but when you had an audience at the congressional hearings your silence was deafening? I’ll leave by saying that your head is so full of yourself I’m surprised your hat fits.

    Sincerely,

    Ron “Ketchup Kid”

  157. jmsilk permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:19 pm

    Curt wants Clemens to give up his Cy Young awards, then should he give up his World Series rings because he did play with guys who used steriods…
    What a joke… Think before you speak….

  158. frogger46 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:19 pm

    curt enjoyed watching u pitch a ball game, though i am not a rabid fan, at least u have shown that having intergity for the game is what’s most important, another former player to whom intergity for the game was most important was cal ripken anyways best of luck to u in the coming season.

  159. irishmafia permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:21 pm

    the only reason why you werent on the mitchell report Curt is because George Mitchell is the Director in your front office

    along with Varitek also

  160. bmf1175 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:23 pm

    I’ll admit Clemens was a cheat when you admit to putting ketchup on that sock…nobody bleeds from ligament damage.

  161. cardog44 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:24 pm

    Curt, I understand what you are saying from a fans standpoint. The problem is this. It is almost impossible to prove. I was a young waiter in 1983, and the IRS did an audit of my return. They came back to me saying they thought I earned almost $40,000. in tips that year. I had made around $16,000 most of it was claimed anyway. When I went to my meeting with them, they told me I had to prove I DIDN”t earn the money. There was no way to do that. Even with bank statements, and an expense list for the year they said I did not prove I didn’t make the money. I ended up paying the tax just to get them off my back. It is kind of the same thing with Clemens. If fans are only going to forgive based on proof he can’t provide, Then he might as well just pay the tax. Anyway thats how I see it.
    Cardog44
    P.S. I didn’t read every comment so if my first post is redundant, sorry about that!

  162. beenthereb4 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:25 pm

    Hey Curt!! Yoo-hoo…

    It’s time to eat!!!…….come down from that 50-foot high soapbox of yours.

    Steel-town.

  163. whiskey07 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:25 pm

    Shill,

    I agree with you up to a point. My problem with this whole situation is how EVERYBODY in baseball, including fans, knew that there was a steroid problem during the “Era” but turned a blind eye to it. You could compare it to the Army’s “Don’t ask, dont tell” policy. Now that baseball is being called out on the carpet, they might as well use Oliver North as a spokseman and answer “I don’t recall” at all the press confrences, acting like this is the biggest news they have ever heard. I am dissapointed at some of the names on the list, but feel that you can’t punish them after letting them do it in the first place. Taking away awards will only lead to a witch hunt, and will never let baseball recover from this. What should be done is put a giant * for the whole era and let future generations learn from it. If baseball takes the proper steps in testing and punishment from here on, they can curtail the use of banned substances. But just like everything in life, the harder you make it for people to cheat, the more ways they will find to beat the system.
    It’s great to hear a player give his honest OPINION on current events, and is something that isn’t done enough. Keep up the GRAT work on and off the field, and I can’t wait to see my SOX take the Series again in ’08!!

    Chris Bearup
    Delmar, NY

  164. billgfrompa permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:26 pm

    Let me ask your opinion on whether Mitchell’s repsonses to the first question and the last question were prepared and contrived? That’s my opinion, that they were. The questions were planted, the answers prepared! My gosh he was practially reading number 1. I don’t get you calling out Clemens or anyone else for that matter. Tell me this about the amazing shrinking Varitek, did he get smaller from one year to the next or is it that Fenway got bigger? Same for Pudge Rodriquez, did he get smaller or is it my imagination? You better start calling out everyone or leave them all alone to dwell with their own conscience. That’s my opinion.

  165. bayareasoxfan34 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:26 pm

    Curt, I normally like what you say, but I have to disagree here. You can’t change the past, only the future. Bud Selig and major league baseball have already done that with the steroid rules and bans. If you want to put asteriks next to every play named in the Mitchell Report, go ahead. If you want to further investigate some of the players using PEDs since 2004 and, if you find out for sure that they used them during the time period that they were banned, feel free to suspend them to start the 2008 season. But to go back and erase everyone who used PEDs from the record books, will be a tough, time consuming, overly complicated task that, in my opinion, would be somewhat pointless. Plus, you can’t be certain how many wins, strikeouts, cy youngs, that Clemens, among other players, had gotten if they had never used steroids. Plus, you’ve got the issue that many of the hitters he faced were on PEDs. Can you really imagine everything that would have happened if no one ever used steroids, because that would be the only right way to rewrite the record books. That just seems to complicated. I think what you have to do is just, put your asteriks if you want, give your suspensions if you want, but just forget the Steroid Era, knowing that you can’t change it, and move on.

  166. dogsofpoker permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:31 pm

    Hey Curt,

    1) You were quoted in the past as saying “50% of players are using HGH & steroids, and 50% are thinking about using.” I am assuming that you were in the latter group.

    2) You were quick to apologize and rescind your comments about Bonds “alleged” steroid use only after he hinted at a lawsuit.

    3) You suggest that we go back in time and take away stats & awards from anyone guilty of using PED’s, I think that to really show how strongly opposed you are to people benefiting from drugs, since you are such an honorable person, you should be the first to step up to the plate. Here is an idea, give back the 2001 ring you won, a direct benefit from the users that were on that team, Matt Williams comes to mind quickly.

    4) Enough with all of these players not being elected into the HOF due to PED’s. If so many players were using during the “steroid era” then they were on an equal playing field. If the PED”S didn’t help the Knoughblachs, Vina’s and all the other less than stellar players on this list achieve HOF careers, than obviously it takes more than just a drug to achieve that status. If you look at the Giambi’s, & Gagne’s of the report, players who were at the top of the game at one point in their careers, the PED’s obviously didn’t seem to “extend” their careers. In fact it was the opposite, they broke down pretty damn quick because of the PED’s.

    5) Finally Curt, stop acting so damn naive about steroids, your GM knew that Gagne was a user, yet still made the trade. Anyone that is so shocked about the report is either a fool or lying. From commissioner Selig down to the fans, everyone knew about it. It’s all about the money. McGwire and Sosa brought fans back to the game after the “1994 War of Millionaires”. Steroids only became an issue after Canseco’s book caught the attention of Congress, and baseballs anti-trust status was threatened. If not for that book, baseball would still be Roiding.

  167. myethanoah permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:31 pm

    Curt….I totally agree with you, and have agreed for a long time. Barry Bonds, and the others who have been proven to have used steroids, or HGH to further their careers should not get awards, get into the hall of fame (with or without an asterisk), etc. What does that teach our children? That its okay to cheat, you will still get what you are after?
    These players that have used PEDs should not be treated the same as the players who haven’t used them, for one simple reason…they cheated. I believe that the players who use PEDs shouldn’t be recognized for their accomplishments, because are those accomplishments really their own, or are they owed to the steroids? In my mind, once someone starts using drugs like that, they can’t ever know if they would have had the same successes that they did while using, than if they had never started.
    Also, I liked Clemens too, but seriously, did ANYONE believe that he wasn’t using something? Come on….he’s HUGE….wasn’t that big in his younger years….usually people don’t get more muscular with age? Also…..take a look at him….he’s getting up there for a pitcher, and has gotten SO massive….did anyone actually think that this was natural??
    Thanks Curt!! Love You!!!

  168. davidkay3 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:32 pm

    Curt, as a player you know better than anybody that the list should be more like 60-80% of the entire league, instead of 60-80 players. So why don’t you set the example by giving up your world series rings from ’04 and ’07 considering that you know for a fact that guys on your team were using ped’s and that they contributed to you personally winning a ring.

  169. clemensfan permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:32 pm

    Curt your so jealous of Roger its not even funny. Like someone stated in another post that when you where pitching with the bloody ankle that you had to have taken some form of meds in order to overcome the pain. Get off your high horse and lets see them prove that each and everyone of these players took banned substances. I think you need to make a phone call and apologize for you statements.

  170. grgeminn permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:35 pm

    What a hypocrit!! Take both of his Red Sox rings away then. Damon and Gagne were on the report also. It makes no sense to me to talk when everything for the last fifteen years is tainted. They know what they were doing. We knew what they were doing and we enjoyed every last second of it. Go Yankees!!

  171. sreed777 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:37 pm

    Curt’s comments do not address the core issue still of baseball. There is no wasy to test for HGH at this point and the records will most likely be tainted still going forward. How is punishing Roger going to help the whole culture of baseball players doing anything to move ahead. Baseball managers, owners and commissioners knew this was going on and for the most part looked away. By doing this they gave their approval to all that went on. It is good to finally clean away some of the old cheats from the game, but lets not forget that the whole culture of baseball sullied the game and tainted all records for fifteen year while this was going on. Making scapegoats of Roger or Barry or whoever is not solving the main issue of bringing the game back to a game. The focus should be on testing for HGH and whatever else is on its way and moving the game back to where it should be focused: on the fans who watch the game and ultimately pay these players and owners to ensure it is played fairly between the lines.

  172. stillearning777 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:38 pm

    I believe those who are mentioned in the report for the use of hgh or steroids, must repent from their sins and come clean for the good of the game. I am also a big fan of the ROCKET however cheating is cheating, sin is sin. If and I say if the Rocket gets into the Hall of Fame then Pete Rose should as well.

  173. dynamic618 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:39 pm

    Curt,

    Asking Roger to prove his innocence is absurd. That would be like saying that you should prove that was real blood on your sock when you pitched after surgery in the playoffs in 2004. I’m not condoning the use of any steroids but I think the burden of proof should be on the accuser not the one being accused. As the Bible states, he who is without sin throw the first stone. I think there are plenty of major league baseball players who have used steroids and all sorts of other illegal drugs, so to villify this man’s career is ridiculous. Roger Clemens was great for baseball and still is and you should be careful when tossing fellow players under the bus because someone might have dirt on you that would be willing to expose it for the right price.

    Robert Bagby

    Austin, TX

  174. mitchman5 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:40 pm

    Too few wealthy people have the willingness — don’t want to use the word courage, because that’s what war heroes have — to speak of their beliefs and convictions. Thankfully, Curt Schilling does and that’s refreshing.

    The United States was formed as the result of people like Samuel Adams and others speaking out against wrong and when people become “muted” — for whatever reason — then everything our forefathers risked their lives, their loved ones lives and, in many cases their fortunes for would be for naught.

    Kudos to baseball people like Bob Feller and Curt Schilling who give you their honest opinion. Anyone who as a problem with that, just simply has a problem. Funny though how those self-righteous “blasters” of Curt don’t have a problem vehemently offering their strong opinions. Very typical of ultra-left, hypocritical Democrats.

    Likewise, anyone who can’t fathom how steroid use is a serious issue also has serious problems. After all, how would you feel if your son had the smarts to not use steroids and had to compete for a minor league or MLB position against players that cheat with drugs that are harmful to their health? To turn a blind eye to that is blindness altogether, not to mention a repugnance for mental exertion. I surmise that those who criticized Curt Schilling on this site are mostly guilty players, their agents, friends and/or family members, because their logic is so misguided and twisted that no other explanation can be offered.

    Finally, I coach an AAU team comprised of 7, 8 and 9-year-olds and I can tell you that kids are highly influenced by professional athletes. Resultant of Curt Schilling speaking up with sound and logical opinions against steroid use and users he is countering the negative influence cheating and lying players have on the youth of our country. For that I say, keep doing what you think is right Curt and don’t worry about the worthless criticisms of hypocritical lower primates. The future of this world rests with our kids!

  175. bronxzu permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:41 pm

    Curt . . .I bet you’re tired of hearing this: Why are you picking on a former Red Sox Roger Clemens? If you think the Rocket should hand back his 4 Cy Young Awards for allegedly using ‘roids, then you should have applied that to Gagne another former Sox for his feat of sixty-three consecutive saves, a new Major League record. Should we go through all of baseball and remove all the records? It’s like bulldozing Cooperstown?

    I am a die hard Yanks fan and that never stopped me from respecting your team especially this year. But that respect is starting to fall apart listening to this uneven handed approach you have to Clemens.

    This is going to be one interesting matchup between the BoxSox and the Yankees. We still won the season’s series. But that was last year.

    I wish you guys the best but this slanted demands directed at Clemens is uncalled for. It looks cheap!

  176. tampa1971 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:46 pm

    Let’s start by saying innocent until proven guilty is what this country is founded on but instead of wasting taxs payers money on finding who has done performance drugs let’s find a soulition.
    Like instead of giving a 10 game suspension make it point blank that at the start of the 2008 season everybody gets tested or make it random to be tested. here’s the punishment if it is found in your system 1. banned from baseball for life on the first offense the hell with second chances it is not like they don’t know what they are doing. 2. contracts null and void if found guilty. if they make it an extreme punishment they might think about it first. 10 games and lose of pay is like 20 bucks to the average person not a big deal. What a good time right now to start such an extreme thing.

  177. phillies2009 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:48 pm

    Why is it no matter what happens, Schilling has to give his opinion. WHO CARES WHAT HE THINKS. You want Clemens to give back four Cy Young awards? Then you give back your world series rings because you know there were guys on those teams who did steroids.I can’t wait until Schillings name come up in a steroid report. Then we can tell you to give back your Cy Young awards-oh wait, you don’t have any.

  178. jbeste permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:48 pm

    How can we deny Pete Rose to the Hall, when all these cheaters are going to get in. In my book taking “roids” is worse than Pete Rose betting on his own team to win. I totally agree with the last entry, that it is on these players to refute these claims.

  179. mikestufano permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:49 pm

    Hey YanksFanfor25 (Giambi, come on man?)…

    Might want to look at that Mitchell Report again.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646

    Neither Trot or Johnny Damon are in it. That was the fake leak that came out beforehand.

  180. phildilernia permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:50 pm

    Reading these comments shows how sad it is when society is so messed up. The players are just guys who have been raised in our culture so now they do what we’d almost expect them to do …. anything it takes to perform better and make more money.

    From seeing Roger Clemens over the past 20 years is anyone really surprised that he would cheat? I mean if Andy Mettite did then why would we think Roger wouldn’t?

    As far as Roger “proving” that he didn’t is a moot point. He cannot prove that he “didn’t” do it any more than Curt Shilling could prove that he didn’t take them. No … the evidence that someone actually “DID” take them is what matters. As Curt Shilling says the people of the country react differently than the presumption of innocence. He’s right but that is almost as evil for our nation than ballplayers taking steroids!

    If people tend to assume “guilt” that can only happen for one reason … they know that they would be guility if given the circumstances to do the same thing and the same things were at stake (money & fame.)

    I love baseball. Have played at college and semi-pro levels. Have coached Div-I college all-stars. I did a pitching clinic with Roger Clemens back in the summer of 1989 or 1990. I’m PASSIONATE about the game. I do not watch the game no where as much as I used to and I certainly am not the avid follower of MLB that I used to be. I still love watching and coaching H.S. kids. Curt and co. have already gotten their money so quite frankly my slide as a MLB fan doesn’t conern them.

    If we didn’t have such a huge influx of hispanics in our nation the game would have no future since most of the players are hispanic these days. The game is in trouble but no more than our schools, corporations, and entertainment industries. What a shame.

    I guess in a small way it’s situations like these that drew me to give up the business world to pastor a church. There is only one hope for mankind. That’s why we have Christmas. The Gospel of Jesus Christ would impact baseball and everything else if people would believe.

  181. curveballwillie permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:50 pm

    Curt, you’ve nailed this. Ignore the lunatics who can’t seem to understand that this is your OPINION. We can choose to agree or disagree with you (I happen to wholeheartedly agree). Instead, they’ll continue to display an unbelievable level of ignorance of the subject (not to mention horrid spelling and grammar: where were these people educated?) From our earliest days, we’ve learned to correct misinformation about ourselves and protect our innocence. Roger simply protests. Compare those shots of him in the bullpen at Shea Stadium at the ’86 World Series with images of him last season — reminiscent of the oft-shown video of Bonds’ first home run as a lanky rookie vs. his outsized physique of recent years. No one complained about those comparisons before (except Bonds), it’s fair to do the same with Clemens.

  182. ihatetheredsox permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:51 pm

    you know what curt, shut the hell up!!!!!!!!!!! clemens dint take take whatever. you are jealous of him and his great achievements and you know you can never be as good as him. what a nosy person, quit getting into other people’s businesses, sheesh!!!!!!

  183. jcck permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:51 pm

    Among other things, this issue is about accountability.
    Major League Baseball should have know about performance drugs. If they did they knew and did nothing. They are accountable for lack of action.
    If they did not know, they should have.
    They are accountable for not properly monitoring the sport.

    The players before Congress. They are all accountable for providing evading, misleading information and/or lying. Others should be held accountable for saying nothing if they knew the truth.

    The Mitchell report.
    In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. This entire process funded by MLB was, in effect, a giant farse. This was no court of law, this was no indictment, this was an effort to prove to the country that MLB was actually doing something about a problem that they knew exsisted, or should have known. Where do the players have the opportunity to confront and cross examine their accusers? MLB is accountable for setting up this very flawed process to cover their six. Why? Well, it could be there was a little warning from Congress: “Clean it up or we will.” Nice try MLB, but the true thinkers about this issue are seeing right through your attempt to cover your tracks. Ultimately MLB is accountable for allowing this to happen.

    Some one tell me what prevented MLB from looking into this issue years ago? Exactly who knew what and when, and what do they do about it at that time? Who at the MLB level has stepped up to the plate and taken responsibility for their lack of action?

    The Mitchell Report does nothing but place another black eye on the sport in general. The former Senator is accountable, he should have known better.

    The players named.
    Only one really, no kidding, matters. Just one. The Rocket.
    This man is a living legend across all sports, not just baseball.
    His legacy has been severly tarnished. He has been slandered.
    A man with nearly unlimited funds would only do one thing to clear his name. Sue them. In a time where lawsuits are a dime a dozen, a reasonalbe person could presume that the Rocket would file a massive lawsuit to clear his name and reputation.
    If he knew he was innocent.
    It really doesn’t matter what he says, what matters is what he will do, if anything.
    Let’s wait and see how this plays out, let’s wait and see who stands up and takes responsiblity for their actions, and let’s wait and see who does nothing.
    Let’s see who is accountable for their actions.

    JC

  184. buckbigrod permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:51 pm

    Curt, are you still smarting for Roger dressing you down the way he did when he said you were more dedicated to eating burritos than pitching? While you claim it’s served as great motivation for your career you now bite the hand of the man that made you half a man! You should bow to the majesty of Roger, repent for your reprehensible comments, and stop the hate mongering on the guy that makes you look like minor leaguer.

  185. billiebob permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:51 pm

    Hey I think Curt is right, Roger is a cheat, liar and a fraud. He didn’t win by being natural, end of story. If the pitchers who came in behind him in the voting were clean, then they are rightful winners.

    Same with Lance Armstrong who is a world class cheater, and the list goes on and on.

    Why do so many American athletes have to cheat to win? It seems that everytime we hear of an american athlete winning or dominating in sport they turn out to be steriod users.

  186. texbosoxfan permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:52 pm

    I’m curious….what type of grain is used in a “Grain Assault”?

    Wheat?…..rye?…….soy?

    These are the questions that really need answering……..screw steroids….I want to know how to prepare for the next Grain Assault!!!

  187. klandis permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:54 pm

    I think Roger Clemens is the best pitcher of our era, and probably a top 3 or 4 all time guy…my own personal vote for number one would be Bob Feller, partially based on my Cleveland bias, but mostly based on the stats that he accumulated in his “war” shortened career.

    I want to believe that Clemens is clean, and his work ethic leads me to believe that he likely is, but I too would like some stronger form of proof. Here is my major knock on the guy. I have a young son, and we have begun to share sports experiences, and I try to think how I would explain to him the bat throwing incident with Piazza in the 2000 Series, or the fact that Clemens only wants to pitch in game after the all-star break. The I compound that with the Mitchell report. In a business where grown men get have the priviledge of playing the game of our collective childhood dreams for millions of dollars, I think we deserve some moral high ground.

  188. cc727 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:55 pm

    I will stand by my earlier comment. Roger has no need to clear his name. These are slanderous statements. What he should do is sue Major League baseful and distance himself from people like Curt Schilling who try to make themselves look like the hero. What has he done – you, Curt Schilling, show me the proof – I don’t see any cancelled checks with Roger’s name on it – just some hearsay from a guy who is facing some hard time in prison. Unless you are ignorant as to how the system works – you rat out some people and then they reduce your sentence. Half the time the people you rat out are big time and high profile people that haven’t done a thing wrong – but it takes the heat off of you for a while.

    Wake up – Curt – you prosecuting a guy who saved your career will not make you a better pitcher than him. Not ever. Keep dreaming of bloody socks, my friend.

  189. erickmavnyc permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:57 pm

    Hey Curt:

    I remember this past season when one of your own team mates accused you of being full of Boston Beans when you came out in your bloody sock. Its funny how you and Marion Jones act with the same arrogance that you would never ever juice up. Yet, she was caught and Jose “the rat” Canseco says he was suprised that more names were not on that list. I wonder Curt. I really do. You act like your this straight edge reighteous role model but at 40 something and the injuries you suffered in past years makes me wonder if you had anything in your system.

    – The Mav

  190. December 20, 2007 3:58 pm

    Man now I know the reason you support Bush. You really are an idiot. Ever here of guilty until proven innocent?

    Good god man can’t you keep your mouth shut for five seconds while your brain processes what might come out of it?

    We all know he did the steroids numb nuts. His name will be tainted for the rest of his life regardless if we ever get a picture of the needle sticking out of his ass. Stick to baseball Schilling.

    I used to look up to you when you were in Philly man, but now you have turned into some empty headed jock that supports a corrupt administration and stumps for a politician that enjoys eroding my civil liberties.

    Talk about Mike Vick and the idiots that were “free Mike” t-shirts and the effect that has on kids

  191. abo185 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:59 pm

    You’re just jealous cause he’s better than you.

  192. calsunbleach permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:59 pm

    mlb and its rules are the real problem here. did any of the alleged actions by RC take place while these actions were against the rules of mlb? you can not break a rule if your actions took place before the action is disallowed. if RC used performance enhancers when they were not outlawed by baseball then he (and the others) did nothing wrong. if they obtained and used the drugs through illegal means, then they did not break the rules of baseball but they then would have broken the law. and, under those circumstances the legal authorities have the right to prosecute any of the players who obtained the performance enhancing drugs through illegal means.

    a foaming rant by one apparently sanctimonious athlete agaisnt another simply brings my thoughts to the saying, “people who live in galss houses should not throw stones”. CS can not hold a candle to RC in terms of accomplishments in baseball. not many pitchers can even get close. RC may be viewed as an arrogant, stubborn bore but CS comes across as a sanctimonious coward filled with jealousy.

  193. sunbatter permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:59 pm

    The steroid story is he said/he said. Well Mr Bloody Red Sock you sound like a she said, bitching about others before you know the whole story.

  194. riken33 permalink
    December 20, 2007 3:59 pm

    { What was your first thought when you saw OJ driving his Bronco down the freeway in a high speed chase? }

    My thought was: If my wife and some buddy got killed in front of a condo – I would call the police. Have them pick me up asap. I would co-operate with them and I woulda NEVER – NEVER DROVE OFF IN SOME FREEWAY LIKE A LUNATIC RUNNING AWAY FROM THE SCENE, PLAYED GOLF EVERYDAY OF LMY LIFE ASKING OTHERS “WHERES THE REAL KILLER”; MADE A BOOK ON HOW TO “KILL MY OWN WIFE”; etc….

    You got nothing to hide? you got nothing to be scared of then….

    People make mistakes, people move on….

    The steroids thing? If it was banned, why use it to begin with ? happy holidays people.

  195. elzzar permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:01 pm

    more whining from dead sox nation

  196. indiansfan4ever permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:01 pm

    It is funny how you spout off about other people but don’t take any slack for yourself. One thing is correct, one part of baseball’s history will be tainted. Are you going to ask Joe Jackson to give back his shoes? no,because Joe Jackson didn’t have shoes. Why would you ask Clemens to give back his Cy Young’s? I bet CC Sabathia used some sort of dietary drug this past year, are you going to ask him to give his Cy Young back? Clemens may have done steroids or HGH and probably did because of his friendship with Pettite, but why not talk about something more important like the war in Iraq or the impending presidential race. To me, the mitchell report is a waste of time because no one can prove anything in it as true unless someone confesses. A copied check tells me two things, who wrote the check and for how much. By the way, congrats on your World series this year. Sorry it was at the expense of my tribe. Why not come over to Cleveland and give us a hand. We haven’t won anything since 48′. Why didn’t you come over in the late 90’s? Was there something you had against Cleveland? Finally, My cousin Jim Tatum played for the Rockies, Mets, Brewers and Padres. Do you remember him? He played from 1989-1996.

  197. billiebob permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:01 pm

    …and another thing. Most of the american troops in Iraq are doped up too so I think they should be under the microscope.

    The greatest athlete in all of sport on the planet was Wayne Gretzky. Just run the numbers baby, nobody compares to the Great One. No steriods, no PED’s nothing, just pure old fashing talent.

    Just so you know, he’s a Canadian.

  198. bbsoftlyandcarryabigstick permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:07 pm

    CURT,
    FROM YOUR DAYS IN PHILLY I LOVED WHAT YOU SAID AND DID. TODAY I STILL AGREE WITH YOUR INSIGHTS ON THE ISSUES THAT CONCERN BASEBALL. IF THE MVP, CY YOUNGS ARE TO BE GIVIN BACK THEN THERE ARE A FEW TEAMS OUT THERE THAT NEED THEIR RINGS RETURNED BACK TO MLB.
    IF THE IOC TAKES BACK THE METALS THEIR TRACK AND FIELD STARS GET AFTER THEY HAVE CHEATED, AND THE TOUR DE FRANCE TAKES THE YELLOW JERSEY BACK, WHAT THE HELL IS MLB DOING?

    AND IF THAT MEANS THE 04 SOXS THEN SO BE IT. AT LEAST YOU CAN STILL LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND KNOW THE YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.
    IT IS MUCH EASIER TO ASK FOR FORGIVNESS AFTER ALL. PETE ROSE LEARNED THAT THE HARD WAY.
    BE HONEST AND THE PUBLIC IS MUCH MORE ABLE TO FORGIVE AND THE 2ND CHANCES IN LIFE COME EASIER ALSO, THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS A GREAT COUNTRY, 2ND CHANCES AND THE UNDERDOG!
    GO PHILS IN 08.

  199. wilbur78 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:09 pm

    Well I’ve noticed with all the things Curt has said “calling Roger out” well…….here goes my opinion…why should Roger show his innocence why cant you prove he did take steriods? Doesn’t the U.S.A go by “innocent till proven guilty”? so i ask you Curt can you prove it???

  200. dishmcds permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:10 pm

    Someone should tell Calio4life that Grain Assaults take place in the midwest, not NY.

  201. ctopher08 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:11 pm

    My .02
    I have always been a baseball fan, until around 5 years ago.
    I don’t care for the fans at the stadiums, some of the player’s messed up ego’s, hign pay and high cost and the bickering among each other about steriods.
    I just want to watch the game. Now I watch very little of it.
    I don’t care what each player’s lifes are like and if they want to cheat in the game. They are only hurting themselves. Not my problem.
    My son was a very good baseball player, but quit during High School because of the bickering and politics.
    I am very happy he did not decide to go to the big leagues, and so is he!

  202. billygoat1908 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:13 pm

    Curt is doing nothing more than voicing his opinion. Keep in mind, he has access to more of a public forum than many of us do. So, on one hand, he’s echoing the thoughts of many by simply challenging Clemens – and others – to prove his innocence, even though he’s under no obligation to do so.

    On the other hand, having such a forum & using it as a medium to offer an opinion rankles some to the point that they’d wish he’d shut the hell up, including those he’s calling out. Well, everybody has options on what they want to see & hear. Maybe some don’t like what he’s saying because facts are facts & egos – being what they are in some circles – don’t like to be challenged.

    There’s something bigger at stake here than one guy’s opinion, however. And, it’s baseball’s legacy. My 8 year-old son and I are having too many discussions regarding steroids, the game he loves dearly (baseball), and players he chose to follow. That’s sad and something that’s getting lost in all the noise.

    So, all those knuckleheads that are blasting somebody for voicing an opinion need to look at the bigger picture this whole Mitchell mess validated, which is that there’s a mess on the floor and somebody’s gotta clean it up. And, somebody’s gotta make sure there isn’t another spill.

    This whole steroid melodrama makes you wonder what Pete Rose did that was so bad.

  203. peterjheins permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:16 pm

    Curt,

    Thanks for your opinion. It really helps in this time when I am seriously contemplating the future of my level of interest in the MLB. To be honest, it is hard to read some of these comments made to your opinions. I know you probably get so many comments coming through, but people need to realize (at the very least from the way you’ve put in the time sharing your thoughts on the WWW) your ability to listen to criticism, which goes far beyond your ability to play baseball. At the same time, your opinion is very valuable in a time like this…”wisdom vindicated by action”…giving encouragement to likeminded fans.

    I don’t want to spend the little time today reading and commenting only to praise you. I only want to start out with the positive side. You see, I’ve played baseball most of my life, been an avid student of the game, and like yourself, hold strong well-thought opinions on the sport. I’m the type of fan who read the report immediately. I’ve followed your career, especially the time you won us a WS (not Boston)! The people who immediately say you’re not a Hall of Famer are (the biggest fools) ignorant of how the writers vote and what you’ve done in your career. Of course you’re not so concerned with that as the integrity of the game, and of which I am a grateful you fight these battles. Perhaps others have done a little of this, but it is my opinion many more must stand up and fight to represent the good or the precious pearl will be lost.

    I’m not saying baseball will die nor the MLB because I don’t ever see this business coming to an end. There will always be a consumer for the cheap thrills it provides. Just like paying for movies, people love seeing action. However, hypocrisy will always have catastrophic effects. For example, where are we leading one another? I do believe parents are most responsible, but fact is many grow up without the most healthy parenting situation these days. Fact is that parents have a great opportunity to have most of the influence, but equally true that this world competes against them! The need for leaders in our world makes me think it will take so much more than ‘just revealing the past and moving forward’ for the MLB to gain any integrity lost. I don’t just ask, “what does this say about the sport?” because I don‘t think that says enough. Rather, what does this say about American values?

    We need the players (athletes, former athletes, and other) of the MLB to be respectable. We need the light to continue to shine brightly. I don’t expect sainthood, but I do expect a high standard of morality of anyone (the same one placed on me), and especially for those at higher levels of leadership–those who influence more people. Only then will integrity outfight hypocrisy. Otherwise, the idea of integrity becomes hypocrisy, merely political.

    [I’ll write a few more emotionally deep thoughts addressed to you on my blog.]

  204. yanks26rings permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:16 pm

    Curt – the only thing I have to say to you is shut your stupid pie hole.

  205. primetm34 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:16 pm

    Why didn’t talk Schilling this way when he was in front of congress? He had alot to say about steroids prior to meeting with congress, then had nothing to say in washington

  206. tigerfan1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:17 pm

    Curt,
    It’s amazing that in the 21st Century where majority of Americans are not without “sin” and involved in drug addiction, people addicted to pornography, adulterers, tax cheaters, spouse abusers, and other vices, that we can find a soap box and blast sports figures for cheating. Most people cheat. The courts are full of cheaters. The jail is full of cheaters. Sports stadiums are full to the brim with cheaters. Does it justify the cheating that went on and still goes on in MLB? No. Absolutely not. My 8 year old boy loves baseball and aspires to be a major league ball player some day like most America young boys. Trying to teach him right and wrong is even diffcult in the context of sports. Look, cheaters make millions of dollars and get fame and acclaim. Kind of a hard sell to tell him cheating is bad amongst this nonsense. But this report and so called witch hunt is good for baseball and America. There are consequences for not doing the right thing. What better lesson for my son and others out there that watch you and your colleagues with awe. I don’t teach him that it’s wrong to admire you guys. I teach him you are human beings just like us who have a gift and a responsibility at the same time. Not a responsbility to raise my children or be an example to them, but to be a viable and accountable citizen, just like the rest of us. I applaud the players that haven’t cheated. I applaud those who have and are remorseful and trying to make up for it. Thanks for your blog. I admire your stand and your position. Good luck next season. My Tigers are looking to unseat you and your Red Sox in the post season next year. May you throw no hitter after no hitter, except when you play my boys.

    David Bachman
    Ypsilanti, MI

  207. primetm34 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:18 pm

    Why didn’t Schilling talk this way when he was in front of congress? He had alot to say about steroids prior to meeting with congress, then had nothing to say in washington

  208. pt73 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:19 pm

    Mr. Schilling owes us all a further explanation of his “cheating standard.”

    For example, Whitey Ford and his battery mates, have described the wonders worked by Ford’s wedding ring and Elston Howard’s shinguard. Should Whitey give up some victories?

    Various Red Sox officials have described “modifications” to the grass and infield to advantage the Fenway home team. Should those games count?

    What about Rogers Hornsby and others who admitted sought an edge?

    Do we give Ted Williams extra credit for those dingers he missed while doing something much more important — flying a Marine fighter in two wars?

    How about Big Papi’s clubhouse laptop and relentless examination of at bats during games?

    What about Mr. Schilling’s own efforts to shine or otherwise enhance the ball during his career?

    At the end of all this steroid mess, all we have is a report that won’t pass the laugh test. Suppose, for example, the New York Stock Exchange commissioned an investigation by a partner in a law firm when that partner was a director of one of the corporations under investigation? Suppose further that that partner produced a report which made any number of allegations based only upon the uncorroborated allegations of a defendant seeking a plea deal? Suppose … well … we could go on for a while here.

    Negotiate some rules and standards and move on. If we, as Mr. Schilling suggests, need to rewrite history. Let’s start by examining such records as exist of all of his appearances and interviewing everone he has ever associated with during his career.

  209. damcoach permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:20 pm

    Here is my whole problem with the steroid era. In 1995, the year after the strike, I was able to go to a game at Dodger Stadium and sit on the Field level for $15. Those same tickets today are $60. That is a 400% increase. Now I can hear the wise person saying that is inflation. Well in 1983, I sat in those same seats for $8, so yes there was some inflation but at less than 100% not 400%. What happend? Star power plain and simple.

    Baseball became popular because it was an everyman’s sport. You looked at the players and they were no different than you and me except they had skills that set them apart. We could live just a little bit of our dreams thru these guys, our personal brothers. That all changed when these men morphed into the beast that we see out there today.

    Steroids and other performance enhancers changed that. And we (the fans) like the dumb saps that we are bought into it because we still wanted to live a little bit of that dream. We might as well as just cheer for video games because honestly the player today are just as make believe.

    My favorite part today is the player who said they took the stuff to recover from an injury. “So you were dealt a bad break, you were also dealt a great break by being blessed with the skills you were able develop just to be able to put on that unform.” I guess once the big checks come rolling in they forget about how lucky they are and just worry about the greed they have develop. “I’m just trying to help my family”, aren’t we all? I guess he who stops counting their blessings, count their money instead.

    Which brings me to who is to blame? The players made more money. Average salary in 1995 was $1.07 million, average salary today is $2.95 million. That is almost a 200% rise. Don’t forget they added over 75 jobs during that time (two new teams plus a roster expansion from 24 to 25). The owners also made more money (remember the 400% increase). Okay my salary did go up more than 200% during that time but I did graduate from college the following year and $9/ hr lifeguarding is pretty easy to triple. So the players and owners benefited and we paid 400% more. I guess it is easy to see who is to blame (as long as you have a mirror).

  210. tigerfan1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:20 pm

    One more thing. For some reason i was shocked that there are pitchers on juice. Not sure why i was shocked, but apparently i am not the only one. If pitchers are juiced, and the batter is juiced, shouldn’t that even things out a bit? i mean , it might seem funny, but what advantage did anyone have. If steroids are as wide spread as they say, who was being advantaged? The back up to the back up catcher maybe. But who else? I look at a lot of guys in the league, and I have heard they were on the stuff, but they look smaller then my leg. How did steroids help Nook Logan? The guy has been bounced around. Sure he’s fast, but so what? He can’t hit to get on base.

  211. ftfdanny permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:22 pm

    To everyone complaining about what Curt is saying……This is his blog, and he can say whatever he wants. Just because he is a baseball player does not mean he is not aloud to say what he wants to say. If what he is saying bothers all of you, do not read it, do not look at it, do not think of it…It just proves that your ignorant comments and jealousy is getting the best of you. Make your own blog and talk about what you want, in your blog, other than that…shut up and quit complaining like 12 year olds.

    Go Tigers.

  212. elzzar permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:24 pm

    why not talkabout the difference between records attained or championships gained from surgery and from substances? Steroids and hgh weren’t “illegal” in the game until recently, right? so what’s the problem? If a mediocre pitcher gets “tommy john” surgery (where a STRONGER tendon from the hip replaced the broke one from the elbow) and pitches 10 more years – like Tommy John – should his records be asterisked? 1920 era pitchers couldn’t have the surgery. If a player gets a cortizone shot, (legal, steroid-like substance) and recovers to win game seven of the world series, should that be asterisked? If a guy gets his ankle stitched and ……………….

  213. tribefan6180 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:25 pm

    Touche, Curt. Sure, in theory, innocent until proven guilty should be the approach. However, Clemens could have come out immediately following the Mitchell report release and proclaimed his innocence. Instead, it took him 3 days. It doesn’t take 3 days to state the truth. It should have taken about 30 seconds to come up with “No I didnt dope and I’ll sue you for defamation.” If you didn’t do it, you don’t wait 3 days debating whether you should tell anyone.

    People, this is what the game needs! It needs clean players to speak out and let the world know that they are not going to stand quitely beside cheaters and frauds. After all, the integrity of the game is theirs to lose too.

  214. hunter4u permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:27 pm

    Hey Curt, you f’n freak!!!! You have to be the most jealous of Clemens rivals. You sit there and hide behind your computer and open your mouth and nothing but crap comes out. There’s a name for people like you. “Cry baby” comes to mind 1st. You fail to remember that in this country it is suppose to be innocent until proven guilty. I think you do steroids. Now it’s up to you to prove me wrong. Do you think that would be a little hard to do? I honestly think you are jealous. Here’s a little bit for you, You, with steroids would NEVER be half the pitcher that Clemens is. People like you need to keep your mouth shut, that will keep you from looking so f’n stupid

  215. jrinck permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:29 pm

    The sucky thing about NOT cheating is being lumped in with those who do. That’s probably the fear of all the 90’s players who didn’t “use”, Curt Schilling being one of them. I really see a passionate guy here who is doing his best to separate the good from the bad, in hopes that history can look at the period of 1985 to 2005 with something less than an asterisk. Sadly, Curt, while I applaud what you are doing, the label of the “Steroid Era” is going to live forever, whether the accused come clean or not. Guilty is guilty, it doesn’t matter if it’s admitted. The fans of today and tomorrow will know you were one of the good ones, so take some comfort in that. But the damage is already done, Curt, so just let history write itself.

  216. redsoxwantab permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:30 pm

    I totally agree with Curt in this instance and see Curt as a human being and fan. Not a MLB pitcher who is jealous by any stretch. I gotta say that the fact that he hasn’t made any effort at all to clear his name is ridiculous. Actually what he and ALL the “other” names have done to prove innocense doesn’t look soo innocent does it.. I’ve been a fan of baseball AND the sox for as long as I can remember and Roger Clemens was my favorite growing up. If he took these “drugs” he should admit to it with dignity and respect. WE all make mistakes. Let’s get this out there and put it behind us. I’ll tell you it looks funny right around the time (1998) that Duquette said he’s done. He went on to win 4 more Cy’s. Either he worked extra hahd or “something” else. But, who am I to judge.
    Bring another one home Curt and as far as being compared to Clemens, he didn’t win any championships here and YOU won two. I credit you for that and thank you for that. My grandparents can rest easy now.

  217. gherig04 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:35 pm

    This is America “Innocent until proven guilty & I believe Roger over a sleazebag rapist — Curt get some evidence before you open your polluted mouth…Read Below:

    McNamee got out of the pool, leaving behind the woman, who witnesses said appeared “out of it.” She said to the hotel employee, “Help me,” and then McNamee pulled her out of the pool and tried to put clothes back on her.

    Employees called police, and an ambulance also arrived. It turned out the woman had ingested a near fatal dose of GHB, a powerful drug used by bodybuilders, teenage “ravers” and date rapists — who have used it to incapacitate victims. A bottle of the GHB was found on the pool deck.

    Police investigated the incident as a rape and questioned McNamee the next morning.

    The report of Detective Don Crotty, who questioned McNamee, cites McNamee as lying several times during the questioning: about where he first met the woman, saying it was the hotel lobby rather than another bar, as other witnesses said; and about his whereabouts over the course of the night. McNamee didn’t mention that he was with the woman with several other Yankees players in Chuck Knoblauch’s room. He denied to police that he even knew Wonsowicz, his college teammate and fellow Yankees employee. He said Wonsowicz looked familiar, and he might be a “green fly,” ballplayer slang for a hanger-on who looks for autographs.

    For more than a month in 2001, McNamee was a suspect. However, no charges were filed. Early in the investigation, the woman lied to investigators about her reason for being at the Renaissance Vinoy hotel — she was having an affair with another Yankees employee who was married, and didn’t want to reveal that. When investigators realized this, they declined to pursue the investigation of McNamee. A few months later, the Yankees quietly let McNamee go. But Clemens and Pettitte kept using him as their personal trainer.

    For the most part, he kept a low profile, though he did get into a legal squabble. In 2003, the Dontzin Law Firm, LLP, a New York City shop that represented him during the 2001 rape investigation, sued McNamee for $41,261.78 in unpaid legal bills. McNamee paid some of the money, getting the bill down to about $24,000, then stopped, claiming Dontzin’s firm was not licensed in Florida and should not have represented him there in the rape investigation. In the course of the litigation, McNamee said in court papers that he never received certain bills because he was living at a different address since he’d become estranged from his wife. The case was settled in 2004, and McNamee was ordered to pay $11,000 to Dontzin. The firm did not respond to ESPN The Magazine’s requests for an interview.

  218. redsoxwantab permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:35 pm

    Whoever in here rips Curt is jealous yourself. Roger Clemens didn’t only beat out Curt for Cy’s, but, HE BEAT OUT EVERYONE you IDIOTS. Lemme guess, you are one of the ones who goes to a game and leaves early and the next day says oh, I was there last night. BS.

  219. ugenious permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:36 pm

    CALLATE !!!!

  220. jdroof permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:38 pm

    Curty Jerky
    Just remember! You point one finger at someone you are pointing 3 @ you! Look in the mirror and try it u toys r us kid.

    Again I will say! When u wake up and look in the mirror, put a picture of Roger over yours, while you are touching yourself and then u will feel, just for a moment, what it is like to be a man.
    A Red socks fan.
    Trust me I am. You do not represent Redsock Nation.

  221. brettmol permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:43 pm

    please, curt….
    keep your opinions of those with more class than yourself, to yourself, until the presumed innocent are proven guilty. i would take the word of roger clemens over some locker room junkie trying to make a name for himself, anyday! roger said he never used, and we should believe him, unless there is corroberating evidence to the contrary. the onus is not on him to prove his innocence, but rather on others to prove his guilt. if he is found guilty of steroid use, then have at him. but remember, unless that use was illegal at the time, then it is less of a crime than throwing a spitball or using a file to doctor the ball, or corking a bat, etc. let’s wait and see how this plays out before you condemn the greatest pitcher ever. let’s also remember where mr. mitchell came from-our government-which we all of a sudden trust implicitly? i trust roger will do the right thing when the time comes for him to do so.

  222. ttahoe30 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:43 pm

    Mr Schilling,
    You are so hypocritical.
    Everyone says “performance enhancing” drug.
    When you had your ankle surgery, you received pain medication to be able to pitch. How is that NOT a performance enhancing drug?
    Let it all go!! It was the era. There has always been something and there always will be. Pete Rose was saying how disgusted he is with the players and he would have had 5000 hits. How many thousands of “greenies” did he put in his body throughout the 70’s and 80’s. Maybe he only would have had 3200, not 4000+. You probably would have had less wins and a higher era if some of your teammates didn’t use. What about their home runs or great defensive plays that got you wins?
    There is absolutely no way to gage the affects towards every player.
    Just clean it up now and move on. All records should stay, period!!

    Thank you,
    Tim Thompson
    Campbell, Ca

  223. talknbsbll permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:46 pm

    What rules did baseball have in place regarding steroid use during the time that these players allegedly used the steroids?

    Were these enhancments available over the counter as many are?

  224. jeterisgod permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:46 pm

    I am saddened by the news of all these players being accused of steriods, whether they are innocent or guilty…..but who has to throw his two cents in but none other than Curt Schilling, guess he has to get his name in the paper for something cause we know it wont be for pitching well next season. Can he not deal with the fact that Clemens is far superior that he must try and take away the glory he does not deserve?? I had much respect for Schilling back when he played for the diamond backs. I guess Boston does turn players for the worse. Since he has joined up with the sox I have had NO respect for him as a person the way he carries himself. Most people will look at this and say thats just cause your a yankee fan you hate boston….<<<untrue I like a select few players (ortiz, beckett, mirabelli) namely ones who are not out there to ridacule other players to make themselves feel big. Now go and talk all you want about how clemens is a cheater he must return all his awards. The fact is he has done more great than you will ever achieve Schilling.

  225. jasraboin permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:47 pm

    The way I see it is that all the records and numbers are out the window right now. They are meaningless. The list is just the result of one angle of an investigation into the use of PED’s. How many other sources will be reveiled? As a Yankee and baseball fan all I can say is that this sucks for both the players and the fans.

    What if Ken Griffy Jr. was the greatest hitter ever and he would have really broken Aaron’s record but didn’t because he had to hit against enhanced pitchers.

    Bottom line is there is no way to know.

    What’s disturbing is that there are not more players pissed off. What this says to me is that most of them are using or have used. If a guy cheated to get the job or salary I deserved I would raise hell. I don’t see a lot of players raising hell right now.

  226. imagine175 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:49 pm

    I will never figure out why u can not just keep your mouth shut. You will never be any where in the same league with players like roger and barry. Your rings have came from u being surrounded by better pitchers than u. Finally this year u will be in your rightful spot in th rotation #5. So for everyones sake in America please don’t speak in public no more.

  227. chewy29 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:50 pm

    There’s a reason the law states that you’re innocent until proven guilty. How do you prove innocence here? They can’t go back and submit to a drug test in the past. They can only take what he’s been accused of and give his side of the story.

    You’re basing his guilt on hearsay nothing more… none of these accusations have been proven in a court of law. This was Mitchell’s report based on what he found. Give 10 people the same report to do for homework and you get 10 different views.

  228. kennedylaw permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:51 pm

    Great job at the Webster House last night. A great follow up from last year. As a member of the board it makes me feel great that you are doing this for all the right reasons.

  229. jenar15 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:53 pm

    YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS. YOU NEED TO WORK HARD IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET YOUR OWN AWARD OR RECOGNITION. DO NOT BAD MOUTH OTHER PEOPLE IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET ATTENTION. PATHETIC.

  230. hyerdahl permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:54 pm

    Mr. Schilling,
    Your comments are appreciated from the standpoint of a fellow fan. I have enjoyed being an MLB fan for over 35 years, but find it continuously difficult to accept the unabashed tolerance of the baseball regarding the use of various illegal substances. Mr. Clemens lost considerable credibility in my opinion when he stated that his return to baseball, rather than retire, was not precipitated by money. Had this truly been the case, then he could have remained in Houston to pursue that unquenchable desire to keep playing the game. This statement was B.S. and very few individuals that I know willingly accepted such nonsense. Mr. Clemens has demonstrated that his ego is only slightly larger than a penchant for trivializing his role in an otherwise illicit program.
    Although you can individually stand on a higher moral pedastal based on your denial of engaging in illegal drug activity, your unwillingness to be candid in the face of a debacle that tarnishes the reputation of a national institution, is equally difficult to comprehend. If you are not willing to cooperate with the investigation based upon the premise of “ratting”, then you justly serve the American public by remaining silent on the issue. In light of what has transpired to this point, being a “good-guy” in this situation smacks of hypocrisy!

  231. dbolz211 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:54 pm

    Curt Schilling, as somewhat of a sox fan from maine, i believe you need to just shut up. your career was over 6 years ago with the d-backs. i believe you should just look at your own teams. Matt williams contributed highly to your 2001 world series ring, Are you saying that you’re going to give your world series ring back because you are so honest. Eric Gagne was in the Mitchell report, are you going to give back your 07 ring as well? why dont you look in your own backyard before you open your mouth and say that all awards and championships should be forfeited due to steroid connection because you yourself benefited from steroid use directly or indirectly. why dont you quit baseball and start doing politics because thats where you fit in, not in sports… your career ended long time ago you’re washed up so apreciate people who actually can still play and be affective. the sox should release you because you’re taking up more salary money than you are contributing to the club getting better.
    thank you very much

  232. macio21 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:56 pm

    Curt,
    I’m not a fan or yours or the Redsox for taht matter, but a huge fan of the game. You are a great pitcher and I would never take that away from you, but at some point in your career will you ever shut up. You seem to open up your mouth on issues that don’t concern you. It is ok to have your own opinion, but you take it to the extreme. I hate it, like I know you do that people have take illegal drugs in baseball, but who are you to make comments about other players. I find it strange that Mitchell’s reports only had 1 or 2 redsox on there because I know there has to be more. As a fan I’m not blind nor stupid it is destroying the game. As a Yankee fan it pains me to know that these guys took drugs to be better. I applaud you if you have never taken any, but how does anyone know if that is true or not. I’m not accussing you of anything, but you never know Mr. Bloddy sock. Bottom line is this I think it is not your place AT ALL to say that roger should give back his cy young awards. IF Manny or Big Poppi had been mentioned in the report would you have said they need to give back their rings or MVP’s I doubt it. Keep your comments to yourself. Basevall players should have a code of silence between the players and you broke the code in my opinion. Have a Great Holiday season.

  233. brian1966 permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:56 pm

    Curt,

    First off, I agree with you and I respect and appreciate your stance on these matters. But, I would like to change the subject and ask you a hypothetical and fun question!

    Let’s pretend that you are making your last stop in the minors before being called up the big leagues (within the next year). You have two very good pitches; a very good & lively 4-seamer in the mid to upper 90’s and a very good (12-6 to 11-5) curveball (let’s say in the upper 70’s), a knee buckler as they say. When you get to this last stop, lets say that a well respected pitching coach takes you aside and says “Curt, I’m going to teach you 3 additional pitches to add to your arsenal, and three pitches only”. You are told that when he’s through, you will master these piches as well, and they will turn into good to very good “plus-plus” pitches to go along with your 4-seamer & curve.

    My question is, which 3 pitches do you choose to add to your repatoire, and why? Let’s say you have a choice of..a 2-seamer, sinker, splitter, cutter, slider, or change-up. You get to learn three of these.

    I know a few of these pitches are similar to one another so I’d like your take on which you’d choose and why. Would you choose a sinker or a splitter (you only get one of these) and why (between the similar pitches that is).
    Would you choose a cutter or a slider, and why (since I think they are relatively similar).

    Would you choose, for the fifth pitch, a 2-seamer or a change-up. Seeing as how you’d already have a great curve and great 4-seamer. Would you want another “change of pace” pitch, or is the great curve plenty to keep hitters off-balance? Or would you rather have another fast-ball with more movement down or in on righties? I would assume that you would choose a cutter or slider for bearing in on lefties (& away to righties) and a sinker or splitter which would be effective and down on both.

    The way I see it you would be a 5 pitch pitcher and could come in or down and in on Lefties or righties, You could drop a curve, splitter or sinker off the table to either, and you would have at least one, or two, change of pace pitches.

    So Curt, let’s have some fun. Hypothetically, which would you choose and why.

  234. Philadelphia Sports permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:57 pm

    What does it say about Roger Clemens that his personal trainer was a steroid peddler? If Clemens wants us to believe that McNamee is nothing but a complete liar, then what does it say about him, that he was associating with this so called “rat”? Accept this Roger, you are the company you keep, and you expect us to believe you knew nothing about what McNamee was doing?

  235. lgmets permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:59 pm

    Hey Curt,

    While I agree with your opinions on Roger clearing his name, I have to respectfully disagree about taking away stats of cheating players. What should happen is the “Steroid Era” should have years assigned to it, and those numbers will be forever tainted.

    I know your stats are included in the Steroid era, and your numbers would unrighteously be lumped in with those who cheated. But how I see it now is that there are cheaters whose numbers are lumped in with non-cheaters if it is counted otherwise. Until you can tell me there is a way for all cheaters to be uprooted, and there is a way to get AB numbers and hitters faced stats to even out correctly (which would take up a ton of effort to undo something that happened as far as stats are concerned), I don’t think you can just erase statistics.

    Awards also cannot be stripped unless they are strictly individual awards. The award would be read 1988 MVP – none. Maybe at best a passing mention that Jose Canseco used to have it. But would you strip World Series rings from the whole team since a cheater contributed to the victory? Those individual awards only really mean something to the players in the end since they get bonuses and larger contracts based on it. Other than that, does Magglio Ordonez really feel angry that one of the best years of his career wasn’t an MVP year? Do you feel bad that you never won a Cy Young other than not having a couple of extra dollars in your pocket?
    Your contributions show in the rings you are wearing. That’s what really matters.

  236. laxthefacts permalink
    December 20, 2007 4:59 pm

    Mr. Schilling, I have been a season ticket holder for over 40 years. I can name my top 10 players based on a combination of talent and personality (though difficult the order)!

    1. Pedro
    2. Tiante
    3. Manny
    4. Yaz
    5. Ortiz
    6. Bill Lee
    7. Fisk
    8. Papelbon
    9. Conigliaro
    10. George Scott

    My bottom 10 based on personalty and talent is much more difficult. One person who I would place #1 on that list is without question would be one Curtis Montague (Curt) Schilling.

    I believe, all of this controversial and negative feedback will be thrown back at you like a cup of “Diarrhea” during any elected office you chose to run for.

    I would not mind any of your thoughts or comments if you were out of baseball. You are doing a diss service (pardon the pun) to MLB, the Boston Red Sox, your family and yourself.

    I have more respect for Canseco, Bonds and Clemens than you and outrageous opinions. Your opinion is different than ourts because you are a celebrity. Nobody will ever hear about most of our opinions because we are not.

    I can at least understand the greatest hitter of the modern era looking at the loose way in which the owners looked in the other direction on the drug issues to raise the industry from a 1.5 billion dollar industry to a 7 billion dollar industry, and decide he must showcase his skill on an even playing field.

    Mr. Schilling you are not a little man. You are as big if not bigger than Mr. Clemens and Mr. Bonds. Your head is definatly bigger than either, in some way! Do you have proof you have never taken anything such as steroids to help you in the past. Will submit to a drug test on TV live? Have you ever gone to say a casino and won some money you never declared? Just for instance….

    I think after watching you in Providence last off season at a function saying it was time for Manny to go, that you may have a drinking problem.

    One thing is certain Bonds, Clemens, McGwire and Sosa have made MLB a ton of loot for all the owners.

    If you want to trace the origin of the problem, go back to the last strike. Season ticket sales dropped dramatically. They tightened the baseballs, made the strike zone smaller and talked to the umpires and eventually got rid of alot of those same umps through pressure (good move) to enhance the offense of the game. People will come to the ball park to see offense not pitching unless Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez and possible Johan Santa pitch ( in the last 25 years). They pay to see Manny #1, Big Papi #2 and the Whole team #3. Bud Selig and the other owners realized this and fired Fay Vincent to do what they needed to do, IT WORKED!!!

    “During a radio show appearance on May 8, 2007, Schilling criticized Barry Bonds, stating: “He admitted to cheating on his wife, cheating on his taxes and cheating on the game.” After being reprimanded for his comments by his manager Terry Francona, Schilling issued an apology on his blog, stating that “it was absolutely irresponsible and wrong to say what I did”

    I was happy to not hear anymore baloney after that until you recently signed your new contract. Now it is the same old blowhard Curt! Voters you will find that boring at best. You are not reverred like a Nolan Ryan or a Pedro Martinez. I think you must look at yourself as a modern day Jim Bouton. That is unfortuneate. I can tell you, if you were respectable off the field as you are on it, then winning a senatorial bid could have been in your future. Beating a John Kerry in the great state of Masachusetts could have been possible!

    Roger Clemens is not on my top 10 list of top talented personalities, you may have noticed. He comes across as a bully and not really nice to the average person he meets on the street. One thing I have notice though, is most everyone calls him the greatest teamate they ever played with. He is a good friend. I have read how much you consider him your mentor if not friend. I have never thought it was my place to tell any friend my opinion unless they asked.

    It appears there is nobody out there you consider a true friend. From this I can only assume you have something to hide. Could it be you have pitched so well from the ripe old ages between 35 and 40 because you yourself got some help along the way?

    Mr. Schilling please try to be a better human being, otherwise I would rather take my chances with Bucholz, Lester, Masterson or Taveras.

    Thank you for reading this ridiculously long post.

    A Peter Gammons worshipper!

  237. baseballfan permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:00 pm

    Very good posts Curt. Nothing I can argue against, however there is something missing from your comments and from MLB players overall. Where is the outrage from the players? Other than you, who else is speaking up against the PED cheating. Just like your argument that if Clemens isn’t incensed and suing everyone to clear his name then he must be guilty (I agree with this argument), then I have to wonder why more players are not speaking up. Is it because most of them did PEDs and cheated, or knew about the cheating and did nothing?

    Note to MLB players:
    If ‘most’ of you did not do PEDs and are outraged by this PED scandal then do something about it and take back the game. Don’t leave it up to the owners or union. DO SOMETHING! Your silence and inaction make you players as a whole seem guilty too. Even if you did do PEDs – forget the past, do something and move forward to fix this!
    Thanks
    A Fan

  238. curtschillingsucks permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:02 pm

    how do you prove you have never taken steroids??? thats impossible. so how the hell do you expect anyone to prove something that can’t be proven you retard. also, when you have a situation that needs dealing with, you prove someones guilt. you don’t do the opposite and have the innocent prove he is not guilty. you called him out so now put your money where your mouth is and finish it. get a lawyer and spend millions of dollars to prove he is guilty. otherwise shut up. tell you what curt, i’ll accuse you of being gay and now make it YOUR responsibility to prove that you aren’t. so according to your logic curt, you are now officially gay until proven otherwise…

  239. thughs permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:04 pm

    Why should Curt have to give up his World Series ring because of steroid use? For the same reason he wants Roger Clemens to give up his Cy Youngs, wins and rings.

  240. ram1500owner permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:06 pm

    Mr. Schilling,
    I had heard of your blog through watching countless sox games. I never had an urge to actually check it out until this past week with all the steroids controversy. I applaud you for posting your opinion. I am disheartened about the Clemens controversy. Having been a Red Sox fan for the last thirty years (I am 31 yrs old), Roger was a large part of my faith in the sox through the eighties. I hope he is able to prove himself clean. On the brighter side: Well done on a fantastic 2007.
    As a member of the US Navy for the last 13 yrs, I also wanted to say I am appreciative of the effort by you and your family in your support of the men and women of the armed forces. I live in Washington state and the news of the Medfield 4 the Military made it out here locally.
    My last comment is a peculiar one. I am not sure if you actually read any of the posts on your blog. My family has not missed a sox game out here since we first arrived here in 2000.On June 27th 2007, Sox vs. M’s: I would like to ask that you please pass along a huge thank you to Julian Taverez, Tek, and Tito for making a little girls dream. Mr. Taverez picked my daughter (5 yrs old)out of the crowd during warmups and took her onto the field, into the dugout to meet Tek and Tito and a couple of signed baseballs. I don’t know who was more excited, dad or daughter? We tried to officially thank the sox but weren’t very successful. Pls pass on. Thanks and win another in 08.

  241. matt1623 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:09 pm

    for god sake, i can understand you being jealous of roger clemens, what with his 7 cy young awards. but to globally point at him and accuse him and tell him that he should give up his awards, that is a new low, even for a red sock. I am myslef a yankee fan, and of course im going to be biast against the red sox, but if a yankee did this against another player, i would publically voice my disgust with that too. what im trying to say is that you have a massive ego, with little to justify it. your overrated and mabey a tenth as talented as roger clemens is on a bad day. do the world a favor and get hit by a bus.

  242. dfglntr permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:10 pm

    Mr. Schilling, while I respect your on-field accomplishments and competitive zeal, your piece smacks of moral vigilantism–something you have engaged in frequently during your years in Boston. Your comments about Roger Clemens overlook two critical points: 1) there is absolutely NO CORROBORATING EVIDENCE in the Mitchell report that establishes Clemens used steroids; and, 2) steroid use in MLB was LEGAL in 2001. The lack of evidence in a report that reportedly cost baseball $20 million in legal fees is striking, and naming names based upon such a flimsy evidentiary showing is irresponsible at best.

  243. redsoxrmyheros permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:14 pm

    This is for all the dumb asses that are whining and complaining about what Curt wrote in HIS blog: if you don’t like what he says or have no respect for his opinions, then why the f@#k do you come here and read it??
    Get a life and learn to respect other people’s opinions, or get lost.
    An educated debate or disagreement is one thing, but some of you sound like your in 2nd grade for crying out loud.
    Does it make you feel “cool” to rant on about how much you hate Curt and his personal opinions? If it does, you best take a good long look in the mirror.

  244. karensc5 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:16 pm

    Curt,

    I agree with you that it is time for Baseball as a sport to acknowledge and address their problems with drugs. It took courage for you to say this and I am certain you won’t be the favorite guy in the locker room with everyone, but the ones who are bothered are unimportant. It definitely makes a big statement for a person of your stature to step up on this, and I hope the ‘powers that be’ listen.

  245. calvinballer permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:18 pm

    I agree with your take on the awards Curt. Just like what is happening with Marion Jones and any other olympic athlete. Same with the Tour. If you are caught cheating after the fact, you give up any personal awards and they are then re-awarded to the rightful “winner”.

    As for yanksfanfor25 – go away and stick to Yankees’ boards. Baseball is a team sport much more than most others and two players who were named that may or may not have used steroids/hgh/etc does not mean Curt should give up his ring. Same with Marion Jones’ relay teams. They should not have to give up their medals. INDIVIDUAL accomplishments should be rescinded.

    My two cents!

  246. zachg76 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:18 pm

    Hey Curt,
    I have totally changed my mind about taking back awards, and HOF consideration, before I thought hell yeah take them all back because they cheated. There are a few issues with that though, there are already a cheater or two in the HOF, and although the form of cheating may be completly different, the cheater I am thinking of had an unfair advantage over his competitors.

    Gaylord Perry used an illegal pitch, although he was not caught until one of his last few years in baseball, everyone around baseball knew of it, and accused him of using the spitter. He admitted it, he won 2 Cy Youngs, and was elected into the HOF. Now I know there is a huge difference between PEDs and using an illegal substance on a ball, but at the same time, it gave him a very big advantage, and he won over 300 games because of it.

    Obviously there are plenty of cheaters who have been caught and stripped of the honors they were given, and I still want anyone in the report to admit the use and move on, or prove they weren’t using PEDs, but I think at this point the damage can not be reversed, and now, we all have to move on.

    The other big issue would be if you decide that all personal awards should be stripped to those proven to have used PEDs, then you must look into EVERY award given during the era, and you must look into who had knowledge of the cheating in each instance, and if there is a manager who had knowledge, or a GM, or even another teammate, who did not come forward, should the teams records be revoked also? Should WS rings and other awards that teams received be given to another team?

  247. joeryan33 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:22 pm

    Curt,

    If you’re so concerned with handing back “tainted” accolades, please hand back your three World Series rings, because, by all accounts, all three clubs had more than their fair share of steroid users.

    Oh, and that NL Championship with the Phillies can be handed back too.

    Thanks,

    Joe Gallagher

  248. jeights permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:24 pm

    Its always good to have an opinion and I respect yours. However I think its an attempt to pile on when really the whole era should be stripped of any of its accomplishments. Unfortunately you played in an era that will forever be known as the “fake” era. It is unfortunate that this is the case because I truly believe that all baseball players are naturally gifted athletes without the need for enhancement drugs. But it is what it is. To name one player accountable for this is not fair. In fact while I applaud the fact that you supposedly have never used you still are part of the problem along with your union. By driving the salaries up you along with your peers have increased the need for a competetive advantage and thus created this black market for enhancement drugs. Did any of your former teamates ever take enhancement drugs? If they did….are you really going to tell me that you knew nothing about it? If you are trying to be “righteous” now its to late. You had the opportunity when you saw it happening in the first place. It’s better to be proactive than reactive!!

  249. cortesknows permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:25 pm

    O.K.Mr.Bloodysock;
    Your loudmouth seems to never stop b.s’n the baseball world(More than what it is).So you believe that (If proven guilty),The Rocket should surrender Cy Young Awards,w/l record,strikeouts,etc.Bottom line all achievements reached during the period of time in which he left the fan & player backstabers Red Sox (See Boggs,Clemens & Fisk cases for reference)Maybe we should also include the World Series won by each & every team since all this circus of steroid & HGH issues (Including the ones won by your D’Backs(Matt Williams) & Red Sox).Of course an new investigation should be put in place,but this time including your close buddies,David Ortiz,Manny Ramirez,Jason Varitek,Johnny Damon..to mention just some.

    Cuestion for you,Mr.Perfect;
    Is there a way to explain how this so called “Big Papi” (a line drive powerless,extra size player Whom was let goed by the Twins just for those facts & and before you start finding a lie to cover up Ortiz;let me tell you that followed his career since he played Winter League Baseball in The Dominican Republic) as soon as he arrived at The Magical City of Boston,suddenly & out of the blue,David Ortiz is a home run threar & a menace at the plate? A guy that washed out pitcher in every league never fear or respect as a power hitter.But of course maybe people don’t realize that there’s a liason at the top level of this so called” investigation “who is protecting the so clean immage of The Bean Town Puritans.How about that for your t-shirts slogan ?”The Bean Town Puritans”I’ve seen so many people drawn in their own fecies by all the garbage they talked,but I’ve never see such a Big Fella’ who can’t control his tongue.

    You a week to retur your World Champion Rings MR.CLEAN…Go ahead….back your words with facts…or start sucking on your bloody sock and shut up!Play Ball!

  250. dfglntr permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:25 pm

    Mr. Schilling, while I respect your on-field accomplishments and competitive zeal, your piece smacks of moral vigilantism–something you have engaged in frequently during your years in Boston. Your comments about Roger Clemens overlook two critical points: 1) there is absolutely NO CORROBORATING EVIDENCE in the Mitchell report that establishes Clemens used steroids; and, 2) steroid use in MLB was LEGAL in 2001. The lack of evidence in a report that reportedly cost baseball $20 million in legal fees is striking, and naming names based upon such a flimsy evidentiary showing is irresponsible at best.

    I also believe it to be most hypocritical for you to purport to write your piece as a “fan” rather than a peer of Clemens. You cannot change what you are in this instance: a ballplayer, competing for awards, recognition and attention, calling out and denigrating one of your rivals. The fact that you attempt to disguise this with silly platitudes about Clemens’s greatness makes your comments all the more distasteful.

    You would garner far more respect by posting an even-handed criticism of MLB itself–which fostered, nurtured, encouraged and profited from the steroid fiasco–than focusing upon one player who you may one day compete with for Hall of Fame induction. Perhaps you should focus your future comments upon Bud Selig–perhaps the worst commissioner in the history of professional sports–and call upon HIM to step up and take appropriate action to ensure that baseball becomes drug free.

    And while you’re at it, perhaps you should offer to reduce YOUR career victory total for each game that one of your erstwhile teammates helped you win while he was on steroids. I’ll be waiting eagerly to see if you make such an offer. If not, perhaps you should keep your comments about other players to yourself and avoid the sanctimony.

  251. soxfaninseattle permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:25 pm

    First post.

    Let me start by saying that I’ve been a Sox fan since 1976 – at the ripe old age of 5 – and Roger Clemens is my favorite pitcher. Once I turned 18, I’d travel to Boston once a year from Seattle just to watch him pitch. He was a secondary reason I had season tickets to the Mariners in the late 80s to early 90s. Hell, I may have even rooted for the Yankees when he would pitch.

    That being said, I agree with #38 that – as a fan – I feel Roger MUST work to clear his name. It doesn’t matter that he hasn’t failed a test. It doesn’t matter that his work ethic and dedication is probably what fueled his longevity and success. It doesn’t matter that, other than the sworn testimony of one who has his own best interests at the forefront, there isn’t any proof of wrongdoing. It doesn’t matter that society is quick to rush to judgement, especially with celebrities and stars.

    What matters is someone called him out. What matters is someone questioned his honor and integrity. That, my friends, is why he owes an explanation.

    On another note, I tend to agree with Costas on the issue of what to do with individual records. It’s a slippery slope when one starts to peel the PED onion. At present, it’s difficult to draw the line as to when to keep a stat/award and when to discard it. I suspect it will become even more arduous when more players admit to using.

    Finally… “GRAIN ASSAULT”…. too funny! I have an image forever burned into my brain of an army of farmers attacking a silo.

  252. jonnyjbones permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:26 pm

    We aren’t even talking grammar we are talking moronic responses here. Some advice:

    yanksfanfor25: Neither Trot Nixon or Johnny Damon were named in the Mitchell report. Read something before you say stupid lies.

    calio4life: There is no such thing as a grain assault. You are a moron. Stick to chewing bubblegum.

    schillinghater and erx825: PEOPLE THAT TYPE IN ALL CAPTITAL LETTER ARE IGNORANT MONKEYS IN REAL LIFE AND NOT JUST ON THE INTERNETS.

    natsfan4life: Form thoughts, then type them, then read after a few minutes to see if they will makes sense when others read them. Look up words you clearly don’t have a firm grasp on like “irony” and try to start using them correctly and not for emphasis.

    Also,

    Props to Mark: That was a reach with the Jim Everett video analogy but anytime someone knocks that arrogant jerk Jim Rome down we should all celebrate that moment forever.

  253. myselfalso permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:31 pm

    Curt, the last guy (#90) just sounds like an upset Yankee over that a third of his guys on the 90s teams that won the Series were cheaters.
    Anyway, my question for you is this: If a player’s numbers are wiped out of the record books, should the teams be forced to forfeit team awards (such as winning the World Series)? Should the San Fransisco Giants forfeit the 2002 NL Championship trophy because Barry Bonds was cheating?

  254. guyinphilly permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:32 pm

    I agree completely with your take, Curt. I’m curious to get your take on two other stories I am very passionate about. Here’s the link to my BLOG: http://insidetheeagles.blogspot.com/

    You can skip the first story as it applies to something that happened in Philly and the Eagles this past weekend but the 2nd and 3rd stories have national significance.

    Look forward to everyone’s response.

    Peace.

  255. dredrema permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:34 pm

    Curt,

    Reading some of these responses really chaps my behind. I’d like to state something for the record. What I admire most is that you speak your mind. I personally feel that Clemens is not taking the stand to try and clear his name because, God forbid, something comes up a month, a year, ten years from now that shows adamant proof that he did in fact use steroids to boost his pitching performance. What would he say then? How would he defend himself? Perhaps by stepping up and owning up to the fact that obviously George Mitchell has some sort of undeniable proof that Clemens did use steroids and giving back the Cy Young awards just as Marion Jones had to return her Olympic gold medals, he would have a lot more respect than not owning up to it at all. And yes, this is if, in fact, he were able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not use performance-enhancing drugs.

    What I believe that you meant was whether it’s Clemens or anyone else, they should own up to their mistakes and if they were in fact cheating in any way, shape, or form, they should not be able to keep whatever award that was bestowed on them because they obtained it in the wrong way. Comment #90 blows my mind. I think it’s pretty pitiful that the mindsets of so many folks out there can be so shallow and have such blinders on that it’s almost commonplace to accept untruth instead of having the slightest shred of dignity and integrity. That’s why I think people will always have something to say about what you blog because you’re pretty damn straightforward and a lot of people are not used to being confronted with the way things really are.

    I say stick to your guns, because there are those out there that completely understand what you meant.

    Go Sox!!!

  256. dredrema permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:36 pm

    P.S. #68 : Make sure you use Spellcheck the next time you would like to post a comment. I’m sure you’ll find it useful.

  257. phishingphreak permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:36 pm

    If the roids weren’t against the rules of baseball (til 04′), how could it be cheating?

    And what about the commish and the owners looking the other way, IGNORING something they new was wrong, but as long as their pockets were reaping the rewards, no problem. If the players give back the awards, then the owners and commish give back the money, and forfeit their HOF options as well. That will never happen. There are already known cheaters in the HOF. Why make these guys the exception?

    What a joke. So, what about all the other folks who used but got their shit from someone other than these 2 trainers. They used roids, who cares. Everybody was doing it. The playing field was leveler than you think.

    Best said by Ray Ratto:

    San Francisco Chronicle columnist Ray Ratto refuses to draw a distinction between steroid offenders and players with other black marks.

    “I would vote for Bonds on the first ballot, as I would vote for Clemens, because the Hall of Fame isn’t church,” Ratto said. “It’s the history of baseball, and this is part of the history of baseball. I can assure you that Bud Selig will be voted into the Hall of Fame, and he is the commissioner whose name will be linked with the steroid era by first ignoring it, then profiting from it, and finally blaming others for it.

    “I know that Cap Anson is in the Hall of Fame, and he was instrumental in the creation of the color line, which is way worse than PEDs. So this discussion ends up being an excuse for people with no institutional memory or understanding to claim a moral superiority they’re not really equipped to display.”

  258. cactus39 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:39 pm

    I think you are just trying to be in the spot light. You know when another player talks about another player it would make the news so thats what you are doing. It would be different if someone asked your opinion and this was the answer you gave, but instead you are lashing out. Yahoo’s website shows that you are issuing a challenge to Clemens. I really hope they find out something about you that you have to prove your innocense on.

  259. reeve2001 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:40 pm

    Curt. I hope that all is well. First of all – thank you for opening your thoughts to all of your fans by setting up this blog – it is truly amazing. You are an absolute class act in everything that you do. Please don’t let all the “haters” get under your skin.

    In today’s crazy society you are the perfect role model for all the young people. You are hardworking, spirtual, real, intelligent and resilient. And 100% steroid free!

    I agree that if someone “juiced” that their individual awards should be taken away. I really hope that Roger didn’t do it – but it wouldn’t suprise me if he did; especially since he is not trying to sue everyone in sight for putting his name in the Report.

    I don’t think you should take away an entire team’s awards if one or two players juiced on that team. I guarantee you that more Yanks were juicing in ’04 than Sox.

    Good luck with all your training for next year! Looking foward to seeing the Sox win another one next year in person. I was at Games 3 and 4 in Denver — amazing!. I still get chills thinking about your 2004 toast in the Sox lockroom to the “greatest Red Sox team of all time”.

    Who do you think would win between the ’04 Sox and the ’07 Sox?

    ps – I wouldn’t be so quick to say that Pedro, Randy and Josh are all clearly better than you — I think if you look at your stats and the longevity of your career you are as good, if not better than most of that group.

  260. warbler44 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:44 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out why you said in a Senate hearing that you had no knowlage of steroid use in baseball. I believe that as much as I believe Clemons…………..by the way, if I needed one win I would give the ball to you, your the best big game pitcher of your era..

  261. sigu655 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:45 pm

    Hey Curt,

    It’s great to see someone from the league actually speaking about and speaking OUT on what’s been going on or what’s been going WRONG about Baseball.

    I believe in what you’re writing cuz it’s what a lot of people are thinking!

    Good for you!

    I applaud what you say and do ( some of it anyway ) and I still believe in Baseball.

    Enjoy the off season and good luck next year … well,..not if you face my Mets in the WS of course : )

  262. kevinjudd permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:47 pm

    Curt,
    I’m not sure you fully understand what people are upset about with your previous posting. You went right back to it in this post. Why does Roger Clemens or any other person named by someone who is trying to gain favor for problems they are having with the government.

    Who should you tend to believe, someone who has absolutely broken the law and not done the right thing, or someone who has much more to lose with their reputation and who no one has ever questioned how hard they worked to be in top physical shape?
    Why in the world, without and physical evidence would Roger Clemens have to prove that he didn’t do these substances to you, to me or to anyone. I would say if there was some evidence other than this criminal dropping a “big name”, then yes. Other than that, I would say no.
    I don’t believe you have to prove that the “bloody sock” was real. There are many people who question that.

    I am a Yankee fan and I believe in you, that the bloody sock was real without you proving it to me. I think you should be praised for your effort that day, not accused of “cheating” or anything else. Good job on that day and last year. That is what sports is about, you play to win and play as hard as you can and then if you don’t win you congratulate your opponent, not accuse them of some type of deception or cheating. There is no evidence other than he-said-she-said.

    I don’t get the logic behind him having to prove himself to you.

    Kevin Judd
    A Very Disappointed Baseball Fan

  263. mike9 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:48 pm

    Curt, I think it’s cool to get an honest, up front opinion from someone who lives it. I’ve been hearing a lot of opinions about why it seems like baseball is getting the brunt of the press over the HGH “scandal”. Why is football not getting the same press? I think that this is where you could clear that topic up for a lot of people who really don’t know the game…who’ve never played it.

    Baseball is about class, and the silent rules of the game. You don’t steal a base if you’re up 5 runs. You don’t admire a homer and not leave the batters box until the ball has cleared the fence. I mean, you can do it…but you know where the next pitch is going to be thrown. It’s baseball’s way of policing their own. It’s a code of conduct that doesn’t need to be spoken. You hustle, you play hurt, you keep plugging.

    Football is a game of violence. Eye and crotch grabbing at the bottom of the scrum going after a fumble is the norm. Guys used to clothesline guys on the tackle. Stomping of feet with your cleats is cool. Anything to get that edge. If you play football and can get away with something, you do it. It’s the game of football.

    Roger Clemons was supposed to represent the game. He was one of the biggest faces…a guy with the broadest shoulders. He rubs Babe Ruth’s statue before he pitches. This gesture is about honoring the past, the class, and the integrity of the game of baseball. It’s about the credibility of the game. Once that is gone, so is the very essence of the game. I’ll say this, if he did use, then I would expect him to own up to it. His teammate Giambi did it. Does anyone ever wonder why Bonds gets so much crap and Giambi didn’t? It wasn’t ever a race issue, because it was always an integrity issue. The same kind where if you show up another player, and get beaned…you jog to first with your head down because you know you had it coming. That’s what makes this game beautiful.

  264. creds permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:49 pm

    Give up your awards Roger you cheated the game and fans!

  265. December 20, 2007 5:49 pm

    “the mitchell report that you refer to in regard to Roger Clemens returning his cy young awards also names 2 of your former teamates; Johnny Damon and Trot Nixon”

    Hey, bozo (yes, I mean you, yanksfanfor25), have you even read the report? My educated guess is that you have NOT done so. If you had, you would know that neither Johnny Damon nor Trot Nixon appear in the report. (Otis Nixon’s name does appear at some point.)

    Do your research before you post such stupidity.

    Oh, by the way, here is the link to the Mitchell Report. You’d best read it before you look more a fool than you already do:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/mitchell/index.jsp

  266. kevinjudd permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:49 pm

    Curt,

    Here’s another good point,… your 1993 Phillies team included some people included in the report. Should we take away your share of the postseason money and any awards from that year? Your team may not have won without those players or their substances. Then again they may have. What do you propose we do?

  267. djmixmode permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:50 pm

    You know, I have a BIG problem with you comparing Barry Bonds to Roger Clemens. A lot of people out there have been doing this and it makes me just sick to my stomach to read about it. You undeniably fail to recognize the fact that Barry LIED under oath to a federal grand jury. HE PERJURED HIMSELF and broke the law this way. Barry has developed a reputation for himself because he is nasty to reporters, can’t speak well to a camera, fails to recognize his fans, and lies when questioned by authorities NOT because he used steroids. How many countless other people have used steroids and don’t have all the negativity of Bonds? Its because he is a lier and a bad person in general. Thats why we all hate him and his ball is going to Cooperstown with an * on it.

  268. nickymantle permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:50 pm

    Its Andy P-E-T-T-I-T-T-E. If you want to be taken seriously, spell it right. C’mon, Schill….

  269. creds permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:50 pm

    Give the awrds to te players who didn’t cheat! Unfair to cheat the game.

  270. yankeefanfed permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:50 pm

    Curt you are biblethumping thug. No one cares about your opinions anymore. You always hate on the Yankees. suck it LONG LIVE THE EVIL EMPIRE!!!

  271. baseballnh permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:52 pm

    If anyone is interested there is a great post on waswatching.com for December 20th titled A tale of two Schilling’s. My question to you Curt is this, why were you asked to appear before the House Government Reform Committee on March 17,2005 along with suspected PED users McGwire, Sosa, Canseco, and Palmeiro? It seems odd that out of the 5 asked to appear that you are the only one clean.

  272. dons430 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:55 pm

    There is no sanctity with you is there? You attacked Barry by stating he cheated on his taxes and his wife, now you take a stand against a fellow player. You are better off not saying anything. Do you think the FANS really need your opinions? I bet you have no friends that feel comfortable confiding in you any personal matter, and if they have I am sure it will be in your book, after you are out of baseball. I bet you were that kid in school that no one really care for.

    Roger may or may not have taken the substance, but if he did, let him defend himself. I am sure you are the last person, he or any of the players mentioned,would call and ask your opinion on what they should do.

    Thank God your advice is free….because that is all any of what comes out of your mouth is worth!!

    As a fan, I really hope this is your last year playing in the bigs.

  273. andyyankee7 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:55 pm

    Hey Blood Sox, Why is it that the person who is investigating the steroid allegations happen to be on the Board of Directors of the Boston Red Sox’s and a part owner of the team? George Mitchell said that there were over one hundred names on the list, but he has only stated 80. Where are the other 20 something names? Of course they were mostly New York Yankee’s, but the Red Sox came out cleaner then a whistle!!! Someone should take a look at the size of Big Popi’s head before and after he became a Red Sox!!! George Mitchell should get his head out of his ass and do the right thing and remove himself from the investigation so it would be honest and fair to everyone, including the Boston players, even you Curt. And Curt, why don’t you mind your own business and keep your big yap shut and worry about your own team problems and don’t worry about the Yank’s so much. Maybe you should see the teams psychologist about your envy and jealousy problems pertaining to the New York Yankees!!!

  274. reeve2001 permalink
    December 20, 2007 5:55 pm

    I still have your quote from 2004 written on a board in my office – when you were talking about feeling down after losing game 1 to the Yanks in 2004 and you saw all the signs that people made for you on drive on th way to Fenway… and then you realized that if everyone else believed in that you should believe in yourself as well and you said:

    “Don’t be the only one not believing in yourself.”

    That quote helped get me through a lot of things and gave me the confidence to finish at the top of my class in law school and pass the California Bar exam.

    Do you think those words would come out of an egotistical man?

  275. tres3 permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:02 pm

    With all due respect I have lost any respect for Curt after his comments.
    Maybe he just has a hard time with the fact he will never be as good as Roger, with or without steroids.
    Sad commentary from a pitcher who wishes he had as many Cy Youngs.

  276. struggling4air permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:03 pm

    Curt: I totally agree with you when it comes to the whole mess. I am a major fan here in Toronto if i had heard that my man Joe Carter was juicing then i’d be killed emotionally. I would say that same thing to him as you have said to the rocket. Clear your name or give them back. Roger was a pitcher here when he was on top and I’d hate to see it come down to knowing that he was using. I want to know.. I need to know as a young guy that all my years watching the jays win and watching him and other great players break records was all done honestly. I love baseball and this all breaks my heart

  277. hedake permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:06 pm

    Who cares about steroids and HGH. It was during a time that almost everyone was doing it and it saved baseball. If it wasn’t for Big Mac and Sosa no one, not even you Curt would have probably came back to the sport. I can even recall a day when I met Mac outside Angels stadium and Big Mac is not so nice. He was the nicest person ever. He signed a jersey and took a photo with me. He also basically begged everyone out there to go to the game. He even said if you do not go, I completely understand.

    I think that they should just realize it was a time where stadiums got smaller, balls were tighter, and players got bigger. And it was during a time when it was NOT illegal.

    If it wasn’t for steroids, baseball would be like hockey is today.

    Hedake

  278. kristinalp permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:09 pm

    Oh my! The vitriol. For what it’s worth, this IS Curt’s blog, people! You need to respect the fact that what is published on it is his opinion and he has the right to voice that opinion as much as other bloggers do. I’m not saying that you can’t disagree, rather that you should be respectful and not RUDE!

    Curt, thank you for voicing the unease and “of two minds” that I know a lot of fans are experiencing.

  279. bmacsys permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:11 pm

    OK Curt, how about Luis Gonzales? That teammate of yours on the Diamondbacks who had no power and was skinny as a rail then “suddenly” has muscles and hits 57 homers. That is more than the great Mickey Mantle ever hit. What a farce. Almost as bad as Brady Anderson’s power surge.

  280. kilmeny permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:11 pm

    Once again, I would be curious to see how you might suggest a person prove their innocence in the face of rumor and hearsay. Here in the real world–where most of us live–protestations of innocence are typically met with skepticism (at best). You know, it could as easily have been you accused of steroid use. For years, my sisters have refered to you as the “Lutheran choirboy on steroids”. So, how would You defend yourself??

  281. rchambo permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:15 pm

    Hey Curt,
    Recently an Olympic gold medalist in track land field lost her gold medals due to the use of PED. Not only did the Olympic Committee strip her of her medals, but her relay teammates also lost their medals. Makes sense to me, since her relay team would not have won without her.

    Should the NY Yankees be stripped of the World Series championships for every year that a NYY player guilty of using PED was on their roster and contributed to their victory?

  282. nyc4611 permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:17 pm

    Humm!!!!!, finally. Yes, since 1998 I was wondering if Clement was using PED, because the way his face changed since…, and how he became better while aging. All MLB performance goes down with the age, we have seen it so far, so it was not surprise for me.

  283. December 20, 2007 6:21 pm

    Personally, I don’t think you have to defend your post from yesterday. I thought it was pretty direct, and clear as to how you presented it. But, that’s just my humble opinon. You can’t win for losing once you voice your opinion publicly…someone’s always going to disagree. 😉

  284. philip78 permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:29 pm

    Just to say thanks for your integrity, Curt. Too many Christians just say the words, with no life to match. I like what I have seen and heard these past few years so I decided to visit your blog. Good stuff. A little word of encouragement from Philip. Keep up the good work. Keep pressing into Him. 🙂

  285. December 20, 2007 6:30 pm

    To say that Schilling is jealous is completely
    ridiculous. You bozos are the ones that are
    acting jealous.

    The bottom line is that MLB should’ve done
    more to help prevent PED’s. At this point MLB
    should toughen up on PED testing and we
    should all just move on.

    BTW folks, don’t think for a second that this
    will hurt baseball in any way.

    I’m a big Astros fan, and I’ll be cheering for
    Tejada along with a sold-out Minute Maid
    Park crowd on opening day – GUARANTEED!

    Gaston

  286. ihate38 permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:30 pm

    Dear Curt,
    I am a life long Red Sox fan, and I just wanted to tell you that I hate you. I wish you never would have came to Boston. We could do better without you. Your should have retired this year, so we could get a better 5th starter in our rotation.
    You have an opinion on everything. You are always 100% right (in your own mind). You are so self-absorbed you have to have your own blog that you right in. No one care, and you make me sick. Get over yourself. Go back to Arizona.

  287. n2yankees permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:32 pm

    My opinion is the same. Anyone that has been found guilty of using and won awards or titles within that time frame should have to return them and be banned from the sport as was done to Pete Rose. I have let the Hall of Fame know my opinion as well when they had Mcguire on the ballot. If he used he should not have the title that Roger Maris obtained without chemical enhancement.

  288. December 20, 2007 6:33 pm

    Curt, computers ruin your eyes man! The
    long posts will come back to haunt you!

    😉

    Gaston

  289. bmccarren724 permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:33 pm

    It was Thomas Jefferson who said, (paraphrasing here) “he who assumes a public trust should consider himself public property”. So it goes with athletes in professional sports. Hearsay can be a terrible weapon and can be used to effectively smear anyone. I have no love, or even like, for Clemmens – he’s a jerk like Bonds and we all know it – but still, hearsay is hearsay. Yes, Roger signed up for the scrutiny. That’s part of why the salary is so high. Call it a nice pillow to lay on at night. How about, from the Mitchell report forward, unless there is empirical evidence (that is, verfiable scientifically) that someone has used a banned substance, DROP IT. We test each and every player in every professional sport, every single game they suit up for, including during training and even test during the off season. Too costly? Gee whiz! It should be in every player’s contract. Can they smoke pot or do coke? No, they are banned substances (ask Martina Hingis). One positive test, your nearest season numbers are eradicated and, two positive tests, you play for “league unto its own”. The new league (still thinking of a name) would be like wrestling; staged, with costumes, make-up and funny names. That way, the owners can make the money they love, the fans who don’t mind impure advantages will have something to watch and the rest of us can enjoy the real deal. I gotta hand it to you Curt, politics aside, you are a man in full and I mean that in the best sense.

  290. frankiecigars permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:34 pm

    Mr Schilling I have to say that you are a stand up guy and a great pitcher and it kills me to admit the latter being a great Yankees fan, but I give you the credit you deserve. I also think that more importantly you are doing fantastic off the field work in the name of awareness for some terrible afflictions. With all that being said what is it that you lack in your professional, social and personal life that you absolutly need to hear yourself pontificate and spout on about other people. If indeed The Rocket did take performance enhancing drugs to better himself that is between him and his maker. If he didnt then how do you think after all he has accomplished and been through he will walk away from the game he has made his life. There isnt going to be any returning of the awards due to the fact that Bud Selig has no spine and no intestinal fortitude to demand the game come clean. That would first entail him telling your precious players union to blow it out thier collective posteriors and demanding that all players be publically tested by third party labs and making the results public records. This would eliminate the need for the “rats” that Mr Mitchell seeked out for his investigation. Curt man do the RIGHT thing and get on you soapbox for the union to come clean and have the players of this great game of baseball stand up like the men we all HOPE you are and put an end to this hear say crappola.
    Best of luck to you and to the great game of baseball !!!!!!!!!!

  291. nickjakeben permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:38 pm

    Curt,

    You sound like a person who is trying to take advantage of someone who has only been accused. Question- How does he provide any evidence that he never used? Do you have any ideas? Maybe you shouldnt throw stones and look a little closer at your life.

  292. roblarge permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:42 pm

    curt,

    curt, curt, curt

    you really have foot in mouth disease.

    make that bloody sock in mouth. are you getting high off your own blood?

    first of all, you’ve got a trainer claiming he injected roger with steroids or something in an attempt to save his ass from jail. I’m not saying that mcnamee is lying or not. I’m just saying that I think I would do whatever I could to get my ass off the chopping block. and I never met roger clemens and I never injected anyone with steroids.

    secondly, roger hasn’t been charged with a crime and neither steroids nor hgh were banned by baseball at the time of the supposed injections. are you going to call for every player in the 60s and 70s to give up any records do to usage of speed or something? what about the guy on the pirates who got a no-no will tripping his balls off? are you going to disqualify his achievement because you’re too scared to repeat it?

    I think you’re a very talented pitcher who needs to keep his mouth shut.

    do what you’re good at. and please, please don’t think about running for office when your career is done.

  293. jmsecc permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:44 pm

    Strip awards? give me a break. It shouldn’t happen.

    The bottom line, if you get off your high horse about the “integrity of the game” is that this is a business and has been treated like one for so long that steroids were viewed as a natural way to make the game more exciting. The owners, managers, trainers and every other management type is JUST AS GUILTY. Repeat that: JUST AS GUILTY as the players who actually used them. Not only did they in some cases, ask the players and/or provide the steroids (although noone is really looking into that…), they turned a blind eye on it and never made a rule against their use.

    The bottom line: there was not a rule against using them when these players used them, so they didnt’ break a baseball rule so you shouldn’t strip awards from them.

  294. poltroop permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:46 pm

    Mr. Schilling,

    I feel that you could’ve left it at that. This last post was unnecessary in my opinion, you pretty much said what you felt was in your heart on YOUR OWN blog, which no one should scorn you for. By the way, John Smoltz also came out and said pretty much the same thing.

    I commend you for doing so.

  295. gr8fulsoccer permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:48 pm

    When the person doing the investigation isnt a principle contributor to your Major LEague Team then perhaps more people would listen. Why is it he only talked former NY trainers that are no longer employed by their teams.

    Something is fishy. Tell me Papi who averages 240 in Minnesota with 10-15 homeruns suddenly became a monster in Boston?

    Why did no one talk to Canseco during this investigation?

    Schilling you make the mistake of trusting this goverment. Everything comes down to money. From the wars on terror (its about oil) to baseball.

    So like one of the previous responses prior give back your rings, awards and trophies cause if there are numerous players using then all the records are tainted. MAybe one of your relievers who saved one of your games used? And if the hitter and pitcher were both using does that make it a fair match up?

    Ponder that

  296. yanksrdaclassofbball permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:54 pm

    “its my blog and if you dont like it you can leave” wah wah wah… what’s next crybaby, you gonna tell us that your daddy can beat up our daddy?? Dude, I come here to banter with the Sox fans. I don’t go to the Yankee blogs because I am not a robot that wants to read the same opinions that I have all the time…. That being said, you and I are the same age. You act like a spoiled baby brat with your bitter little opinions, you can’t handle it when someone puts you in your place. After yesterdays post and the overwhelming response you had against you, even from your fans, you should have quit while you’re ahead. Here’s some free advice: stick to writing about your phony baloney fund raisers and stuff like that… you know, things that will continue to put some attention on your washed up, has been behind.

    I can’t wait for the seaon to start… not only will we dethrone you wussys, we’ll do it and then the entire Yankee team will pee in the cup at the same time to show we did it without juicing. Your (slow)fastball will be like breakfast treats to our lineup. Take care loser boy, hope you get what you wanted for Christmas (( a dozen Dunkin Donuts and a Roger Clemens poster)

    P.S. Even without steroids, not only can Roger pitch better, but I’ll bet he can royally kick your a**!!

  297. hurrahog permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:56 pm

    Say what ya want but Curt’s the man.. I’d rather have people talk trash about me because I spoke my mind (and in this case the truth) than have them agree and call me a suck-up because I took the moral high ground regarding something I stood for.
    Look past the image ya have of Clemens talkin ta Babe before every start
    and admit that waiting a week ta even respond to such an “outlandish” statement paints this whole thing a guilt.. Pull yer heads out of the sand..
    This is more than just taking needles it’s the fact that he’s cornered and still wants ta deny it — regardless of this now we’ll always link Clemens ta roids and really does it matter because he didn’t really give a reason ta like him anyway. This is case where we can hate the player and LOVE the game.
    Keep it coming 38… as long as ya keep piling up the wins and K’s next to those World Series trophies and know yer not cheating you sir can say whatever ya damn well please…
    With any luck Clemens and Pettitte will take the Bonds express together and keep their un-glorified smug faces off our TV’s.
    Yanksfanfor25 sounds like a typical New York “fan” who live in fear of the bloody sock.

  298. andyyankee7 permalink
    December 20, 2007 6:57 pm

    SHERM’S A JUICER!!!

  299. rogerc22 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:00 pm

    Listen, it’s one thing to be pissed about steroid use, but it’s another to be jealous of one of the greatest pitchers of all time…You never made it out of Roger’s shadow, and you are a giant tool. You do nothing but bitch and moan, and these allegations aren’t even fact yet, and YOU are the disgrace to baseball. While we’re on that subject, you completely fit the profile of a steroid user. It’s a good thing George Mitchell is from Boston.

    Also, I am quite tired of the whole “bloody sock” incident. It’s old, just like you…retire already you giant steaming pile of crap.

    go YANKEES!!!!!!!!!

  300. marks1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:08 pm

    Curt, I’ll repeat the question I asked earlier. Is abusing legal drugs (painkillers) cheating? Did you use/abuse legal drugs in the bloody sock game?

    Mark
    Baseball Hot Corner
    baseballhotcorner.blogspot.com

  301. bkbell permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:09 pm

    Curt,

    You have without a doubt been one of the best but since you are so easy to point fingers where were you when you were on other teams ie Phillies and drug use was wide spread did you not blow the whistle on your teamates. Not to mention the fact that this report I would say is just the tip of the iceberg. I know when I was in High School (86′-89′) steriods were all over, I never touched or was even tempted to do so. I would have to say they had to be all over throughout the 80’s in MLB as well, let’s not kid ourselves.

    If Clemens did do steriods then I do agree he should return all hardware that he received while doing so. The difference between Bonds and Clemens is simple Bonds has had MANY people confirm he KNOWINGLY did steriods but with Clemens only one man said he did it no paper trail (check) with Clemens either. He is in a no win situtation here its one threatened man’s word against another.

    Oh wait I know, this buddy of mine just told me he sold steriods to you while you the whole time you were in Philly. Uh Oh your guilty! NOT!

  302. temoakamiami permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:10 pm

    Curt thanks for the much needed perspective on this issue. You remind us all baseball fans, that the sport is one that last bastions of American social institutions. Every other institution, media, family, faith, even government has been deconstructed and ridiculed to the point of stripping all joy and emotional attachments that once fueled the American masses in time of needed distraction from life, while giving us lessons in what it is to be an American. Baseball needs to resurface again clean, with transparency or we it will fall into the category of the wrestling world. Thank you for being honest, some call it judging, but someone needs to say “you’re better than that” and your voice is much louder than ours.

  303. john30087 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:16 pm

    It is incredible that so many Yankee fans are so upset that Clemens has been outed. If you took an honest look at Clemens’ career and the fact that he got better after he teammed with *Jose CANSECO* then you would not be so surprised. He was done in Boston in 1995. His innings pitched were down steadily over his last 3 years there. Suddenly, as if by magic in 1996 his innings pitched were WAY up again. It wasn’t magic, Jose Canseco became his teammate in Boston and Roger is revitalized! In 1997 Roger wins the Cy Young, Triple crown AND the TSN Pitcher of the Year awards after not winning ANY awards in SIX YEARS…..hmmmm!

    In 1998, Canseco re-joins Clemens in Toronto and again Roger wins the Cy Young, triple crown and TSN Pitcher of the year award! Wake up, Yankee fans! Clemens juiced. He won’t deny because he can’t! He does not want more damning information/evidence to come out. He is going to leave it up to his fans to speak for him. He is a cheat, but so is almost EVERY player in baseball.

    It is laughable to hear fans say that Clemens is innocent until proven guilty. When Bonds, Sosa and McGuire were labeled cheaters almost EVERYONE, at the same time, screamed they were guilty. There was very little talk about Bonds (or Sosa or McGuire) being innocent till proven guilty. Now that Clemens has been named (and rightfully so) there is all this talk about innocent till proven guilty, give him the benefit of the doubt…etc- hogwash!

    Clemens like Bonds is a hall of famer. Also, like Bonds just had some help becoming an all-time great.

  304. bolla7 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:16 pm

    curt just shut up and pitch

  305. maxdmar permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:17 pm

    Mr. Schilling

    Since you are very adament that all of those that have any past of illegal or dark actions in their lives come forward. I would like to request an answer to the following questions. All be that they are things you do not want your beloved following to know about you.

    1. Have you ever used illegal drugs? List everyone that you have tried?

    2. When was the first time you did?

    3. When was the last time?

    4. Have you ever cheated to get ahead in life…name every instance?

    5. Divulge to all of us every law that you have ever broken in your life?

    6. Have you cheated on your wife?

    7. If yes, how many times

    I could go on to a grand list…but I think that if you answer these on the front page of your blog, you will show that we all will have the proper information to pass judgement on you.

    That is what you do to these men. You are passing judgement on their lives, wether private or in the public eye of major league baseball.

    Reveal to us every dark and devious action or thought that you have had in your life so that we can again pass judgement on you with the proper facts…Since you feel that your opinion so valid to steer our minds. If you want to cast the first stone, show us what faults you have.

    I love baseball, I wish that it was still “America’s Pasttime”!

  306. 38rocks permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:20 pm

    Incase some of you people can not read, if you don’t want to listen to what Curt has to say then don’t log onto this website. He has every right to voice his opinion like he said this is HIS blog!!!!

    And for the record Clemens can’t compare to Schilling, Schilling is 10 times the man and pitcher!!!!

  307. redsox1918 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:20 pm

    Curt,

    This is just more evidence here that,….. God forbid somebody expresses an opinion in this country anymore. Sharing an opinion nowadays just results to someone being polarized. I guess we should all wear beige, hide in the bushes, and do our best to be a good lemming? That’s the real secret to quality of life, right? We have attained a new level of hate with blogs and message boards on the net, concerning differences of opinions. People are too easily threatened by others who might think differently than they do. It’s just too convenient now for one to hide behind a keyboard and spew the “I am right, you are wrong,…your opinion is not worthy,…your analytical skills are not not up to snuff…..it’s a joke now.

    “Oh,…the horror,…the horror,….Curt Schilling might have a different opinion than me?” I guess I should open up the snarky comment silo, and launch some missiles? That’s a good time, right? 🙂 🙂

    I’m still waiting for someone to show me two human beings that think exactly alike! 🙂

    Curt, don’t change,…keep on being you!

    Merry Xmas and Happy New Year!!

  308. harley2002 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:21 pm

    Kurt,

    I just read your blog. Interesting take on things Kurt. Roger Clemmens may or may not be guilty of taking steroid injections. If he is, and you suggest Clemmens give up his three Cy Youngs if he can’t clear his name, shouldn’t the Boston Red Sox withdrawl as being the world champions in 2007? Eric Gagne pitched that season, did he not. Gagne had a direct effect on the success you had in 2007. Congrats on your win!*

    Not to change subjects or leagues, but shouldn’t your Patriots, if they happen to win it all this year, forfeit all their rings? Stop crying and concentrate on your pitching.

  309. adamyo84 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:25 pm

    Curt
    I respect you as a great player in the game even though i hate the red sox. but you have to get off the backs of the great players in the game. Once you have accomplished what roger clemens has then you should be able to call him out but for now just shut up and play the game

  310. ajp1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:25 pm

    Hey Curt maybe you should take back your comments about the number of players involved, the fact that you sat there and called Canceco a liar while you swore to tell the truth….when you knew he was dead on about the number of players involved makes you as big a hypocrite as Sammy pretending he forgot how to speak english or Palmero wagging his finger and lying about his steroid use. All this holier then thou act is kind of insulting because any real fan …much less a player who saw it every day…could see what was going on as far back as the late 80’s. Get real instead of bad mouthing Clemens spend your blog time calling for the resignation of that tool of a commissioner Selig. He was looking at attendance and revs with the owners while the sport so many americans love and care about was turned into the WWF. Did you forget the SI article you gave on the subject? Maybe some of you guys could devote some time traveling the country and warning high school athletes about the dangers of roids and quit pointing fingers at each other and calling for people to give back awards…THAT would be a step in the right direction. P.S. Although his motive was payback for being blackballed and really wasn’t all that honorable Canceco should be thanked for bringing baseballs dirty secret out in the open…..care to comment?

  311. lawcrap permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:28 pm

    Curt –
    I’m not a Red Sox fan, but have ALWAYS been a Schilling fan. Ever since you indicated that had you been able to have lunch with any past sports star, it would have been Walter Payton. You say things like you see them, and that should be respected. I also believe that as a FAN of Roger Clemens, he should clear his name or be held accountable for his actions. Too many times are people afraid to give their opinions, and not be able to handle the consequences. You give your opinion and it should be respected. I agree with you and wish you and your family the very best. Good luck next year.

  312. pulaudan permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:30 pm

    When I heard about the Mitchell report before it came, I was thinking : what if I saw Schilling’s name on it. What would I say?

    I said to myself: if Schilling did it, he should apologize for it. It is so simple.

    What if Clemens had done it? Stand up and face it like an ADULT, just like he stood up and took award and cheer from the fans. It is so simple.

    It is not about being jealous. I am a simple fan like you. For me it has been always about admiration when I look at these great pitchers.

    These great played may not feel they owe the fans anything. But I do feel that they owe the fans an apology; they owe it to the people who really believe and admire them when watching the baseball games.

  313. rgraz permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:32 pm

    Wow, all these mis-spelled attacks on you using poor grammer. If I was going to attack you for stating something so obvious, I would first read what you wrote, then I would form a reasoned, well-written response instead of writing something that sounded like it was coming from a 5 year old.

    That said, I agree with you, Curt. If someone didn’t use PEDs, then I would expect them to open their mouths right away at least saying that they were going to clear their name. I know if I was innocent, but accused of something, I would be maintaining my innocence to the world, telling everyone that would listen, “I didn’t do it!”

    And if they did use PEDs, they should be subject to the same fate as Marion Jones…forfeiture of all awards during the time of the drug use. But I don’t think that their innocent teammates should have to return theirs as some have stated. Why punish the people who did it right?

  314. jonnybaltimore permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:34 pm

    Wow lots of idiots out there! If you dont like Curt’s outspokeness don’t subscribe to his blog! Jonny damon and trot Nixon were not mentioned in the actuall Mitchell report!! And finally I dont think Curt was actually planning to get Roger to turn his recent Cy youngs, its called goading, and I think he is expressing as a baseball fan his disapointment and desirres that Roger would make a more direct stand against his alegations. Curt I had the same feeling when i saw OJ Simpson running away in that infamous slow speed chase, I did want him to be innocent and remebered his great accomplishments on the field, but like OJ, I dont think Roger is innocent my friend. Sorry.

  315. redsoxpassion permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:35 pm

    schillinghater –

    Schilling holds the major league record for consecutive starts without allowing an unearned run, at 69 games; three time CY Young runner-up; 2001 co-World Series MVP and three World Series championship rings.

    Overrated?!?! On what scale? Lay off the juice man, the roid rage is warping your mind.

  316. TheNorEaster permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:37 pm

    Schill:

    Good post. You are always very direct. And during this long, dark winter The Game is facing, that is certainly appreciated by me.

    I grew up watching Clemens. So I will say that I hope he is innocent and clears his name. If not, then I think he should do exactly what you suggested: return his awards so that they can be given to the runners up.

    After all, Marion Jones had to return the gold medals she won at The Olympics after it was proven that she used PEDs.

    Pettite, to me, has always been a Yankee. That means as a Red Sox fan, I never wanted his team to win. Ever. But I respect him for admitting that he made a mistake.

    It reminds me of something my pastor had once said [paraphrase], “The punishment is a lot less if you can admit you’ve done something wrong, but if you try to hide the truth you’re going to get what you deserve and then some.”

    I hope the guilty players, whoever they are, realize that before it’s too late and The Game is tainted even more.

  317. hutch1510 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:42 pm

    Curt how so many people mistook what you were saying is beyond me, if it was a friend of mine i would be saying the same thing, he needs to clear himself plain and simple, if he can’t do that then hes cheated his family, friends, fans of his and baseball in general. It annoyed me today listening to Skip “I’m probably the stupidest sports writer around” Bayless and whoever the lady was with him ragging on you today and everyone else for that matter, like you said its your opinion and if they don’t like it they don’t have to read it.

  318. flyingvee permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:43 pm

    Hey there Curt, I am writing from the great Philadelphia area, land of the true Schilling team lol. Ok having said that, to the basic idea in this whole debacle, it’s obviously only a idea of mine or my personal opinion so here goes. In the first place why is it that no one is focusing on the dire need after the strike to bring fans back to the game, ergo make it more exciting as the baseball hierarchy was committed to do.

    I can’t imagine that the whole league didn’t catch a steroid or HGH user, do people look that foolish…are we to believe that ooh my God, we never knew is the Commissioners known and only response? of course not they not only knew but encouraged it, to get fans back into the seats, owners are nothing more than prowlers over a prey, taking a carcass and wringing it out over the dry land till it’s use is of no more to them then on to the next. …and now cry wolf. I have to believe that Commisioner Selig, and the league is attempting to avoid some sort of legality that might in fringe upon their profits over this, as the reason why this has come to a head.This is a absolute joke…what a fool he is to try and ram this down our throats…to think he can say he never knew, nor did anyone in Authority did either is baseless, but then again he is the author of the tie all-star game….what a embarrasment he has been…if integrity is his desire he needs to do the first step…quit.

    It is just another attempt to bury a athlete over something that was left to temptation ..one who needs to feed his family based only on his ability to produce numbers and consistently keep doing so, thus he errs and not only in integrity, but even worse his health down the road, and damage to the integrity of the game.

    Interestingly enough George Steinbrenner had no problem signing him (Clemens) to a contract, you’d think that such a Legal Linguist as George, would have dotted his I’s and crossed his T’s, in testing his body for health fully before signing him, I’m sure he had to…and he didn’t know of the steroid abuse…thats hogwash. I agree with you in the opinion of that the records are a scam…absolutely…but who really is to blame?

    The only thing Bonds, and others are guilty of is bad judgement, I’m sure these providers of the substances knew what they were doing, and to point out the players by the trainers, who went along with it and provide it at the time, states the support from the back door of the organizations that allowed this to occur.

    How is this resolved, Bud Selig tells the truth that he knew and steps down, but that wont happen…after all he is a innocent bystander as usual. Best of luck Curt, Vito

  319. jason9612 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:44 pm

    In theory, I agree that Clemens should give up the Cy Youngs he won if he cannot prove any innocence…however, like a previous poster said above me, it opens up a whole new can of worms. Just how far can you take that? Can you take away wins of teams, which affect the entire season? It would completely re-write history to do something like that.

    We have to start fresh now, instead of trying to fix the past. What’s done is done, it’s time to look ahead and put a serious end to this.

    I do applaud you though, Curt, for taking a stand and saying something. I respect your opinion as an accomplished player who has achieved much through playing the game CLEANLY and fairly. God bless.

  320. pcampy permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:44 pm

    It is not surprising that a man who has aligned himself with George Bush has no problem ignoring a person’s civil liberties to trample on his reputation. Your holier than thou attitude only makes sense. Have you ever spoken to Roger Clemens about this? Have you spoken to his accuser? I don’t think Roger got that opportunity. That used to be a right in this country, but in Curt and George’s world people are guilty until proven innocent. I hope one day some idiot accuses you of cheating or even worse, something illeagal. Then some clown with the wherewithall and a forum such as yours can fan the flames of your guilt. Who knows, maybe you’re a wife beater, child abuser, or closeted homosexual. Don’t like the sound of that huh? Then please keep the inflamatory opinions to yourself bigmouth.

  321. thuglord permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:46 pm

    Curt,

    Why are you not asking for Barry bonds to take back those homeruns?

    And why are you not going after anyone else on the mitchell report?

    It looks to me that Roger clemens was sucjh a better pitcher then you that you need something like this to make you compare better to him?

    You cannot sit there and say that out of the people named you had no idea what was going on ?

    One could say that your guilty for not turning anyone in or maybe only people on your team were you benefit is ok ?

    I think its called “ROGER” envy.

    When you or anyone else can show me a failed test then indict roger until then go buy is jersey .

    See im an old school baseball fan ,
    Babe Ruth s idea of juice was drinking way to much by even todays standards and still hitting more homers than most.
    You guys make way too much money for playing a game which you guys are making a mockery of .

    also why not go after arod for making his statement in your world series game?

    I dunno but I still live in a country that we are all innocent untill proven guilty.

    But im sure Bush is trying to change even that .

  322. dv11869 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:46 pm

    it is astounding how fans and people who never played pro ball can comment and sound like they know what they are talking about. he cant pitch or he cant manage if his life depended on it, please people get a life and just watch and enjoy the game. curt i think that if players used drugs or cheated need to be punished and ammendments need to be made. dont allow the games misfortune sway you from greatness. you are the best i have seen and will ever see in my lifetime. you brought to boston a new life in the game and keep playing the best you can. and to those who think they know everything, tell us who you are and when you will be on the field next so we can all see how well your words fit into a glove and bat.

  323. December 20, 2007 7:47 pm

    “The distilled point by natefrancis:
    Hey you guys telling Curt to shut up would you please shut up.”

    Not at all. A blog commenter should be free to argue and counterpoint. If you think Curt’s post is moronic, abusive, off-base, etc, the comments here are open for you to express that. But “just shut up” is not an argument, it’s not defensible rhetoric, and it’s impolite. And it runs entirely counter to the purpose of a blog.

    If I disagree with a blog author, or find no value in their posts, I simply don’t go to that blog anymore. I know you have a limited intellectual capacity, but this doesn’t seem hard to understand.

  324. jimboelliott permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:49 pm

    jimboelliott

    When i first read your comments i got real upset! I mean what kind of christian would initiate that kind of trash talk?? But if you cant lead by example, then maybe baseball is done!!! A sport I love full of so called christians, pointing fingers,, wrong !!! We are all children of god! You should pick up your brother, not knock him down!!! Nothing nice to say??? Then try to say nothing at all! I forgive you as a brother of christ, and respect your play! Please in the future try to be the bigger person!! take care and may god bless you and your family on this christmas holiday!! jimbo elliott

  325. usmctet68 permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:50 pm

    this report is a joke writtem by a past member of the red soc board of directors and will ba again soon omits the red sox,yet mo vaughn did them when he was there and targets the 2 new york teams.
    and what about you and all the players whose salaries have made it so that poor people can not afford to go to the game, what is amasing is that brady andersens name was not on the list dit he ever hit even close to the 50 homers before or after whats even more bizzare is the cost of the report and that congress is involved when men and women r dying in irag

  326. thuglord permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:51 pm

    no edit button, but this whole steriods thing is killing baseball .. and if you know about and dont tell anyone you may as well be doing them yourself.

    If you need steriods to compete then your too old or you are just not that good to begin with .
    I dont care if its derek jeter arod curt shilling barry bonds or the newest triple a player that just got signed yesterday .

    Drugfree is drugfree.

  327. coachcostanh permalink
    December 20, 2007 7:56 pm

    Hi Curt,
    I agree completely with your points. I am a big Rocket fan, even after he left us. However, the average person is looking at this report, and the responses, or the lack of responses as if everything is black and white. If it were me, I would, like most of your following, run out and exclaim to the world, I didn’t do what I’m accused of. Enter into the equation lawyers and/or agents, and the ever damning media, and I think most of today’s athletes are encouraged to refrain from the popular emotional response. This is why we as pure sports fans, and not just baseball, from New England enjoy you so much in this area. You represent the athlete that has been lost in time. One who, win lose or draw will state your point, and stand behind it. For that, thank you. It is always a pleasure to hear you voice your opinions. Even if it isn’t the most popular. This is my first time on your site, and I have had a ball catching up with your writings. I will be certain to have my wife, and sons wear RED on every Friday. God Bless America… Go Sox, and Merry Christmas to you and yours.
    Nashua, NH

  328. thuglord permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:00 pm

    you know Curt you are this person who feels the need to point out about Roger because its good for the game or the fans or whatever fine.

    But why dont we ever hear how you or anyone in baseball has helped the old timers out lets just take JR richards for instance .
    was an awesome talent who instead of taking steriods he took crack cocaine and was living under a bridge.

  329. busyone23 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:03 pm

    Curt,

    Good article and definitely on point. After reading the Mitchell Report, I cannot help but have serious doubts about Roger Clemens.

    I hope he can successfully refute the report, but then again, I had hoped that Jose Canseco’s book wasn’t accurate.

  330. workinprogress60 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:04 pm

    Curt, if one is indeed INNOCENT, tell me HOW he proves that. It’s up to the accuser to produce EVIDENCE — that Roger Clemens is guilty of something. Of course you’re entitled to your opinion, as we all are but it sounds as if you’ve already made up your mind as to his guilt. If you truly are a friend, why not stand by him and BELIEVE that he’s innocent??? Tell me what PROOF there is that the man did anything wrong — just the fact that someone SAID it? Okay, tomorrow I’ll try to put an article in the newspaper that you’ve cheated on your wife. In fact I’ll say that I KNOW you’ve cheated on her because you did it with me. You see if I tell enough people in the right places, people will believe it won’t they? But will it be true? Of course not but that just doesn’t seem to matter anymore, does it?

  331. galaziomarine permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:18 pm

    Kurt

    Look man… I thought you had a brain. It is apparent that you lack either an IQ or just good old fashioned professionalism. With all your ramblings, please tell us why YOU declined to meet with Sen. Mitchell? Also, since you are such a “leader” of the anti-PED’s movement and feel it is “in the games best interest” for Roger Clemens to relinquish his wins, awards and such… then why don’t YOU step to the plate and give up your WS rings and wins from the past two WS wins?

    Ya know… you sound a lot like the whiney little bitch from the playground that runs off crying to mommy.

    Frankly, I have ALWAYS thought YOU had some help from PED’s… Just like you, we all are entitled to opinions. Until you take the steps to prove your innocence, then I will clump you in with the 83 named…because you know as well as anyone, there was MANY MORE than the 83 named.

    Not being on a “list” doesn’t equate to innocent and clean.

    Just my opinion.

  332. badger99 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:21 pm

    Can’t people understand the difference between team awards and individual awards?

    It is a hell of a lot easier to take away individual awards for *individuals* that cheated than it is to dive into “who had more cheaters on their team” and try to re-determine the outcome of baseball games.

    You can’t possibly mess with team awards – nor is Curt advocating it. But you can definitely say that Canseco was cheating when he won his MVP. He has admitted it. Therefore, he should lose that award. It really isn’t that hard a concept.

    The number of knuckleheads making comments is just astounding. I have determined that I’m not reading or making comments any more – way too much noise.

    Curt – I was encourage you to turn off comments. By and large, they add nothing and only serves as a forum for ill-informed grain assaults and haters who make no logical argument – just spew idiocy…

    I love reading this blog, Simmons’ stuff, etc – and almost all of the good stuff out there doesn’t allow people to submit comments. Provide an email address to allow people to send comments to and then just send any submissions right to the bit bucket.

    and THANKS for a very entertaining editorial. Perspective from an active player is always good stuff.

  333. bosoxman70 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:22 pm

    as much as i dislike the yankees i am still a clemens fan. i was really shocked and saddened by the allegations in the mitchell report. curt i really agree with what you said. and i really hope this doesnt turn into another Black Sox Scandal. My Hometown Hero was involved (supposedly) in that. Shoeless Joe Jackson. I just hope another of my heroes dont go down like that.

  334. asu1990 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:36 pm

    I am not a Roger Clemens fan (or a Curt Schilling fan for that matter), but your demand that a man prove himself innocent of an act for which there is no evidence either way, is ridiculous. Equally as ridiculous is your question about who is more credible. The author of the Washington Post article states that the “rat” never spoke to Senator Mitchell until he was facing jail time, and only then did he tell the Senator “what he wanted to hear.” The author then wonders about the “rat’s” motivation to lie. Hmm… what could it be?

    It is unfortunate that the court of public opinion finds one guilty until proven innocent, but your use of the pathetic adage “it is what it is” is beneath anyone with the slightest bit of common sense. However, it is not surprising coming from someone who compares the issue with the O.J. Simpson Bronco chase. The difference? As I recall, O.J. was fleeing from the police while aiming a gun at his own head.

    A positive test or an admission, and I’m with you. However, in criminal or civil court, it is near impossible to prove one’s self innocent. If you merely want him to refute the charges, I think his “I didn’t do it should” suffice.

  335. warbler44 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:37 pm

    Roger? so the trainer told the truth abouy Petite and lied about Roger? So many sheep here………….he juiced, Canseco told the truth and Curt Schilling was a good soldier and played Scooter Libby in front of the Senate……when are you going to blog about your testemony in front of the country Curt? What a bunch of nonsense came out of your mouth that day……depends on what the meaning of “is” is?; or just flat out lying? The truth is the truth, be a man like Canseco and tell what you knew about the 93 Phillies. Tell what went on in that clubhouse. You may help a little kid avoid the hell of steroid abuse instead of protecting criminal drug users.

  336. cwazy08 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:39 pm

    Cmon Curt! Give it a break! I have been a fan of baseball and The Red Sox since 1978. I appreciate you integrity, your work ethics as I understand them. This is a platform for you to express yourself as well as fans wishing to express themselves.

    Roger laid down on his team in the 86 World series, every fan of the game and especially the Red Sox knew that. You have a blister, awwww I feel bad this was his last game of the season, you play until the finger falls off.

    Roger Clemens was dominant pitcher in his prime. Until the Great Dan Duquette said he was in the twilight of his career. I guess after all these years he knew what he was doing huh? Roger is a cheater, liar, and an undeserving reciptient of awards he didn’t rightfully earn. He should NOT even be considered for the hall. End of story!

    Now for you Curt, STOP! Why do you have to be the voice of reason? There are many ball players right now, and thousands in the past. Don’t let your chances of and hall votes be wasted because people didn’t like you for speaking your mind. Let a player who has no shot of making it.

  337. bluesconvert permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:40 pm

    The past two days are why this blog is on my short list of “sites to check every morning”.

    Thanks for being you, Curt.

  338. yankeethinker1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:40 pm

    first, who’s fault is this situation the players,owners, trainers. If there was a strict policy in place in the first place we wouldn’t be having this discussion. second, steroids(not performing enhancing)are being introduced to kids in high school. owners want to fill seats so they want injuries to heal faster,pitchers to throw more strikes and big hitters to hit more home runs. Steroids are in every sport are we going to erase every record. They need to drop all these allegations and move forward enforce a new policy of drug free sports. If and when Clemens took steroids was there a policy in place to say it wasn’t allowed. Just because other big name players weren’t named doesn’t mean they didn’t take steroids, maybe you too took steroids(curt). You can’t just take steroids and go out and hit home runs or throw no hitters you have to have that ability in the first place. MOVE ON!!!

  339. 10cents permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:40 pm

    It is worth noting what Clemens attorney said to the media because in that statement, it is clear that he actually DID NOT deny steroid use.

    This is because the statement is in lawyer speak (aka politician speak) in which words have to be parsed differently than in human speak. Really. This is something anyone who has spent time with lawyers and or politicians learns very quickly.

    Here is the direct quote:

    “I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life. Those substances represent a dangerous and destructive shortcut that no athlete should ever take.”

    What he said is that he WANTS to state clearly and without qualification that he did not use steroids, followed by a COLON, then the rest of the sentence. This allows him to avoid providing the simple declarative sentence: “I did not take steroids.” THAT would have been a denial. THIS is a legal stalling tactic while they check out the case against them.

  340. tincup7 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:48 pm

    Curt,
    The steroids should have been stopped long ago when they first started, now we the fans believe all of you cheated. Your just as guilty as everyone if you knew it was going on, although I believe you also used too. Every player should have to submit blood and DNA before the next season begins and if it shows they used then remove them from the game forever and their records also. The money y’all made was more important than the game to y’all. DNA will be the tell all, so, Curt would you be willing to submit a DNA sample ?

  341. jessica1959 permalink
    December 20, 2007 8:52 pm

    Mr Shilling, I must applaud you for speaking your mind. I have no doubt you have taken a lot of grief because of it and personally don’t think you need to apologize for articulating an opinion…especially on yur own web site. That being said, if I may sunmit my two cents worth.
    I for one, do not see the justification of apologizes from several players named in the Mitchel report. My gut instinct tells me these players came “clean” as a reult of fear. My belief is that they recognized the detailed accusations and realized they had no choice. The people who spoke with the investigators didn’t pull the names and dates out of a hat. They were very specific about who, when, and what. That, I would thing would give the players accused a reason to ponder the severity of their indiscretions.

  342. denisesoxfan permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:02 pm

    Curt, I love your blog! I’m a huge fan of yours. But today, I am writing to say thanks to some of the folks who’ve responded to this latest post. Thank you, calio4life, for the “grain assault”. I’d love to see what it looks like when a “grain assault” takes place! Thanks, Matt1623, who can’t spell to save his life. Thanks, Cortesknows, for letting us know that Big Papi had been “let goed” by the Twins. And thank you, ihate38, for letting us know that when Curt shares his opinion, “no one care”. I had a really miserable day today, but you guys had me laughing so hard I was crying! Thanks again! And, Curt, pay no attention to those bozos! Keep sharing your opinions and, next summer, pitch like the master that you are!
    Denise

  343. jimpat6058 permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:08 pm

    Curt,
    Your comments are right on the money. Thanks for all you have done.
    I’m happy your with the sox for this coming year.
    In regards to Cancecos MVP, I beleive Mike Greenwell was next it should go to him.
    Merry Christmas

  344. 19strikes permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:12 pm

    Where is the line drawn? These components athletes are taking are typically found naturally in the body – creatine, testosterone, growth hormones etc. So do you ban everyone taking creatine? Protein shakes? What if an athlete genetically over produces testosterone or growth hormone, is he/she banned from professional sports? My personal opinion is that you cannot strip a baseball player of their accolades because you will be penalizing the few who are caught, and not the majority who are using. Jones was stripped of her olympic medals for individual efforts AND the relay but how can you fairly take away medals from say, Clemens, when the batters he faced likely were using some kind of enhancer? In this day and age of medicine, heck, isn’t a knee operation a performance enhancer? Or glasses/contacts? Where is the Darwinism here? Clearly that athlete was not the strongest to survive, but with modern medicine we can put almost any athlete back on the field or improve their output. And what is going to happen in say 30 years when parents genetically design their children to be more intelligent, taller, left handed? Yikes, we are going to need new leagues – the boring natural athlete, and then those that will do anything to be the best. I better take some sleeping pills right now so I can best compete for tomorrows boardroom meeting. And right before, a redbull. We are all competing against each other…

  345. jessica1959 permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:34 pm

    Mr Shilling, I must applaud you for speaking out on the Mitchell Report issue. I for one don’t think you need to apologize for articulating your opinion, especially on your own web site. I’ve no doubt you have and will continue to get grief for your stance.
    I personally agree with what you wrote. From my perspective, simply as a fan, that these transgressions are unforgivable. Whether professional athletes agree or not, they are representatives of a company/business and in being so, should be held accountable for their actions. Because of the nature f this particular business, these players serve as role models to young men and women who aspire to achieve success in their future, chosen endeavors, be it sports or any other vocation. To take lightly this exalted station is unquestionably an act of irresponsibility. For those players who have been named and continue to remain silent is, to be sure, an outright act of cowardice. Perhaps I am old fashioned (I have been accused of this a time or two) but an adult owns up to his transgressions without excepetion, hesitation or regret.
    In the case of the players who have stepped forward, I am amazed at the kudos bestowed upon them. Andy Petitte’s “apology”, as an example, does not strike me as a heart felt regret, but more as attrition. It is my gut feeling that given the detailed conversations that Senator Mitchell and his investigators outlined in the report indicates to me they are truthful. These gentlemen, (those whom the Senator conversed) for whatever motivations, were too detailed and exact in the who, what and when of their statements/accusations. I cannot help but feel Petitte, Roberts, Vina, etal came “clean” not as an act of conscience but as a residue of fear. I think they recognized that the report, being as detailed as it is regarding their individual participation was too close to the truth to be “made up” or fabricated.
    It amazes me how many people have posted opinions stating how they feel the report is a “sham” or a “witch hunt”. It is almost laughable , the accusations of bias on Senator Mitchell’s behalf. These names weren’t drawn out of a hat. They were reported because they indeed engaged in illegal acts. This I have absolutely no doubt. I also believe in time, the full truth will come out and that a majority of the players named will come to terms with their involvement. (However, I must say, I think Roger Clemens will be the very last to do so) The players must surely realize this. Or at least the ones who have already issued statements admitting their involvement with PEDs realize it.
    Another issue that I find troubling regards possible punishment, sanctions, or bans. The emphasis seems to be on monetary punishments first and formost. I have read some articles,posts and opinions that state, “nothing” will be done. This nothing seems to center on the monetary issue and some on the suspensions/bans. That, in my opinion, is not what should be the issue. The issue is about honor, integrity, and responsibility as adults. As adults, be one a professional athlete, a school teacher, the police officer on the local beat or any other station in life, we are entrusted to set examples. And yes, it is damn difficult to always act accordingly. But one shouldn’t have the threat of punishment as an enducement to behave in an adult fashion. These men who have been called upon the carpet must not answer to just baseball, but the country as well. they must answer to the generations that follow. Their own children as well as the children who adore and idolize them for what they should stand for are the pheriperal victims here. They must act not in fear of a lighter wallet or the absence of a distant Hall of Fame honor, but as men, as adults. As responsible citizens.

  346. rhymeister permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:34 pm

    Thanks for speaking out and I agree with you 100%…except I have long had my suspicions that Roger has been supplementing. Look at how his physique has changed over the years as well as his numbers.

    It cracks me up that people finally know *some* of the truth about some players who have been using PEDs. Lenny Dykstra…that was obvious when he came back from supposedly a summer’s worth of hard weight training with 30 lbs more muscle. Humans canNOT put on 30 pounds of muscle in one summer, let alone a year without a lil sumthin sumthin.

    But back on Roger, I guess you got your bubble busted on your “idol.” He’s shown his guilt by not coming out and publicly denying usage, end of story as far as I’m concerned. Like most baseball fans/players I’d have a little bit of respect for the man if he would come out and admit that he used but he’s going to try to use Barroid’s methodology. Good luck with that, Rog!

  347. oneopinion permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:45 pm

    Hey Curt….glad I could be of assistance 🙂 :

    “All of you screaming yahoos who repeat the phrase “[i]n this country everyone is innocent until proven guilty” or some variation of that have to understand one thing: That is the standard in a court of law – not a court of public opinion! Curt did not say he was writing as a judge or a jury!! How many of you who are quick to defend Clemens have written or said that OJ is guilty!? Many, I’m sure. Yet, OJ was found not guilty – in a court of law! Does that mean he’s innoncent? Of course not! My opinion: I don’t need a court of law to tell me, no matter what standard of proof that is in play, that OJ and Clemens are both guilty – one of double homicide and the other of using PEDs; I believe that both are guilty. Can I state with certitude? Of course not; I don’t have personal knowledge. Would I bet the family farm on it? Indeed I would. I had alot of respect for the late Boston sportswriter Will McDonough, who labeled Clemens, a long time ago, the “Texas Con Man.” All of the circumstantial evidence is enough, for me anyway, to believe he used steroids. I also believe he asked Darrell Johnson to come out of that World Series game, despite his denials. I’d respect Roger Clemes more if he just told the truth. Again, I could be wrong, but I very much doubt it.”

    p.s. Thanks for posting that video of the troops in the airport…very moving.

    Take it easy.

  348. mikeym permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:47 pm

    curt (loser),

    When are you going to do us a favor and shut your trap? You always have to try to put the spotlight on you. I’m just wondering why you weren’t the first one to talk to sen. Mitchell . You would probably have ratted out you’r own teamates if it would have made you look better. I’m pretty sure we all know the reason you didn’t. (I know you Boston fans are a little slow so …I’m saying you probably used steriods yourself).

  349. pizzyp permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:49 pm

    Curt –

    Sorry – this reply is not to you.

    To those who are blasting Curt here on his blog… who are you anyways? Where are your brains? Please just step away from your testosterone-driven loyalty of your team for one second and use your own head to assess the situation here.

    Forget who wrote the report. Forget Shilling’s loyalties. Stop acting stupid and single-minded. You’re really making baseball look worse because you call yourselves its fans. Stop now. Please.

    I was born a Yankee fan, had box seats my entire childhood watching Don Mattingly in awe from about 30 feet away. I have followed them religiously into my thirties. A part of me died in 2004 because one piece of magic I still wanted to believe in (the curse) was broken. I love the game. I love the history. I love everything about it.

    I do believe Curt is a fan while also being a player. Sure, he’s outspoken and no one likes to be told the way it is from someone they are supposed to hate. (Which, by the way, is soooo funny how some of you so easily defend Clemens now when you used to be the ones hating on him in his bosox days. Whatever, another stupidity for another time).

    But if you leave all of your loyalties behind for just a second, and just hear the facts of what we’ve all been shown so far, it should just make sense to you. What Curt is writing just makes sense based on HUMAN BEHAVIOR. Curt doesn’t claim to be psychic or a genius. He’s using two cents and his experience as a human being to say, “If I were not guilty at all of a serious allegation that would ruin my image in the guise of a lifetime of hard work, and someone accused me, I would do everything in my power to clear my name and make that person pay.” He’s HOPING it’s false just like the rest of us as fans. Is there really any other way of looking at it? Not to mention if you read the report and the level of detail in which the allegations are made! This ain’t just someone saying “Ummm, Roger Clemens did it, too. Oh, and Kenny, I mean Lenny. And oh yeah… Andy, too, I kinda remember something like that!” Not even close, guys.

    All I am asking of you lunatics is to calm down and use your own head to do some thinking rather than to criticize Curt for thinking for us. He’s not saying anything you shouldn’t be able to put together on your own.

    Try it. It might hurt at first, but this world will look so much clearer to you once you get used to it. Best of luck.

  350. konehead permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:57 pm

    Curt,
    I never heard of your Web site until I read your blog in today’s Austin American Statesman. Nice site…keep up the great work!
    Not sure if this has been posted in your blog or if you have given it any thought, but here goes…
    Have you adressed the issue of players that claim they are clean be willing to take a polygraph test? Seems like they would jump at the opportunity if they are really clean. From what I remember, innocently accused usually volunteer immediately to prove their innocence.
    Curt, what do you think about presenting that option to see who would comes forward??? I’d like to see you do it to see who is real and who is phony. Thank you!
    Steve in San Marcos, TX

  351. goldustf permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:58 pm

    Regarding Steroids: Which ones are “legal” to use?
    any steroid will help, speed or increase a healing process.
    Even Curt Shilling used steriods!!! Remember being on the mound
    at Fenway; blood on the sock; had gotten a cortizone (“steriod is steriod in any language”) injection…so how does one who lives in a glass house throw rocks?

    Judge one against what is true about one’s self!

    No one is perfect in this life, and mistakes can be made; good intensions are/may really be wrong.

    So Curt, take the perfection of yourself and quietly Shut up !

  352. johnnyredsox permalink
    December 20, 2007 9:58 pm

    Curt !!!!

    Very well written. I couldn’t agree more….without making any accusations or sitting in jugdement of anyone – I believe that baseball needs to move on…..those who have admitted use – should have awards stricken..period end of discussion…then regulated testing needs to be employed for everyone…..sad that a few bad apples have to ruin it – but it is the only way to move and get back to playing baseball…..

    All need to remember that actions will always speak louder than any words ever written or spoken…..also talk the talk and walk the walk…….

    thanks for your sharing your blogs…….

  353. bravesfan8 permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:01 pm

    Curt,

    Long time fan, first time blogger. Thanks for all the great memories over the years. I was nervous about writing a reply, but the longer I have thought about this whole steroid situation, I could not think of a better place than here to air out some of my feelings.

    I have always thought that using any type of illegal substance, whether to enhance performance or otherwise, is just that, ILLEGAL. Now when you get into these “gray” areas of steroids, creams, clears, powders, etc., some people think that it’s o.k., and their answers of ” I didn’t know” or “They told me it was o.k. to use” is total BS. If you (i.e. Clemens, Petite, Bonds) used something that is illegal, and DOCUMENTED as being such, then you cheated, and any records, awards, etc. should be null and void, PERIOD.

    Now if you have been accused of doing such a thing, then I feel there are only two options: 1) You should do the honorable thing and step forward and admit to it. As an athlete that gets payed ALOT of money, and that thousands of fans pay ALOT of money to see you perform, you owe it to them and yourself. Yes, you will have to deal will the fallout, but guess what, you did it to yourself. 2) Whoever is accusing you of having done such a thing should prove it. Provide documented, hard proof that it happened and thats that. Otherwise, they should leave you alone and move on, period.

    I also feel that a policy should be in place, such as mandatory drug testing, that would support my 2nd option. Step up to the plate, take the test, prove that you are not taking anything and be done with it.

    Sorry to take up so much space, hope I made my self clear.

    Merry Christmas to you and your family.

  354. jas62 permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:02 pm

    Good post and some good comments here. You need to stop beating yourself up. It’s the low man on the totem pole that holds everyone else UP……you’re a special kind of ACE. I heard Kevin Millar on XM radio last week saying this report came out at the worst possible time…he’s absolutely right. There’s never a good time for bad news but early January would have been preferable in my mind. Now can we please move on and put this behind us?
    Oh, and once you stop chasing Shonda around the house with the mistletoe, I hope you got her some SERIOUS bling this year!

    Love Ya!

    ***JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON***

  355. mannyramirez1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:03 pm

    I don’t get it! What is it will all the Schilling haters on here? This is Curt’s personal blog with HIS thoughts and opinions. Are you all so mad that some of your hero’s may have cheated and Curt dared to say anything?
    Misplaced anger much?

    The truth is the truth and Curt is calling it they way he sees it.
    What’s makes you think you know more than he does?

    You tell him to mind his own business, this is his business!

    Curt, I applaud you for posting all the replies but, please delete these a-hole comments, you’re giving them a platform to spew.

    Peace

  356. fteter permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:14 pm

    Well, I’m one of those “innocent until proven guilty” types in some sense. I do think we should give the accused players an opportunity to share their side of the story before we decide the allegations are true.

    That being said, I like what you’re writing and saying on this subject. I may not agree with all of it, but at least you’re making me think. That’s the thing about blogging. As the blogger, you have control of what we’ll talk about. You put out your opinions. I may agree or I may disagree, so I get to leave comments. It’s the intelligent “give and take” discussion that really makes a good blog. Although there are a few dummies in the crowd, overall it seems like you’ve got a good thing going here.

    Bottom line is that it’s your blog, so you get to say what you think. Even when I have a different opinion, I still think your stuff is a pretty good read. And the insider perspective is pretty special. Keep up the good work and don’t let the chuckle-heads bother you.

  357. swep1 permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:23 pm

    Curt,

    I think your points are very valid. There is no way as a fellow player or fan that you could post your thoughts on this whole matter and not be blasphemed by some out there who believe you have ulterior motives. We all would love to see ALL the players named in this report put forth the public effort to clear their names. If they can’t and we come to the point of “re-gifting” past awards, what does that really solve? I mean, does anyone actually remember who finished 2nd in the voting for the 1987 AL Cy Young? Of course not, and no one cares, they just care that their team has the best shot to win the World Series in 2008.

    This is not a simple matter of innocent till proven guilty or guilty till proven innocent. It is an issue with the source of the report and his validity to speak accurately. I’m sure that in many homes, there was a collective sigh of relief when the Mitchell report was released to all of those who were not named in this report. But…the question is a valid one, what would you or any of your fellow players do if you had been named and had no association with steroids? Would you immediately lash out in the media, or would you take a few days or weeks, especially around the holidays, to collect your thoughts, consult with your advisors, speak with your attorneys, your manager, your GM, your owner, your family and put together a well-spoken response to the accusations that could potentially destroy your career? If Clemens is guilty, if Bonds is guilty, if any of the players named are guilty, the truth will come out. The fact that he has not been more publicly adamant yet about his innocence doesn’t bother me as a fan, just so long as he fights back at some point. It’s simply too early to pass judgement. It does seem very convenient and glamorous though to be able to throw some of the biggest names in the history of the game in the report to make it read and publicized. Until then, I hope you are right, I hope that Clemens, especially, is able to clear his name and we all can believe that this guy is and will continue to be, a great role model for our kids playing baseball.

  358. nstano64 permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:25 pm

    Curt,

    Big fan of your on the field “antics”, not so much of your off the field though. How [as a fan] do I know if you “used” or not? If on the off-chance that Roger is not guilty of what has been alleged, what will your commentary be? Will you have one?

    It’s kind of easy to point out all of these things after the fact (Mitchell Report), if you were friends/teammates of some of these other guys, where were you? No blogging about exploits? No Congressional testimony?

    Come on, stick to the pitching – the ball to opposing batters, and less to pitching unsubstantiated holier-than-though commentary.

    Thanks.

  359. schristmas029 permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:27 pm

    Curt,

    So true, why would a couple of locker rats throw two potential HOF’ers just for the heck of it? Also, weren’t they both indicted for distribution? If their list is accurate, wow! All Clemens had to do is come out and say that he didn’t do it, but he waited and this led us all to believe that he was making excusses. When Andy Pettite came out and said that it was for Rehad purposes he was full of it. Didn’t you have to Rehab yourself during the past few years? Any HGH? I think the scary thing is that we dont even know the whole list. If we did then we wouldnt have been as shocked. I am a huge Giants fan and have grown up loving all that the Franchise has done, but the best thing they ever did was to support its player(Bonds) when he faced questions of using. I have always felt that something wasn’t right there, but that doesn’t change the fact that he has great Hand Eye. I think personally that they all if found guilty should have the same fate of Pete Rose. Sorry guys NO HOF.

  360. dan091565 permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:34 pm

    Curt,

    I’m sure that you don’t have the time to view every post but I wanted to take the time to thank you for your keen insight on this issue.

    There are a lot of people in our world today that are either naive or just plain stupid when it comes to effective argument. The get so caught up in how sharp someone is being in the argument that they miss the truth. In fact, this is an outgrowth of the post-modern world in which we live.

    The art of “Polemics” is a skill, developed and nurtured that is quite effective at “defending the truth against error.” You are definitely skilled in this art. I encourage you to continue to speak up, yell from the pulpit (if necessary), don’t be ashamed of it, it is your gift. Even if you have failure in your personal life…all of us have…this doesn’t exclude you from speaking the truth.

    Thank you…

  361. mimbs permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:47 pm

    I agree with everything you said. I was talking to my twin brother who pitched with you in the mid-90’s and we both agree with you. If my name came up about using PED, then in 20 minutes I would hold a press conference denying. the longer you wait, the worse it looks. If you did them just say you did and come clean. I am glad you speak your mind….more players need too….

  362. gator81 permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:47 pm

    Curt, glad to see that you’ve got the nuts to stand up and make as bold a statement as you did. If he’s clean, what’s the problem. Baseball has only to look as far as themselves to blame for the entire HGH mess. Random testing or the fear of with strong deterents should bring the sanctity back to the national pasttime.

  363. fenwayrocks permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:50 pm

    I am amazed at how many idiotic posts have been made in response to Curt’s comments. (Some of you don’t even spell his name right. It starts with “C”, not “K”.) Did someone send this link to the Yankees?? So much criticism of Curt for his OPINION. He has a right to say what he feels. He hasn’t accused Roger of cheating. He’s simply saying that Roger needs to fight back if he’s innocent and I agree. I’d be screaming bloody murder if someone accused me of this and my career and reputation were on the line for something I didn’t do. The guy who has accused Roger has nothing to gain from lying. In fact, it’s just the opposite. However, that doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth. So far, it’s an accusation, not proven fact. Eventually, the truth will come out, either as verification of the accusations against him, or proof that the guy lied. In the meantime, give Curt a break. Just because he says something you don’t agree with doesn’t make him a horrible person. This is his blog and he can say anything he wants. If he angers you so much, perhaps you shouldn’t come here anymore.

  364. jiggie permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:58 pm

    Curt, I’m not a baseball fan but I read Game of Shadows with a lot of interest. And I am furious about the steroids issue because it is SO UNFAIR to the players who didn’t use steroids. It’s like the steroids users stole all the attention, the endorsements, the big contracts, etc. away from other players. That is the shame of it. And the players’ union roadblocking steroids testing is just protecting the cheaters, not the honest guys. Disgusting. As for Roger Clemens, you are so right…if he or anyone else named in Mitchel’s report didn’t do it, then they should just due for defamation of character and that would solve it. As you rightly pointed out, Barry Bonds has never sued…what does that tell you? However, Bo Jackson was alleged to have used steroids by a California newspaper and he turned around immediately and sued and guess what?…he got an apology from the newspaper. So why isn’t Barry suing? Why isn’t Roger suing? Come on…we know very well the answer to that question and those who continue to sing the “give them the benefit of the doubt” are really denying what they really think is true. Sure, if you have a smoking gun it doesn’t mean the gun was fired, but would you be surprised if it had been fired?

    Lastly, Curt, I’d like to know your opinion about Roger’s spurt in terms of his performance…does anyone start to improve their performance dramatically at that stage in life? How about your opinion on Barry’s dramatic change in appearance over time? How about his big head? Doesn’t a dramatic improvement in performance and size which is such a departure from prior experience constitute a…well, a smoking gun? I’m looking forward to hearing your opinion.

  365. zfenderguy permalink
    December 20, 2007 10:59 pm

    Couldn’t agree more. I am glad to see your rebuttal after the media decided to slant your first blog on this subject. I have been a lifelong fan of the Rocket, and of course a Red Sox fan since I was an embryo. I am in the same camp as you, as I wish that I could wake up tomorrow morning and my MLB heroes could refute these claims and we can all go back to looking up to these people with childish awe. The hardest thing about it for me is that I feel like we have all lost some innocence in the process because the sports figures we grew up watching with starry-eyed amazement now look like cardboard facades amidst this mass deflation of MLB.

  366. browns83 permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:02 pm

    Curt, you have every right to give your opinion and throw in your two pennies. Why do people discredit someone’s opinion just because they “are an ignorant player”? Yes, an ignorant player that is more of a student of the game than any ESPN analyst or Yankee fan that thinks the season starts in late September. Curt Schilling knows more about what it takes to prepare to pitch and how you hit a decline when you reach 40. Where was Roger’s decline? I thought it happened around 1997…. then something happened…

    Additionally, if anyone watched the playoffs Game 1: Beckett Game 2: Schilling. Dice-K had a mediocre ERA and was too inconsistent to be considered a reliable #2.

    How many players actually take the time to interact with fans on such a wide scale on a daily basis for FREE? Answer: 1.

    Start your own blog called “ignorantyankeefan.com” and I’ll make sure I take the time to read it… stop wasting everyone else’s time.

  367. gwv5903 permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:05 pm

    Curt,

    You remind me of the character (doctor) Alec Baldwin played in the movie Malice, you think you are GOD, you have that GOD Complex, interesting how so many call these players cheaters, I wonder if they are under the same complex as you????

    The court of public opinion can be wrong, very wrong, and it can be very right as well, in this case we will probably never know. Isn’t it ironic that no Boston players were named?? Pretty biased towards the Yankee’s, and I am not a fan of either team, just of the game. There is not a better game than baseball IMHO.

    Your motives though are obvious, all the players who take your approach are only propping themselves up, where were your opinions 10, 15 years ago????

    Schilling, I have seen you take the high road several times, this time though, you should have kept your opinions to yourself and the Mitchell Report should have kept the names out of it, if they really want results, do serious testing from this point forward, quit pointing fingers and making ALLEGATIONS with out PROOF!!! McNamee can testify in court and again it will be his word against Clemens, testing is the only way to know the truth.

    I believe this path that MLB is on will do more harm for the game than good…….your opinion is just one perfect example of it.

  368. theillien permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:07 pm

    @dp1234 (comment #123):

    If you find Curt to be such an idiot why do you bother reading his posts?

  369. dlbinspg permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:09 pm

    I’ve been a fan in NY, and as a fan, I want to see the people accused of using steroids, especially Clemens to be exonerated. If Clemens can find a way to prove he hasn’t used any PED’s, that would be great. However, considering that its a lot more difficult to prove innocence, i find it a lofty goal, but not a likely one. The only thing Clemens can do is prove that no one has proof of steroid use.

    By the way, despite being a lifelong Yankee fan, or because of it, I’d consider you to be number 3 or 4 out of the guys you mentioned, depending on if Clemens did use steroids.

  370. theillien permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:10 pm

    @crosetti2 (comment #105):

    From what I’ve seen, Curt doesn’t reply to comments individually but instead, uses the same method used with the current post. In other words, he writes his responses as all-encompassing blog posts intended to address the comments as a whole.

  371. waym permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:13 pm

    I’ve read just a few posts and thought I would chime in with some intelligent discussion. Curt, I think your a great pitcher, and in a perfect even-handed (level playing field) world, well who knows. Steroids and HGH can make average players great and great players superhuman. But it appears to me that most of your readers who have responded are not capable of having an intelligent debate. So I’ll leave it at that.

  372. frange23 permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:18 pm

    It truely does stink that Roger may have used Performance Enhancing Drugs. The only issue I have with taking awards back is that hitters were taking them as well. That doesn’t make it right by any standard, but it does make it harder based on the arguement that hitters did it as well. I know its hear-say evidence against Clemens, but it seems pretty damning based on what I read in the actual report, and the testimony linked in your latest entry. I agree with you. SHOW US PROOF YOU DIDNT DO IT ROCKET!! As a former Collegiate player, I know many kids who chose to juice based on the influence of the big leaguers who did. Anybody who thinks big leaguers do not influence young men aged 16-22 isn’t noticing how much you guys are idolized. The worst part of this is that every big leaguer’s career has been tarnished in the eyes of the public. Honestly, I blame the owners and the union. What was President Bush doing when he owned the Rangers when Conseco, Palmeiro, and other known juice-monkeys were on his team?? The whole issue is screwed up from the top down. The last thing I’ll say Curt, is that I believe you that your career has been free of PED’s. You don’t seem like you would be dumb enough to pull a “Palmeiro” and be embarassed soon after. I hope the Hall of Fame voters who had ANY doubt about putting you in (which I feel you’ve earned already), REALLY think about your playoff record, your championships, and the 3,000 K’s to do the right thing and place your plaque in Cooperstown. See you at Spring Training during spring break..Good Luck!!

  373. mwbarnes32 permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:25 pm

    Curt,

    I am compelled to write given the short history of the steroids era in baseball. As a fan, I can only look at the period since the late 80’s, the bash (roid) brothers, into the 94 strike and the fantastic recovery of baseball post strike (mostly due to the march to break 61 in in 1998) as a period of complete greed. $$$$$$$

    It all starts at the top and Bud Selig owns the ultimate responsibility. In 1991 Fay Vincent sent a memo to MLB team and the Players Union “The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel is strictly prohibited … This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs … including steroids.”.

    It was important to Fay in 1991, at a time when steroids allegedly just touched the surface of baseball. It was the type of leadership the game of baseball needed and deserved. Under Selig we have seen some good (wild card/inter-league play), but the steroid legacy will haunt him the rest of his life. Selig resided over the largest economic period of growth for baseball. Players and owners alike have made a lot of money….the genesis being the march to the single season home run record…..Big Mac/Sammy Sosa $$$$$$

    A matter of perspective…….Steroids were not policed by baseball………..

    For the players (especially the one’s that were/are on the bubble), steroids offered them the competitive advantage to accomplish one thing, the big contract. I see that, friends of mine used steroids to only fall short in their quest. But ask any one of them, 3 million dollar contact, For any person with an opportunity to make millions taking steroids may afford them the opportunity and depending on your perspective, a choice many might make. $$$$$

    Other players that would use steroids could lengthen careers that would maybe would not have lasted as long. More money again…..if you can increase or maintain productivity……..that equals more dollar signs $$$$$

    The elite players, again lengthen careers, make ridiculous amounts of money and for some to create a legacy that would transcend time. Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire……..elite athletes all linked to steroids now……all with amazing statistics…..especially late in their careers. CRAZY $$$$$

    We can only look back and be compelled to see greed as the ultimate component of the steroid era in baseball. Baseball had the opportunity to put the best foot forward and (attempt) to rid the game of the cheaters. Baseball will always have their share, but never as prominent as it has been for the last decade in baseball.

    It took an act of congress for baseball to do anything compelling about steroids. In my opinion, baseball is guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion. Bud is the ultimate owner (pun intended) and for baseball to move forward, his resignation should be tendered.

  374. ampinoy13 permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:38 pm

    Curt:

    Let me throw out a couple of things to chew on.

    1. While right now, the Mitchell report is front page news, 20 years from now will people really care.

    In 1990 or 91, before he died, former Raider Lyle Alzado blamed steroids for his cancer that had eaten at his 255 lb frame to a meager 130. Those athletes that have used steroids or HGH have not paid attention to the Lyle Alzados and Mike Websters of the world. Those who do not pay attention to history are bound to repeat it.

    2. Regarding the Hall of Fame voting, the BWAA Hall of Fame guidelines speak about qualifications for Hall enshrinement. Among those is a paragraph that says, in effect, that a player must be a “credit” to the game. A look at those in the Hall says something completely different. Some like Mickey Mantle were alcoholics, some like Wade Boggs committed adultery on a regular basis, some like Ty Cobb and many that had to play against Jackie Robinson were devout racists, and BABE RUTH regularly visited speakeasys to drink during prohibition…therefore committing a federal crime. However currently only nine players are banned from being considered for the Hall of Fame; the eight White Sox players from 1919 and Pete Rose.

    We have no idea how many players were high on grass or uppers in the 1960s and 1970s. And didn’t David Wells say he was drunk when he threw his perfect game for the Yankees? Additionally nowhere does it say that steroids and HGH improves a player’s hand-eye coordination; you still need to see the ball and put the bat in the right spot to hit the ball.

    In the final review, those men accused (ACCUSED, not convicted) of steroid use will or will not be put in the Hall based on what they did between the lines.

  375. myhkel permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:50 pm

    The truly tragic thing about this whole PED situation, which very few have addressed or commented on in their responses to Curt’s post, is the impact on the young people who look up to these MLB players, whether they be fans or hopeful/future players themselves. What kind of message has been sent to them? Talent will get you into the league, but steroids or other PED’s will get you into the record books or Hall of Fame! Or to take that further than baseball, hard work will get you close, but cheating will get you to levels you never imagined in your career. McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, Petit all unbelievable talents, and probably the most looked up to players by young people in the past 10 years and unfortunately all suspected, and some admitted steriod or PED users. As for the suspected, anyone who has any sense about them will realize that the human body doesn’t ‘grow’ like their’s has in their mid 30’s. It just doesn’t happen! That is indisputable.

    Baseball, the “institution” and players, has always, always been the one thing that young kids, and grown-ups for that matter, have always held dear and looked up to. Unfortunately, a portion of our culture that we always thought, or atleast hoped would stay clean has not. It has fell prey to the same pit falls that society in large has fallen to. Is that totally unexpected, no, but disappointing, most assuredly.

  376. vegas17 permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:51 pm

    I feel whats done is done. I am a fan. We all cant ignore the fact that we helped make baseball a 6 billion dollar a year monster. We bought the tickets and took our kids to a game, we ate the hot dogs, we wore the jerseys and we pushed these athletes to get bigger better faster. The steroid era is what helped drag us fans in. The game has been played at such a high level the past 8-10 years, we got sucked in even more. The fact is, I love watching. I loved seeing Sammy and Mark. Isnt that the begining or isnt it. Who really knows? The bottom line is who really knows who and how many have used. Its time to move forward. Better testing and stronger punishment. The commish has to grow a set and act on the future. Now, hopefully, the level of play dosnt drop and we can all still see that high level of play. Oh and maybe Baseball can make it 7 billion next year.

  377. jr1573 permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:54 pm

    I read innocent til proven guilty and I am replying as a MLB fan . I am kind of discusted at the way players trainers who ever in the MLB family just turn on each other I dont know what it is? I just figure ig I am in a club or orginization I stick up for my fellow workers , brothers , ect. If they have done wrong or cheated or what ever I keep it to myself and carma takes care of the rest. The fact of the matter is innocent until proven guilty that is why we live in this great country and curt as much of the troop support you give I thought you of all people would understand that? You might not have throw rodger under the bus in your mind but, you should have known thats how people would see it. Any way just a few points stop letting the federal government push everyone around you are the stars when people of entertainment , sports ect. talk people listen no one takes a stand agianst this government anymore! Come on I read that silly report ! Did you? Witch hunt from what 10 years ago to try and discredit people! With no proof but check stubs and hearsay and I guarentee they missed about another 100 players they gave out the first hundred to satisfy those morons a couple of big names and they were happy. Wich they would have probably never got if they didnt put the squeeze on the trainers. Hell if the federal government came nocking on my door telling me they were going to ruin my life LOL I might give them your name anything they want to hear. But I am just one small individual you are a strong orginization with the best lawyers money can buy and probably the strongest union out there. I dont know as a player but as a fan I am still going to watch baseball from march till october no matter who did what. For the same reason some players still play for “the love of the game!” Not for the love of money! One more thing then im done, if you realy think about it baseball would not be what it is today if it wasent for that steroid era! People were still mad about the strike and it took that great year of homeruns between 2 players who were well probably taking steroids? So if you think that way you know things could be alot diffrent right now! You could be playing in chicago making half the money and arod might only be making a hundred million LOL! So maybe it wasnt just as bad as every body makes it Mlb could be fighting with the NHL for tv ratings. How bad would that be!O.K. im off my soap dish I would be curious what your thoughts are.

  378. baseballnh permalink
    December 20, 2007 11:58 pm

    PED’s are not just about anabolic steroids and HGH. Amphetamines are also a huge part of it. Right Curt?

  379. billsactown permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:01 am

    Curtis M. couldn’t be more RIGHT. As a life long Red Sox fan – got to enjoy Ted Williams, boo the 1961 New York Yankees (arguably one of the best teams ever assembled), watched the Red Sox management trade away young, talented pitchers like Curtis M. Schilling for has-beens like Mike Boddicker (2+ seasons & done), anguished over Red Sox managerial decisions and never heard of a “curse” until Dan Shaunnessey over-heard a NY Post Reporter utter the words and thought he could sell a book. Curt Schilling has to be the best thing that’s ever happened to the Red Sox in my lifetime (OK, David Ortiz, Manny & Tek certainly contributed along with closers Foulke & Jon Papelbon & others). For the younger guys – listen to him; he makes sense.

    Every Red Sox fan wanted Roger Clemens to remain with the team after 1996 – his preceding seasons were 11-14, 9-7, 10-5 and 10-13 for a not-to-stellar 40-39 over four seasons. A “tired arm” came up every August and was Dan DuQuette’s reason for a short term, reasonable contract. But, Dan DQ lost to Toronto which offered longer term & mega-bucks. In 1997 & ’98 Clemens was 21-7 and 20-6 at age 35 & 36. YIKES! If he could do that then, why didn’t he do that as a Red Sox player – in his contract year – instead of having his second losing season? Well, kids … it seems that more steroid-HGH cocktails equated to more money. No longer did a player need to retire when he lost his skills, he “took one for the team” (so to speak). But, no one talked … it was illegal in the USA and no one wanted to see the starting pitcher get hauled off to jail in the 4th inning.

    Could the Red Sox have been that bad in judging Clemens when he brought them to the World Series in 1986? Could the Red Sox have been that disloyal to a hero? Could the Red Sox survive if their “jewel” succeeded on another team? Especially after two losing seasons – one in the contract year. The Red Sox offered a contract; it was rejected. For money. So now loyal Red Sox fans (and any clear thinking baseball fan) needs to ask, “What was Clemens thinking in 1996?” And, “Was he tanking it because he thought he could get more money & more love from Toronto fans than Red Sox fans?” The clear thinking HUMAN … and this is where you need to look inward … is “Are you outta your MIND?”

    I’m not as excited about the four Cy Young Awards after 1996 as I am about Roger Clemens aiding the NYY’s run to the World Series. But there is a clear line for ballplayers past-their-prime improving performance for no reason – for Clemens it is 1997; for Bonds its 2000 where at age 36 he hit more HR’s than any other previous year; 2001 he hit 73 HR’s. Go figure!?! Curt Schilling has earned all of those 216 wins with decent ERA’s but none as grossly outrageous as Clemens’ 1.87 at age 43. Clemens “best” season may have been 21-6, 1.93 ERA in 1990 with the Red Sox (he turned age 28 in August that season; prime playing age … amazing!) Clemens was a very good pitcher in his PRIME.

    Generation X’s may recall seeing some “normal” players but Gen Y’s seem to know nothing except Home Run Derby. Baseball is as much a “strategy game” as it is “power.” When played correctly, like you saw the 2007 World Champion Boston Red Sox do this season, you see a mix of RBI’s from base hits, stolen bases, base running, etc. as well as HR’s. And defense! It’s elegant; it’s exciting; it’s fair – the better team wins. And the winning team should eat the same hot dogs as Carl Yastrzemski, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Willie Mays or Ralph Kiner that came before them.

    Mainstream America was introduced to “steroids” by the Germany Women’s Olympic Team – not a pretty sight. My first suspicion of steroids in baseball was when a 2B hit 43 HR’s – that never happened before. Confirmation of steroids on a wide scale came in the 1980’s with a telltale sign of 480 foot HR’s – regularly. Well, the normal person thinks, “If that is the norm, why are the fences 330 or less down the foul lines and 400 feet in CF?” And, “Why did NYY move the fences in when they occasionally remodeled (like 1976)?” This year, with testing, we saw some HR’s drop in just over the fences – sure, that might be a tightly wrapped, quality controlled ball manufactured to standards slightly different than Yastrzemski started with in his career. But, that’s not 40% further than the fence, either!

    In the face of factual data – pure statistics – could a normal person conclude that this is the only generation that improves with age and heals from injuries that caused players to retire in generations earlier? It must be terrible to compete against this unfair advantage – I don’t blame Curt Schilling for feeling the way he does. His point includes retiring from the game if “you don’t have it.” And, there is a distinctive line in statistics for 100-years as to why players retire. Ask Hank Aaron – the greatest HR hitter of All Time (still) – and look at what else he did. But there was decline related to age. Or just take a look at yourself – you played, competed at your highest level and then finished with slow-pitch softball in some industrial league … then you just didn’t play because you declined, it hurt and you were getting older.

    Both Joe DiMaggio & Mickey Mantle declined in their productivity and retired at age 37 – betcha they wanted to continue their career if they had HGH.

  380. baseballnh permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:06 am

    I am speaking from a vantage point of a player who has never in his life ingested HGH or steroids to enhance performance. I don’t cringe to admit to something that’s true and I have not done.
    The above was written by you Curt. Have you ever ingested amphetamines to enhance your game?

  381. someguy10 permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:11 am

    After reading some of the comments, I have to wonder if some of these people even read a word of the original post before they hit caps lock and dish out the insults.

    I just want to say thank you for putting up with all the abuse and continuing to give your honest opinon. I, for one, enjoy reading it.

  382. tomfoolery8 permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:12 am

    Curt,

    Thanks for your candor and for your tremendous performances in the playoffs. They were a joy to watch as a Red Sox fan. I can’t believe the kind of responses and comments that have been posted here — if people really can’t stand to listen to what you have to say, then why would they take the time to read your blog and the time to post a response at all? That just shows their stupidity. Keep on writing whatever you want to; that’s from the First Amendment. Vote for whomever you like the best.

    My question is this: whenever a Red Sox player is questioned in regard to steroid use or other exploits, Terry Francona has a habit of describing his personal observations from the showers (i.e. “I’ve seen Youkilis in the shower, and believe me, he’s not the Greek God of anything,” or “I’ve seen Papi in the shower, and the only thing that he’s on is donuts, maybe.”). Why is Tito obsessed with you guys in the shower? Inside joke?

    Thanks for your time

  383. nails4 permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:19 am

    It was a very low thing to do on your part to open your mouth on this issue in the way that you did it. From what I’ve heard, Clemens did have an impact on how you yourself pitch and your workout regime, and to go and bash him right away, (not saying that if he did use steroids that this are a good thing, it is very bad) is a low blow. He is part of the baseball player’s union, he is a colleague of yours. You have no right to judge him publicly. Do it at home in your own free time. Your blog should not be on espn every day. This entire report shouldn’t be front page of every newspaper either especially when we are giving billions more to Bush to waste on the Iraqi War.

  384. shibe1231 permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:28 am

    I can’t believe the attacks and nasty comments. I too agree anyone who is accused of using any of the performance enhancements should do everything to clear his name. I also understand, that its not best to just have a knee jerk reaction, contact the media, then vent all of your anger and say things you may later regret. In this case, I think it was best for Clemens to have a prepared statement after consulting with his lawyer. I myself will have more of an opinion if Clemens is guilty or not, when he holds his hand up in front of congress and denies usage. I’m sure he’s well aware of the possibility of purgery charges and/or obstruction of justice charges he would be liable for if his testemony were false. I find it real hard to accept the accusations of a criminal looking for a light sentence, but I also can’t help believing that there is plenty of reasons for Clemens to deny the accusations against him. He has alot to lose.

  385. puck028 permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:02 am

    I can’t help but ask myself where Pete Rose stands after all of this. Rose’s offense doesn’t even compare to what these guys are doing. They’re flat-out cheating to improve their stats, and most likely even those who have admitted using steroids will not be banned for life from baseball or the HOF.

    On a sidenote, for those knocking Curt because he hasn’t performed the way Roger has, don’t you think that may be because Curt hasn’t used and Roger has? I’m not jumping to any conclusions, but if the Roger discussion in the Mitchell report is accurate, this would certainly be the case. And just think about how many other pitchers who were naturally gifted Roger overshadowed. Such crap.

  386. yanksrdaclassofbball permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:11 am

    just read an interesting story on MLB.com about a LATimes story from 06 about the Jason Grimsley report. The story falsely stated that Clemens and Pettitte were named in it and apparently they were not. According to the story, the LA times is going to be printing a correction to the story. See, you cant always rush to judgement.

    Couple of other thoughts…
    over the last two days this issue has been hotly contested on this blog. As far as the Mitchell report, it sounds more like the Warren Report.

    Also, the Patriots were CAUGHT cheating, should their amazing season be forfeited?

    Curt, what you don’t know would fill a book. Oh and I think you should give back your half of the 2001 WS MVP award. After all, Soriano tagged one of your meatballs in the eighth or ninth inning, but if it weren’t for Mariano Rivera blowing the save, you dont get your co-MVP or WS ring. All you did that night was buckle under the pressure, MR Overrated!

  387. fullon permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:11 am

    Hey Curt,

    How about you post a blog explaining exactly how it is that Roger or I don’t know lets say you or anyone else could as you say “prove” that somebody did not or for that matter did stick a needle in his rear in 2001. Roger’s word against the guy’s. It is not possible for him to prove he is innocent. After all he can not say he did not go to that stadium he worked there. This fan here who also used to be a big fan of yours (it is now dwindling) thinks that maybe you say all these things because you want 7 Cy Young Awards. I think that the veracity of the Mitchell Report needs to be as throughly tested as all the ball players urine, hair, blood, etc. In the meantime you you sound like a Shrill Schill and a diminsihing old star on the fade.

  388. brlonghorn permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:12 am

    Curt –

    I have as much, or more, respect for you than any other player in MLB. I could write a book acknowledging your commitment, dedication, and passion to the game I love, not to mention your Hall of Fame accolades. My disappointment with your choice of comments regarding Roger Clemen’s current situation stems not from what you said, but why you chose to say it. Thousands upon thousands of people have voiced their opinion, but I expected more from a man I have the upmost respect for. It matters not whether I agree or disagree with your opinion, and I don’t refute the fact that you have every right to state that opinion; however, I expected more from you. I understand your relationship, as you describe it, with Roger. But that only makes it harder for me to understand why you would choose to make public your opinion at this time. Out of respect for the man, using your words, that is the greatest pitcher of all time, but more importantly a man that has a right to defend himself, I can’t believe you didn’t choose to give him the time to defend himself before making comments that you should have known would make national headlines. I had the honor of shaking your hand once, and I’ve had the honor of shaking Roger’s hand, and I cherish both of those moments. I expected more from a man in your position, and I’m confident Roger did as well. Lies or truth, that is to be determined; but how would you feel had your name shown up on the Mitchell report? What would your expectations be from your peers?

    A devoted fan

  389. westhill2 permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:21 am

    I agree with Curt that any major league baseball player guilty of taking an illegal substance that could enhance performance should lose any awards won during any years that player took the illegal substance. My background is in public education. As a high school principal, for excample, if a student was deemed to be the valedictorian of the graduating class and it was determined that the student cheated on a test that helped him/her become the valedictorian then that student would be stripped of the title because he/she didn’t earn or deserve it. That same standard is applied in many other instances. For example, if you pass a test to help get a professional liscense, like one for a lawyer of Doctor, and it’s determined you cheated on the qualifying exam, you lose the liscence. Why should you be allowed to keep it? What’s the defense? There is none that stands up.

  390. supercath11 permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:21 am

    Hi from Montréal, M Schilling, always been a fan of yours, I admire your courage to face such obstacles, as the problems that exist in baseball right now. I wonder where these products will lead our kids to. I know that in Montréal, with the loss of our team, the number of fans is already skydiving. I think it’s very sad, but we see that drug problem in every sport nowadays. It’s killing sports.

    BTW, you might not remember this, but 8 years ago, your then team, the Philadelphia Phillies, rented the theater I was working in, Odeon, all to yourselves, to watch the Star Wars movie. I will always remember your kindness and how humble you were.

    I was then a pitching on a all boys organized team, being the only woman. I was throwing 81 MPH balls, and had an ERA of 1.20….that wasn’t enough for the scouts. We are not well surrounded here in Canada. I hope that changes someday. Who knows.
    Anyways, hope you read this, just wanted to share this with you.
    Thanks again Pitcher!!!

    Catherine Bourgoin

  391. billyho412 permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:43 am

    For disclosure purposes I will state that I am a Yankees fan, though I have never been a big fan of Roger. I always felt like he came to the Yankees to ride the wagon and get a ring because he was unable to put his team over the top elsewhere. Unlike Mr. Schilling who went to a desperate franchise to bring a championship to their town and delivered (twice). Bravo.

    That said, Mr. Schilling, I believe you, and anyone else calling on people named in the Mitchell report to “fess” up are hypocrites. You testified before Congress but did not tell all that you know. You stated that you have never seen anyone inject drugs so you wouldn’t throw out any names. First of all, you have made headlines (in New York anyway) by mentioning Alex Rodriguez’s name. Secondly, you have played your entire career in the steroids era and have played on teams that were clearly stacked with steroid users (90’s Phillies) and others who are highly suspect (Dbacks, Sox). One could argue that you benefited from the steroid use of others in the form of run support. You know of prominent players not named in the Mitchell report who are users, even players in your current clubhouse. If you are going to say that you have never seen a teammate pop a pill, purchase a PED, have them admit to using, and/or overhear them talking about using in over 19 years in the big leagues then you are a bigger liar than Roger Clemens.

    You can say you did not witness the act but you have as much evidence or more than Mitchell did in most cases to name names. You probably also know of several clubhouse employees/ trainers who have been more than willing to supply PEDs over the years (since you have played on 5 teams).

    As far as suing someone for libel or slander it is not as easy as you may think. If I were to accuse you of being a PED user and I believed it to be true (even if it wasn’t) then I would not be guilty of anything. I would have to make the statements knowing they were false in order to be found guilty. In your case I might submit “reasons” why I made the charge (such as a larger body type, a long and successsful career, a noticeable spike in effectiveness late in your career, etc.) and say it compares somewhat to others that have been named. For this reason, Mitchell cannot be sued for what he published in his report. McNamee could be sued but it would be very difficult to get the charges to stick.

  392. padsfan permalink
    December 21, 2007 3:12 am

    Well as I am a baseball fan and player since the age of 4 (now 18) I truly was glad to see that your name such as Tony Gwynn and Jake Peavy (personal favorites) and other great players (especially pitchers as I am one) names were not on the list. Senator Mitchell and his crew did their homework and hopefully without mistakes were able to weed out the wrong doers. Unfortunetly they didn’t get everyone as this pertains to at least 1 player that I know of. I just wish that we knew who did it to try and recover from injury and who used it to cheat. Players such as Brian Roberts, as you stated, have worked very hard in their careers and no offense to Brian but someone that small can not rely on cheating to get into the pros. Coaches would rather take someone who works their butt off compared to a lazy piece of crap. The unfortunete part is that with such high profile players on this list I truly believe baseball will be looked at as “tainted” for years to come which is truly depressing. As with Roger Clemens arguably being the biggest name on there… I’m sorry when I say this because I respect his accomplistments but in my eyes he’s guilty unless proven innocent and by all means I would love to be proven wrong.

    And Curt thank you for having this sight. I actually just found it tonight (12:00 am) but am glad to see a clean, legit, accomplished, and respected man as yourself taking a stand. In my eyes a HOF 1st ballot.

    My hope is that from all this kids will stop from even looking into the possibility of PED’s and finally rid all sports of this “widespread sickness” and just get down to the nose in the dirst mentality.

  393. Tom Field permalink
    December 21, 2007 5:04 am

    Curt:

    Thanks for taking the opportunity to speak your mind on such a controversial topic — especially when you know you’re going to be slammed by so many people. Just know that some of us do appreciate the insider’s perspective, and we respect your opinion and the forum in which you express it. Don’t let the yahoos get you down.

    I mean, do you read every word of every post you allow on the site? Lord, but that could take the “merry” out of “Christmas” real fast!

    By the way, let me echo your support for George Mitchell. He was my Senator from Maine when I lived there, I’ve met the man, and I’ve got a great deal of respect for him and his accomplishments. I do think his record speaks for itself and that he’s a man of integrity. To his critics I say: If you’re going after Mitchell, it’s because you can’t find any faults in his findings.

    So, let’s look ahead, Curt. The 2008 season starts in roughly three months. What do MLB and the players have to do starting *now* to repair any damage done by the Mitchell Report?

    Happy Holidays, and thanks for continuing to fuel this forum.

    best,

    Tom

  394. flogbishop permalink
    December 21, 2007 5:36 am

    this goes out to the trolls:

    1. Blogs = opinions
    2. Opinions ≠ Ego
    3. Opinions ≠ Jealousy
    4. Read the whole blog entry before citing it (incorrectly) in your replies.
    5. Back to the jealousy thing: I believe that trolls are the pinnacle of jealousy since they only try to bring you down to the troll level because they cannot achieve anything lofty themselves thus they have jealousy overload and troll away anonymously.
    6. Watch the caps lock button (you know who u are)
    7. And in conclusion having a personal blog means you write your opinions ( I understand, trolls, this is hard to comprehend). Sometimes an opinion you do not agree with may exist ( I understand, again trolls, for you this is hard to believe) if this occurs please try to understand the position before becoming instantly afraid and write in caps and frequently misspelled words (funny this does have a spell checker embedded).
    8. And finally look up the words: obnoxious, ego, jealousy, bloviate, troll. you (trolls) will be flabbergasted (look that up too) with the real definitions of the words you throw around and use in totally out of context.
    9. oh ya i forgot one thing: don’t tell people who you disagree with to stop having opinions it can only turn into no opinions will be allowed for anyone and even a troll can understand thats no good.

  395. December 21, 2007 5:37 am

    The only think I’m more concerned with is dragging down the name of someone who did not cheat. This whole thing is beginning to feel like the 1950’s McCarthy trials.

    All I’m saying is that we should have prof beyond reasonable doubt before we start hanging the witches…I mean communist…I mean terrorist…i mean steroid users.

    For what it’s worth, I never accused Curt of accusing anyone of anything. I get that this is his blog and what’s written here is opinion.

    -Diane.

  396. jhjake1 permalink
    December 21, 2007 5:58 am

    Thank you for being so frank in your latest blog about Roger Clemens.
    I would also like to say that on behalf of fellow Yankee fans, no one believes that Mitchell was out to get the Yankees. It just so happens that the 2 men who spoke happened to be New York based. If these 2 men were in Chicago, you can bet that there would be a lot of Cubs and White Sox on the list. The sad thing is that every city probably has trainers like these, which would drive the steroid list up to somewhere between 1000 – 2000 names.
    As for Clemens, you mentioned that his total should be 192 wins. I have to disagree with you. If you look closely at his career, it seems that he began steroids in his last year in Boston.
    Here are his stats, the last 4 years in Boston:

    Year Age W L IP ERA
    1993 30 11 14 191.7 4.46
    1994 31 9 7 170.7 2.85
    1995 32 10 5 140.0 4.18
    1996 33 10 13 242.7 3.63

    We can see in what should be the 4 best years of his life, he was 40-39. So lets look at 1996, his last year in Boston. As he goes into this year, he knows he must pitch good as he will be a free agent at the end of the year. We also know that his teammate on Boston that year was…Jose Canseco. So Clemens starts the year out 0-4 and by August 11 he is 4-11. Basically he’s washed up. He’s pitching worse than ever in a year in which he is going to be a free agent. So what happens? Magic. He goes 6-2 the rest of the year and on September 18, 1996 against Detroit he strikes out 20 players. 10 years after he did this the first time. He is a completely different pitcher. So it seems that sometime in mid August of 1996 is when the steroids began.
    So in 1997 he goes to Toronto and wins the triple crown. First time in the American League since 1942.
    Year Age W L IP ERA
    1997 34 21 7 264.0 2.05
    OK, now 1998 start and Roger decides to stop taking steroids. He thinks, I’m Roger Clemens, I don’t need steroids. So by June of 1998 his record is 5-6. At this point he starts steroids again and goes 15-0 the rest of the season and ends up with a record of 20-6. By the next year he is on the Yankees and I think the Mitchell report can take over.

    As a fan when we look at the steroid generation, 3 different type of players will be suspect.
    1. Someone who’s physical appearance radically changes: ie. Barry Bonds,
    Sammy Sosa, Pudge Rodriguez
    2. Someone who has a major shift in statistics. ie Barry Bonds, You,
    Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens
    3. Someone who has ligament and soft tissue injuries; ie. Mark McGuire Jeff
    Bagwell, Bernie Williams
    You see I am holding nothing back as a Yankee fan. Bernie has not been mentioned anywhere, but sadly, I must question the shoulder injuries that he always had.
    As you see I put you on the list. You must realize that when a fan looks at your statistics they look a bit fishy. Now it is nothing at all like Bonds or Clemens, however in looking at your career there are questions.
    Up until 2001 what do we know about you? Age 34, 110-96, 3 all star teams, never won 20 games.
    Than all of a sudden beginning in 2001
    Year Age W L
    2001 34 22 6
    2002 35 23 7
    2003 36 8 9
    2004 37 21 6

    Now I know you might have some reasons for this. And I will give you the benefit of the doubt, as I can think of some reasons for the shift. But you have to realize for a 34 year old man to all of a sudden become one of the 3 best pitchers in the league, in the middle of the steroid era, we must ask.
    Now the same can be asked about Randy Johnson. He went from an allstar to an immortal.
    When someone has the best years of their life after the age 34, in the middle of the steroid are, questions must be raised.

  397. jhjake1 permalink
    December 21, 2007 6:05 am

    please post this version

    Thank you for being so frank in your latest blog about Roger Clemens.
    I would also like to say that on behalf of fellow Yankee fans, no one believes that Mitchell was out to get the Yankees. It just so happens that the 2 men who spoke happened to be New York based. If these 2 men were in Chicago, you can bet that there would be a lot of Cubs and White Sox on the list. The sad thing is that every city probably has trainers like these, which would drive the steroid list up to somewhere between 1000 – 2000 names.
    As for Clemens, you mentioned that his total should be 192 wins. I have to disagree with you. If you look closely at his career, it seems that he began steroids in his last year in Boston.
    Here are his stats, the last 4 years in Boston:

    Year Age W L IP ERA
    1993 30 11 14 191.7 4.46
    1994 31 9 7 170.7 2.85
    1995 32 10 5 140.0 4.18
    1996 33 10 13 242.7 3.63

    We can see in what should be the 4 best years of his life, he was 40-39. So lets look at 1996, his last year in Boston. As he goes into this year, he knows he must pitch good as he will be a free agent at the end of the year. We also know that his teammate on Boston that year was…Jose Canseco. So Clemens starts the year out 0-4 and by August 11 he is 4-11. Basically he’s washed up. He’s pitching worse than ever in a year in which he is going to be a free agent. So what happens? Magic. He goes 6-2 the rest of the year and on September 18, 1996 against Detroit he strikes out 20 players. 10 years after he did this the first time. He is a completely different pitcher. So it seems that sometime in mid August of 1996 is when the steroids began.
    So in 1997 he goes to Toronto and wins the triple crown. First time in the American League since 1942.
    Year Age W L IP ERA
    1997 34 21 7 264.0 2.05
    OK, now 1998 start and Roger decides to stop taking steroids. He thinks, I’m Roger Clemens, I don’t need steroids. So by June of 1998 his record is 5-6. At this point he starts steroids again and goes 15-0 the rest of the season and ends up with a record of 20-6. By the next year he is on the Yankees and I think the Mitchell report can take over.

    As a fan when we look at the steroid generation, 3 different type of players will be suspect.
    1. Someone who’s physical appearance radically changes: ie. Barry Bonds,
    Sammy Sosa, Pudge Rodriguez
    2. Someone who has a major shift in statistics. ie Barry Bonds, You,
    Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, David Ortiz
    3. Someone who has ligament and soft tissue injuries; ie. Mark McGuire Jeff
    Bagwell, Bernie Williams
    You see I am holding nothing back as a Yankee fan. Bernie has not been mentioned anywhere, but sadly, I must question the shoulder injuries that he always had.
    As you see I put you on the list. You must realize that when a fan looks at your statistics they look a bit fishy. Now it is nothing at all like Bonds or Clemens, however in looking at your career there are questions.
    Up until 2001 what do we know about you? Age 34, 110-96, 3 all star teams, never won 20 games.
    Than all of a sudden beginning in 2001
    Year Age W L
    2001 34 22 6
    2002 35 23 7
    2003 36 8 9
    2004 37 21 6

    Now I know you might have some reasons for this. And I will give you the benefit of the doubt, as I can think of some reasons for the shift. But you have to realize for a 34 year old man to all of a sudden become one of the 3 best pitchers in the league, in the middle of the steroid era, we must ask.
    Now the same can be asked about Randy Johnson. He went from an allstar to an immortal.
    When someone has the best years of their life after the age 34, in the middle of the steroid are, questions must be raised.

  398. hanthorn permalink
    December 21, 2007 7:06 am

    No Curt, You still don’t get it. Yeah, it’s your blog and your opinion. Well this is my reply and this MY opinion. Don’t tell me to go away because you don’t like my opinion. Either accept it like you tell me I should accept yours, or get rid of the reply function and run this blog like a dictator.

    That said, you still don’t get it. Someone has made an accusation against Clemmons. You said he should return his awards unless he proves he never took steroids. It just doesn’t work that way. He can’t prove he never took steroids. So, until someone proves he did, he keeps his awards. End of subject. Period. To claim that everytime someone makes an accusation against a player, that player has to assemble a legal team and prove it is false or else he loses his awards is just plain silly.

    Use your mind, Curt. I know you have one.

    P.S. I still think you are a great pitcher. I never believed you used a red sharpie on the sock. In a game 7, you’d be one of my top 5 go to guys. But please think before you write.

  399. tlang1 permalink
    December 21, 2007 7:10 am

    It’s unfortunate that we have to lose our hero’s like this.

    As sports figures you have a responsibilty to your fans to live up to the best ideals that sports are supposed to foster. If Clemens is guilty, and after reading the Mitchell report I believe he is, he has cheated the game, his fellow players, and most importantly the fans who keep the game alive.

    Have a good holiday and have a great next season.

  400. j563 permalink
    December 21, 2007 7:57 am

    Curt can you stick to Baseball..stop trying to be a Cop, a Judge, and media whore! If it were not for a NY based “Rat” then there would be hardly any dirt on any players. If the rat came from Houston ,LA or somewhere then that is where the majority of named players would come from.Take a look around your own Club House before you talk about others, remeber the Manny Alexander incident of 2000? What about Gabe Kapler…ohh yeah Steroid free huh?

  401. jamakn14 permalink
    December 21, 2007 8:09 am

    Nice bounce Curt. I don’t mean bounce as trying to kiss up or anything, I mean way to kick it back so the media doesnt continue to harrass comments or theory. I agree whole heartly in what your saying.

    I am a big SOX fan, I have the tatto to prove it. I recall sitting in my living room just after midnite the night ESPN announced Clemmer’ signed with the Blue Jays. I also remember swearing to myself that he wouldnt go to NY @ any price (Just heart breaking). I was a Sr. in high school in the summer of 1986. The same year I first got to visit Fenways. The Rocket was huge to me. I hope he can clear himself, but I am afraid that is one big hole to out dig of, even for the power of a legend. I just hope he doesnt break my heart again….

    PS. Living in NE PA, Phils were always a second fave, so I recall your signing here too!!! Happy Holidays to you, Shonda and the kids, from a big fan!

  402. buckstopshere permalink
    December 21, 2007 8:10 am

    Schill:

    A lot of these knot-heads, especially the Yankee fans just don’t get it. But that’s to be expected. Since you came on our team, things sure turned around.

    Most of the whiners here are in denial because the Mitchell Report’s Numero Uno bad crew is none other than the “Evil Empire” itself, their team.

    And here you are with those two big old World Series rings on the same hand that you beat them with, typing a blog and telling their “25 million dollar man” to stand up and be a man, “to tell the truth and shame the devil.”

    I like to think that “the old Roger Clemens” would have stood up, but maybe the drugs, while strengthening his body, weakened his soul.

    All the Best and Best of Luck

  403. jessica1959 permalink
    December 21, 2007 8:24 am

    I have read quite a few posts regarding hearsay….I’m not a lawyer….don’t even play one on tv, but I am fairly certain that in regard to Clemens, what was written in the report about him is NOT “hearsay”. The accusor(s) were actually there, hence firsthand knowledge, not hearsay. If one was to follow the logic of those screaming Clemens is being railroaded due to hearsay, then anyone who ever”eyewitnessed” a crime would be offering hearsay. I’m sure someone in the legal profession or law student can better articulate this. Or if I am wrong, please clarify. But as far as I can tell, there is no hearsay when the personal trainer testified he, himself, was the one to inject Clemens in his buttock. He wasn’t saying he heard about it from a friend of a friend of a third cousin who overhead his sister talking about a hairdresser of her old high school boyfriends’ sister’s coworker’s pizza delivery guy. Get my point?

    Happy Holidays to you and your family, Mr Shilling.

  404. buckstopshere permalink
    December 21, 2007 8:27 am

    Schill: And one more thing –

    Marion Jones, the Olympic sprinter who won five medals in Sydney (three golds and two bronze) has had them taken away. Her name has been deleted from the record books by the IOC.

    MLB needs to follow suit for the good of the game.

    If the league doesn’t take at the very least, all personal awards away, the temptation remains, the possible rewards outweigh the punishment.

    All the Best and Best of Luck

  405. offthewalll permalink
    December 21, 2007 8:34 am

    Hey Curt, Why are there people who just throw names out there ? i would like to see steroids out of all sports and why is basball the only major sport taking all the heat? Here is what i think is going to happend. The media and the mitchell report have two big stars of the game and this talk on steroids will not be gone until they are brought down.

  406. bballfan permalink
    December 21, 2007 8:38 am

    Mr. Shilling you would be better off keeping your mouth shut and your thoughts to yourself. You make yourself look ignorant. Also, if you really were the god-faring man you want people to think you are, then you wouldn’t go around passing judgement on others. You would know that God is the only one to do that. Mr Clemens has not been convicted of anything. Hearsay of a trainer looking to escape jail time has put Roger in this situation. You have not achieved the greatness of Roger Clemens. Is that why you are attacking him? People always want to knock down the those who are above them. How sad that your jealousy has caused you to lash out.

  407. billiebob permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:02 am

    Curt is probably the only baseball player with any brains, and more brains than the idiots that post on this Blog. The comments you retards put on here tend to make me think most of you are red neck hillbillies that voted for the insane terrorist Georg Bush.

    Now I can’t tell you to shutup, just like you can’t tell Curt to shutup. For most of you morons that think the usa is a free country, well it’s not. You are told manufactured news, and to get your money the news is fed to you so you will go to the boring ball park. Which brings me to another issue, baseball is frick’n boring! It’s a stupid game that not only lacks excitement but integrity. Hockey is so much better, the problem with hockey is that it’s too fast and complicated for you hillbillies to understand.

    Roger is a liar, cheat, and a scumbag. It’s true, get over it and get a life, no, wait, first get an education.

  408. December 21, 2007 9:10 am

    Curt,
    I wouldn’t necessarily say you were second man on the totem pole as far as talent goes. Not trying to blow smoke, but you are probably right up there with them. Where would Maverick be without Goose? But it is a two way street. Would they be successful had they not had a “wingman” like you to back them up? Possibly, but who really knows.Someone probably has stats to account for their careers while you were the 2nd day guy.

    The Mitchell Report is only a glimpse of what really happens in baseball. It is only a peek for the outside world to see what is, most likely, a larger problem within MLB itself. What most don’t realize is that there is probably never going to be a “cleaning up” of the sport. Too many political barriers and hands being greased to actually tackle the problem. I have always thought that baseball is the greatest game, save for the players or executives. I am positive that there are many (the majority) in the ranks that actually abide by the rules and play the game with the same passion as they had as children. Then you have those looking for an edge.

    Now, my beef with you is that you are not an Oriole to this day. My beloved Orioles have gone the way of so many organizations. I believe you would still represent the “Oriole Way”, as Cal Ripken, Sr. intended. But you had to go and be part of one of the worst trades in MLB history, didn’t you? Realizing it wasn’t your fault, I do wish you to come back to the Orioles and right this ship. Alas, many dreams never come true, but it is one I may hold onto until you retire.

    Thanks a lot,
    Wayne Fritz
    DeFoe Drums
    Nottingham, MD

  409. luluxbelle permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:12 am

    The only way to describe you, Curt, is a sour grape. You always have something negative to say about everything. There has been no proof how much/how long Clemens was on steroids (if he was at all.) I’m actually surprised I did not see your name on The Mitchell Report, considering you are OLD and probably need them to get through 2 innings. Roger

  410. cm2baker permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:12 am

    “I’ve been the 2nd man on the totem pole behind 3 of the best pitchers of my generation. Randy, Pedro and Josh.”

    I think you mean 2nd pitcher on the totem pole…because you are certainly 1st in class, at least in my book. Have a happy holiday & god bless.

  411. luluxbelle permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:13 am

    (Contiunation)
    Roger Clemens is one of the greatest pitchers of all time. You’re not. Such a stupid team. Your closers’ dog ate the final out world series ball. One word: Wow.

  412. jewdye permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:17 am

    Mr. Schilling –

    Valid points from all views…

    How would you expect anybody to clear their name? Nobody has provided any physical evidence. All athletes can get on a talk show and adamantly deny while pointing out that they never failed a drug test… Until hard evidence is available – people will believe what they want and discuss it forever. It is all pointless.

    Since it’s your blog – I will offer you a suggestion.

    Awhile back I say you giving an interview. During the interview, you started talking about the possible scenario of a clean minor league player not getting his shot on a big league roster because it was filled with a juiced player with less talent. I’d be angry if I couldn’t get work because somebody was illegally taking the job I was more qualified for.

    Couldn’t a big name athlete take up the cause for these players and file grievance with the Player’s Union?

    It has been reported that General Manager’s openly discussed players who previously had, currently were, or would use illegal methods to enhance their play — aren’t these Managers failing to provide a safe and fair work environment?

    If we are going to look back at damage done to the MLB; we should be more concerned with the lives that the use of illegal substances have damaged, and less concerned with Cy Young Awards.

    Roger can keep his awards and keep his dollars — most of us realize more to the world than trophies and US currency. Your charitable work is most gracious; and you are commended from this baseball fan. – ciao

  413. povx permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:34 am

    “I want him to find a way to make me believe he didn’t use.”

    And the rest of us want you to find a way to dig yourself in even deeper. Thanks for all your hard work in that regard.

    I’m glad the media gives you such a spotlight. It helps everyone see how totally self-absorbed you are.

    I don’t root for the Red Sox when you pitch. I root for players who play, not players who constantly spout off.

    There’s a reason the saying is “hero in the dark,” not “hero constantly in everyone’s face.” Think about it.

  414. Brad permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:43 am

    Bottom Line comes down to this: Don’t hide behind someone to try to prove your innocence. Agents and lawyers are not the people we go to see at the stadiums its YOU the player. Some players have come out and admitted to using PED’s and I applaud them for coming clean, a litle too late but better than pulling a Roger. Those players can now focus on there careers and probably finally go on with there lives having that burden lifted from them. To the other players that have either hidden behind there agents, lawyers, or whomever else, I call them cowards!!! Why would anyone want there name tarnished and tainted by this UNLESS they are truly guilty!!? Me personally I wouldn’t like to be that person, if I did it, come clean,if I didn’t do it, then come clean!!
    As far as achievements go, cheating is cheating, bottom line. To let them keep there awards is basically saying it’s ok for any player to use PED’s to get that award.
    BUT, if it wasn’t a pitcher then do you take away the world series trophy from the entire team if one person was using PEd’s during that year?? That is my dilemna; for instance take Matt Williams for instance when he was in Arizona and they won the series. Do we take away his accomplishment or the teams? He was a big assest that year for the D’backs and there championship.
    i WOULD LOVE TO HEAR cURT’S OPINION ON THIS MATTER OF mATT wILLIAMS.

    But all in all, it boils down to one phrase: Don’t be a coward and hide behind people!!!!

  415. chillywilly38 permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:48 am

    You want to get drugs out of baseball? Don’t threaten with losing awards, or hall of fame, all you are doing is threatening millionaires with losing some trophies.

    Put in place a rule that smacks the owners of a team with a fine hefty enough to make them howl when one of their players is using. If Hank Steinbrenner knew that he would lose a couple days gate, TV, merchandise, parking etc. if one of his players used, he would make sure his players were so squeaky clean you would think they had been run through a commerical clotheswashing machine. Yes, the union would object to more invasive or regular testing, but with millions if not billions at stake the owners would force the issue.

    We didn’t come to this just because players wanted to be MVP of some playoff, but also because it enhanced the bottom line. Make using stuff a financial disincentive and watch the stuff disappear.

  416. jwbarbaro permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:03 am

    LOOKS LIKE SCHILLING IS BUCKING FOR A MEDIA JOB NOW THAT HIS SKILLS ARE FADING. ALSO SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE IS JEALOUS BECAUSE HE HAS NEVER WON A CY YOUNG. HOW COME NO COMMENTS ABOUT THE OTHER PLAYERS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL AS ROGER? IF YOU ARE SO WISE HOW DOES ANYONE PROVE THEIR NOT LYING WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU FUEL THE FIRES OF PUBLIC OPINION. SOMEONE SAID HE USED AND HE SAID HE DIDN’T. WHY DOESN’T THAT SATISFY YOU? WITH FRIENDS LIKE YOU WHO NEEDS ENIMIES.

  417. yankeesforever permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:07 am

    I KEEP ON HEARING “IF YOU CHEAT YOU SHOULD BE BANNED”

    ONE QUESTION:

    IF HGH WASN’T BANNED UNTIL 2005 HOW CAN USING IT IN 2000 BE CALLED CHEATING?

    I DON’T CARE THAT EVERYONE KNEW AND/OR NOW KNOWS IT’S PERFORMANCE ENHANCING. THE POINT IS IT WASN’T AGAINST THE RULES.

    THAT’S LIKE SAYING BASEBALL OUTLAWS BATTING GLOVES CAUSE THEY FIND OUT THAT IT ADDS PADDING TO YOUR HANDS AND SUBSEQUENTLY ALLOWS YOU TO DRIVE THROUGH THE BALL AND HIT IT FURTHER. WELL THEN EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER USED A BATTING GLOVE SHOULD BE BARRED FROM BASEBALL FOR LIFE AND NEVER BE ALLOWED IN THE HALL OF FAME.

    THERE WAS NO RULE IN PLACE SO HOW CAN YOU CALL THEN RULE BREAKERS AND CHEATERS???

    IT IS MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL’S FAULT FOR NOT HAVING RULES IN PLACE TO PROTECT AGAINST THINGS LIKE THIS.

    WHY ARE PROTEIN SHAKES ALLOWED? WHY IS RED BULL ALLOWED? IT’S LOADED WITH SUGAR AND GIVES Y0OU ENERGY. ISN’T THAT PERFORMANCE ENHANCING?

    GINSENG WAS TAKEN AS A TONIC FOR THE WHOLE BODY TO CURE LETHARGY AND SEVERAL OTHER CONDITIONS. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE AN ENERGY ENHANCER. WHY IS THAT LEGAL???

    I KNOW THAT THESE EXAMPLES ARE OUTLANDISH BUT THE POINT IS STILL THE SAME.

    ALSO, PLEASE DON’T READ THIS AS SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS THESE GUYS. I PLAYED TRIPLE A BASEBALL AND WAS STUCK BEHIND ONE OF THE GUYS WHO WAS NAMED IN THE REPORT. I NEVER GOT MY CHANCE CAUSE THIS WAS USING PED’S.

    I WAS DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THESE %&$@# GUYS USING THIS STUFF. I AM NOW A SALES MANAGER IN AN ELECTRONICS COMPANY MAKING FAR LESS THEN WHAT I POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE BEEN MAKING. AM I BITTER YES. AM I SAD YES. AM I PISSED OFF YES. BUT I ALSO HAVE COME TO TERMS WITH THESE GUYS DIDN’T BREAK MLB RULES BY USING HGH THEY BROKE MORAL RULES AND CHEATED GUYS LIKE ME AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS WHO NEVER GOT THEIR SHOT BECAUSE WE HAVE ETHICS AND MORALS AND A CONSCIOUS.

    THEN AGAIN SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN WITHOUT A CONSCIOUS AND WILL NEVER FEEL GUILTY FOR BETTERING THEIR LIFE AND THE LIVES OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS BY KILLING THE HOPES AND DREAMS OF GUYS THEY HAVE NEVER MET.

    CURT YOU MIGHT CARE ABOUT THE EVERY DAY FAN BUT THESE GUYS DON’T. THEY CARE ABOUT TWO THINGS AND TWO THINGS ONLY. THEMSELVES AND THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS AND NOT IN THAT ORDER.

    “MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.”

    OH AND AS FOR PAPELBON AND THE WORLD SERIES BALL… BULL DOGS DON’T JUMP SO I CALL BULL$HIT ON THE DOG JUMPING ON THE COUNTER AND EATING THE BALL.

    I MAY HATE THE RED SOX BUT CURT, YOU HAVE ERANED AND GAINED MY RESPECT FOR THE WAY YOU SPEAK OUT. I STILL HATE YOU FOR THAT DAMN BLOODY SOCK IN 2004 BUT I’LL GET OVER IT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

    TAKE CARE.

  418. mrwills permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:07 am

    Curt,
    You talk and talk and talk, twist things, don’t try to find out the truth, back track, etc. The most amazing part of it all, people listen. Try to focus on what is good. Rember what your mom said, if you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say it. Just throw the ball like you were suppose to and keep your mouth shut. It might work….

  419. seattlesoxfan permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:20 am

    Quite simply, thank you Curt.

    Thank you for being open, honest and accessible.

    Thank you for doing this knowing that the knuckleheads will be blasting away at you with both barrels and for not giving a damn about that.

    Knowing what Roger Clemens has meant to you means that this whole stroy hits very close to home for you and I can’t imagine how difficult this has been for you. Thank you for staying consistent.

    Don’t stop speaking your mind. Don’t back down and keep on pushing.

    Thanks again for everything Curt! Can’t wait to see you pitch for the Red Sox again this year. Hope you take the mound at Safeco!

  420. cayna permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:22 am

    hey curt,
    I don’t know how many of these enteries you read, but I would just like to add my 2cents worth. we (as far as I know) still live in a free counrty and one of the rights we fight so strongly for is the freedom of speech. Everyone has a right to there opinion right or wrong. I happen to agree with yours, What I don’t understand is if some of these people on this blog are such curt/redsox haters why are they reading this blog? Personally if I don’t like someone there opinion means NOTHING to me. They have a right to it but it dosen’t matter to me. anyways please keep up the with your blog I enjoy reading it I may not always agree with what you say but I find it enjoyable. Mery Christmas and happy new year to you and yours….Amy

  421. aj1027 permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:42 am

    First of all I would like to say that Curt, you are a great pitcher and probably are going to go down as one of the greats. I am not a fan of yours, but I have a lot of respect for you. In either case, I recall that they wanted your help with the Mitchell Report and you turned it down because you wanted to stay away from it. Now that Roger Clemens, also a great pitcher, is in the spotlight, you are all over it like white on rice. Why? Jealous? It doesn’t make sense. Not to take anything away from you, Curt. You are a great pitcher and so is Roger, but to call out a fellow major league pitcher from out of nowhere is really immature. It’s like playing the blame game so you can try to look better.

    I guess all in all, my advice to you is to be respected as a person as well as a baseball player, please, mature a little. I have a lot respect for you as a ball player, but as a person, I think you may have lost it in many of us baseball fans.

  422. whiterock1 permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:55 am

    First off, I’m a Yankee fan and always have been. Secondly, I have always been a fan of Curt–hope he gets bombed when he pitches to the Yankees, of course, but wish him a great season otherwise. I am a Vietnam veteran and appreciate his support of John McCane–a true hero in every sense of the word, as well.

    That being said, you are off base on Roger Clemens–by a mile. He was accused by an individual who faced Federal charges if he didn’t tell the inquisition what they wanted to hear. That is the only ‘fact’ that is beyond refutation in this entire affair. The normal response is to keep throwing mud against the wall until the inquisitors are happy. That most of it won’t stick is not material to the process. This “sewer rat,” as I believe he was called by a Fox Sports commentator, supplied no proof, merely his say so. Andy Pettitte–as decent and honorable a man as plays pro sports in this country used HGH–when it was NOT a banned substance, and owned up to it. So that makes Roger guilty? By what, association? You have a senator in Taxachusetts who committed treason in 1971 when he gave aid and comfort to the enemies of this nation and spit in the face of the men who served with honor and courage in Southeast Asia. With the same amount of ‘proof’ the accuser has against Clemens in this case. Kerry was shown to be a liar and a cheat. But the “sewer rat” is honest and honorable?

    I don’t know if he did or didn’t take B-12, aspirin or ‘juice.’ I do know that there is NO substantive evidence against him, in any form, that would stand up in any court. Where are the checks? Where are the other witnesses? Where is anything except a scumbag’s word against the greatest pitcher of his era? And for you (Curt) to start talking about giving his awards back based on NOTHING of substance except hearsay is absurd. I have always given you credit for smarts, not just great skills. You aren’t showing it here. Roger is due the presumption of innocence unless and until there is a substantive preponderance of evidence against him. As of now, the only evidence that has come to surface except the Mitchell report–a little short on Red Sox, but I guess they are like Hanoi John to their director, Mitchell–above reproach, is exactly zero, as the Grimsley lies the LA Times wrote–and retracted, show. You always were a player following the “don’t holler unless it hurts” philosophy. Try a little of that now, just substitute ‘proves’ for “hurt.”

    Mike
    Schriever AFB, CO

  423. bkbell permalink
    December 21, 2007 11:03 am

    Looking over your 1993 Phillies and several names have been rumured or in one way or anther been linked to PED. So why in the world since you like blowing your whistle so much did you not do it when it was your team?

    You never had the GUTS to call out your own teamates, why because they would have pointed you out too?

    —The List—
    Darren Daulton (Tough)
    Dave Hollins (Hard nosed)
    Lenny Dykstra (Hard nosed player, played the game the right way)
    Mariano Duncan
    Pete Incaviglia (OMG This guy was built like a frickin TREE)
    Wes Chamberlain (he fell on the face of the earth)
    Danny Jackson (Did your see how this guy was built)
    Tommy Greene
    Mitch Williams (Your BUDDY)

  424. mrbehave permalink
    December 21, 2007 11:03 am

    Curt, first let me say you are one of my all time favorite MLB players. Not only for what you have done in your career, in your personal life, and for my home team Red Sox, but for how you have conducted yourself in the process of accomplishing it. I’m astonished at your continual ability to back up everything you say. Not many individuals, profesional athletes or otherwise, can say they have done that. The frosting on the cake for me being an admirer of yours, was your last contract signing and your reasons for doing it. Bravo!!

    As for the PED situation… If I were Roger, and I were innocent , I would call you and ask your advice on what to do. I suspect the conversation would go something like this…

    ———————————-

    RC: Curt, hi its Roger. Listen, I heard about and read what you said about my situation and I have to tell you, I am innocent. This guy is lying about me using because he has it in for me for some unknown reason. So, I ask you Curt, what would you do if you were in my shoes?

    CS: Well Roger, I want to believe you, I really do. But why haven’t you come out yourself and denied the charges via a press conference instead of leaving it to your agent to do?

    RC: I guess I was so much in shock I didn’t know how to respond. I didn’t do it, but I have no way of proving it. It’s this dirtball’s word against mine.

    CS: The evidence seems to be stacked against you Rog. Your best buddy in baseball and the player you shared this same trainer with, admitted to using HGH. Did you know Andy was using? Also, the size of your head seems to have grown dramatically over the last few years, and although ego is said to be a reason for it, I can tell your firsthand, my head size hasn’t changed since my teenage years, however, they say long term steroid use can increase the size of ones noggin.

    RC: First, I had no idea Andy tried HGH, and quite honestly I could not believe my ears when I heard his statement. I guess I could understand being tempted given his wanting to come back from injury faster, but I would not and did not do the same. Never during my professional career, and never in life! As for my head, I can’t explain why people think it has grown. Afterall, I’m always wearing a cap!

    CS: Gosh Roger, you have to prove your innocence. You have to make a case in public why fans should believe you and not him.

    RC: Curt, I don’t know where to start. You are the master of words and phrases, help me out here…

    CS: Roger, let me give it some thought and I’ll get back to you. In the meantime, enjoy your family, pray a lot, and get a good lawyer!

    ————————-

    Ok, so Curt, given the above hypothetical conversation, and the fact that it might go something like that. What would yoru advice be taking into consideration that there may be no way to prove his innocence beyond the “he said”, “she said” claim?

    Best,

    Eric from Danvers

  425. soxpinkpony permalink
    December 21, 2007 11:06 am

    Hey Curt,

    What began as a post on here turned into a blogging of my own.

    If you have time, I’d be flattered if you would check it out:

    http://soxpinkpony.wordpress.com.

    Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion with all of us!

    Merry Christmas!

  426. purdueturfguy permalink
    December 21, 2007 11:27 am

    I am a newbie to this site after reading your comments on a sports article about the rocket. This is just a great site. I can’t agree with you more on this and hope that more major leaguers come out and reveal the guys that push these drugs and get them before congress. The players are the ones to go after first for the attention, but players need to take it upon themselves (the guys that don’t juice) to stop covering for the juicers. They have for years and its time to step up and reveal some of these guys that are pushing roids in the majors and minors. If I were a pro player at any level I would be pretty upset to see a guy taking HGH or PEDs and beating me out for a spot that I deserve. Do you think anyone user or not will step up as a player and start a campaign to rid the sport of this terrible plague? Such a great game should not have to suffer any longer.

  427. whiterock1 permalink
    December 21, 2007 11:30 am

    Duh–teach me to type too fast, I of course know the Senator’s name is McCain, not McCane–although I like Bruce Willis, too.

    Mike

  428. wilk permalink
    December 21, 2007 11:50 am

    Wow soo much hostility. I don’t think people understand this is Kurts website and he can post anything he wishes. He has his views and just like everyone else they have the right to comment but if you feel the need to bash and make no sense whatsoever why come here to read in the first place? Maybe some anger management or a vacation would help some people.

  429. December 21, 2007 11:53 am

    Like I said when I read your first post…this report will ruin guys lives, not just their careers. My hope is that they don’t do anything, and Roger doesn’t have to answer questions. I figure he will though. He had the finances and the know how to know what he’s doing though. Palmiero was a great player, and when he tested positive, his playing suffered, and he retired because he was continuously booed out of Baltimore.

    I worry for the kids that look up to you guys Curt. The children that watch Tejada and want to be like him. That feel that their lives will be forever changed if they can follow in the Rocket’s footsteps. If they need PED’s….that’s unfortunate.

  430. essexfan permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:02 pm

    Cone on Curt, You really want pure baseball fans believe that you’ve never took any banned substances? Give me a break. You should get off your holier than thou horse and apologize to Roger. When you were sticking needles in your body and cutting your ankle for the cameras, it was encourage by baseball & TV networks. What was done is done. Move on. Andy was man enough to admit it. Should Roger admit, Absolutely, But let’s move on. Roger being one of the greatest players shouldn’t be prosecuted by you or anyone else with out all the facts in place. You have to ask your self what would Jesus do? I’m 100% sure that he would forgive. So instead of being vain and promoting hate towards anyone who doesn’t believe the things that you believe, be humble.

    Peace on earth and God Bless

  431. shinryu permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:03 pm

    Just a side note – I think it’s very honorable for you to put Pedro ahead of you when you were clearly the ace on the ’04 team.

    Re Rocket – I’m with you 100%.

  432. gloreedays permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:03 pm

    I sure hope 38islame never reproduces.

  433. redsoxlover permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:16 pm

    Curt,
    I agree with everything that you said. Unlike you, I have never been a Clemons fan and it didn’t surprise me at all to see his name in that report. If he is innocent, then he should scream it from the rooftops, but unlike you, his whole focus is money and you can see him setting this all up for a major lawsuit. You have every right to posting your opinion and I, for one, value what you have to say. The Red Sox and Red Sox Nation are better for knowing and loving you.
    Fondly,
    Patti

  434. torres123 permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:25 pm

    Curt right now all everyone is he said. You wish you could put up the #’s Roger has put up. Learn to shut your mouth if it is true let’s let it come out until then he is innocent. SHUT UP!

  435. nyy1rj permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:29 pm

    It’s interesting how all of these big leaguers are now coming out to speak. YET, out of all the ones that are now talking, NONE OF THEM cooperated with congress or the Mitchell report. Why is that? That is the question this fan wants to know.

    Curt, you want Clemens awards taken away if he can’t prove his innocence. That’s fine, I can respect that. However, I think your awards and everyone elses who have not helped Mitchell should have a big fat “*” next to them indicating the steroid era. Frank Thomas, one of the players truly hurt by this era, was the ONLY player to voluntarily cooperate in the report. To me, that speaks volumes. So again, where were you?

  436. philliesphan262 permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:33 pm

    Curt, you have been my favorite baseball player since I was 7, watching you, Dutch and the Krucker at Vet Stadium are some of my best childhood memories. I have always admired the way that you speak your mind. I think there are way too many people who are afraid of how everyone will react to what hey say. I’m glad you, as current player, have spoken out against steroids multiple times, and what you said is what a lot of us are thinking.

  437. bornintobosox permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:42 pm

    Wow this blog is getting a bit out of hand. The one great thing I thought when Curt first came on the “blog scene” is that it will be great to get an insight into the game of baseball from a “players perspective”. As an avid fan it couldn’t get any better. However I am severely disappointed at the fact that a good number of the people who chime in and give there two cents (if its even worth that much) don’t see it for what it is! All they see is a chance to bash at his OPIONION and bash him at the same time! Take for example the comment left by yanksrdaclassofbball:

    386 yanksrdaclassofbball

    “Curt, what you don’t know would fill a book. Oh and I think you should give back your half of the 2001 WS MVP award. After all, Soriano tagged one of your meatballs in the eighth or ninth inning, but if it weren’t for Mariano Rivera blowing the save, you dont get your co-MVP or WS ring. All you did that night was buckle under the pressure, MR Overrated!”

    First off this guy has no right to dispute what Curt knows or doesn’t know. Outside of baseball that statement would hold true! As it holds true for anyone on the face of the earth. In fact that is why we have libraries! They are full of books that contain lots of knowledge (maybe this guy doesn’t know this because he’s a Yankees Fan). In regards to baseball Curt knows more then most because of the fact that he lives & breaths it every day!!! Its his JOB! He’s got the inside track! And second what does the 2001 World Series have to do with anything in relation to this particular blog??? Obviously sore that Curt has managed to be a small part of taking care of the yanks in 2001, 2004 & 2007 (overrated?). Why don’t you amass that negative energy that is still pent up and throw it Rivera’s way. You said it yourself: “if it weren’t for MARIANO RIVERA blowing the save!!!

    Come on people this is an opportunity to discuss the game we love best (regardless of which team is your favorite) and this is what you come up with??? Also, there are a few people that have seemed to be losing their respect for Curt because of his opinion on this subject. I have one thing to say about that: I respect Curt for what he does on the field and in the clubhouse first and foremost! One little opinion whether I agree or disagree is not going to change my mind on how I feel towards him and his ability! Keep up the great work Curt I enjoy watching you do what you do!!!

  438. December 21, 2007 12:50 pm

    That is how this country is.

    A woman can walk into a courthouse and make any claims against any man. Next thing you know, she walks out with all these charges on the guy. The courthouse will never ask for evidence.

    Now the innocent guy hangs.

    So who said we have rights in America?

  439. tigerfan1 permalink
    December 21, 2007 12:51 pm

    Damn, you people that are blasting Curt are morons. But i am thankful for your retardation and lack of a life. Looks like some of you are infatuated with Curt and probably are using SI mags instead of your wife’s Victoria Secrets catalogs. Sinnnners…….

    Anyways, this is his Blog. He is entitled to his opinion, as are everyone in this country. If you hate him so much, why do you bloviate nonceasingly. It’s hilarious. I really enjoy this blog on my lunch hour. Passes time. Your responses and hating on someone you will never meet, nor will he give you the time of day anyways is my comedic relief for about 15 minutes a day. Thanks, morons.

    David

  440. December 21, 2007 12:57 pm

    On the NBC Television network, we have that sex offender show.

    Is it just me who has noticed that these people are being charged with fake crimes? These law enforcement officials are creating ‘fake’ teens. The would-be offenders did not engage in sexual intentions with real teens…it’s cops pretending to be teens….FALSE basis.

    That is what this country is about. We are putting guys in jail based on empty files. If law enforcement has the money to fake a scene…they can also justify their ‘entrapment’ charges by monitoring actual teens which really exist.

    People are going to jail based on fake charges. These teens don’t exist…it’s cops behind the curtain.

    That is what America is all about.

    The guy in the show feels so proud of himself. I’m glad the exposed him in the media for using his ‘false’ tricks to sell a show.

    I wish that Americans would finally wake up. In America, to succeed…businesses of all sizes are using these keys:

    LIE
    CHEAT
    STEAL
    INTIMIDATE

    These are your keys to success in America.

  441. racerxvr6 permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:00 pm

    Wow…..

    I can’t believe you’ve got the guts to call people out on this. If I remember correctly, you didn’t participate in the congressional hearing a couple of years ago when you were asked to appear. Why is that Curt? What are you hiding?

  442. ted1102 permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:01 pm

    I thought the players union and your boy lawyer should have been policing the game. Aren’t you a major spokesman for the union? I guess if you turned your back on it for so long, then why would anyone listen to you now. How can 80 percent of the clean players not police their game and protect their income and integrity of their profession. I guess you cheat at golf too or let your playing partners cheat.

  443. teamrap permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:01 pm

    Great … I love your opinion and respect everything you say, but that is why they make chocolate and vanilla … one is not better than the other, it just depends on who is doing the tasting

    Again, I am a fan … I love the records but enjoy the drama of the chase more … should Barry Bonds be in the Hall of Fame? … should Roger Clemens be in the Hall of Fame? … should Gaylord Perry be in the Hall of Fame? … should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame? … should Tony Perez be in the Hall of Fame?

    Bonds and Clemens probably cheated … Perry did cheat … Rose bet on his team … and Tony Perez shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Mays, Mantle, Williams, Gehrig and Ruth … give back the Cy Young? … put an asterisk next to the home runs?

    The point is… we all have our opinions and one is chocolate and the other is vanilla … it makes for good talk and conjecture … who cares … just let baseball entertain me while I’m here on this earth …

    Williams, Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Mays, Bonds, Clemens, Rose, Perez and Schilling are all engraved in my mind and I don’t care what kind of accolades are bestowed on any of you … it won’t lessen the image in my mind of Williams’ home run in his final at bat, or Gehrig’s speech, seeing Babe waddle around the bases, Rose diving into 1st base, the Mick’s gorgeous swing, the grace of Willie, Yaz running around Fenway giving high fives at the end, Bonds hitting 73, Roger’s 20 Ks, or the bloody sock

    It has and I look forward to the 2008 Red Sox season, just as much as I did to 1968 Red Sox season …. why, because I’m a fan, not a critic

    Let the show continue to WOW me Curt, just like you have in the past and I’ll be happy

  444. bulldog31 permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:05 pm

    Curt, as always you are being vilified for just telling the truth. Everyone in sports seem to be conveniently ignoring facts in lieu of their own prior beliefs.

    This was an investigation completed by the United States Congress. Without the cooperation of Major League Baseball or the Players Union and they unearthed HARD EVIDENCE, that players CHEATED.

    Roger Clemens between advertisements and salary, made a fortune on the extended career that he had doing steriods, why should we reward him further with awards that he did not deserve.

    Most of these Haters did not speak up when Barry Bonds was being attacked, why are they all of a sudden giving Roger Clemens the benefit of the doubt. I would delete those comments on principal alone.

    All the sports media outlets have a vested interest in playing nice with Major Leauge Baseball and whatever warts it has. They will always look the other way or ignore the impact of what was discovered.

    I am convinced, if you dont say something, nobody else will. And its a sad day when most people would rush to the defense of a cheater rather than to make every effort to redeem the INTEGRITY of a sport, as well as restore the HONOR that is deserved by the likes of Roger Maris, and Henry Aaron.

  445. varrius permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:27 pm

    “As a high school principal, for excample, if a student was deemed to be the valedictorian of the graduating class and it was determined that the student cheated on a test that helped him/her become the valedictorian then that student would be stripped of the title because he/she didn’t earn or deserve it”

    Right, but what do you do if it’s determined that roughly 50% of the students cheated, and you don’t know if or how you can prove who did and who didn’t. And, you don’t know if the runner up cheated either, odds are they probably did.

    Stripping awards isn’t going to work, unless EVERYONE that cheated can be PROVEN to have cheated. That will never happen, thus we cannot strip awards.. we can only taint them with the stench that is the steriods era.

  446. yankspride21 permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:42 pm

    Curt i always held a high opinion of you as a classy guy but for u to bash Clemens who is one of the best pitchers of your era is just wrong if you know anything about Clemens he is a pretty stand up guy. His workout regiems can’t even be followed by guys half his age and i am sure you yourself could not do it. And its kind of funny that no Red Sox were named in Mitchells report and as some of us know Mitchell has a bit of stake in the Sox orginization conspiracy perhaps. And as we know the Yankees orginization is stand up they pull no punches i respect Giambi for coming out and saying he did it and for Andy to come out and admit to. There is not one guy in the sox orginization that has taken performance enhancing drugs thats a bunch of bs. Enjoy your off season
    LETS GO YANKEES

  447. myohmyitsyou permalink
    December 21, 2007 1:58 pm

    There seems to be a decent mix of ego inflaters and those waiting with a pin to burst it. I have my opinions of Curt as a pitcher and his bloody sock tale but neither blasting him nor “kissing up” will validate my comments. Who made Curt the voice of baseball? No one. If you think this is the voice of baseball you need your head checked. If anything this is the anti-voice as baseball’s official stance is to not take one. Baseball sits with it’s eyes closed wishing as hard as they can for it to go away, clicking the heels of their ruby red slippers that carried the baseball world into the home run era. Every part of the game takes blame for the rampant steroid use. That means Curt as a player and us as fans. To play during this era and say you’ve heard nothing, I believe, is false. To be a fan during that same time and say you weren’t suspicious when you first heard the word “steroids” is absolutely false. It’s the players’ union’s fault for blindly backing those with the most accusers. It is the players’ fault for being surrounded by it and keeping mum. Why is everyone a whistle-blowing hero after the fact? This includes Curt Schilling as well. Mr. Colin Powell decided it was a good idea to tell us what a sham the Iraq war is AFTER he was removed from his position. He let us all in on what had gone on while pushing for the war yet he said nothing to the contrary whilst he was there. It was only after his job was LOST that he said anything of dissent. He was in a unique position to expose what is, in effect, cheating. This is the same press box that Canseco, Caminiti, and Grimsley sat in while exposing steroid use. It is only after they can no longer benefit from their own use of them that the finger gets pointed. Then there are us, the fans. We tuned in, went to the games, bought the McGwire, Bonds, Giambi, Palmero…. jerseys. When steroid talk dropped we let ourselves be captivated by the home run. ALL parts of the game are to blame, for what? Lining a few peoples’ pockets, garnering fame, breaking a long standing legitimate record, putting a few more butts in the seats? How about the biggest reason, baseball was not doing well and hadn’t for a long time. A recent strike, ridiculous salaries, and dwindling attendance were justification enough for the institution and it’s followers to allow it. Shame on the players, shame on the doctors, shame on the owners, shame on the union, shame on the fans. I agree with Curt’s opinion but it is the young baseball fans that should have the say in this. We all brought them to a game that was suspect at best for the last decade and more. Shame on us for being old enough to know better and I hope the youth can still see baseball for what it used to be and still can be. I guess the central theme of this is shame and we should all feel a little dirty.

  448. neiljames permalink
    December 21, 2007 2:13 pm

    I think it’s pretty funny how people get so mad at you for just saying what you think/opinion, then they do the exact same thing by posting what they think/opinion. Some people will never understand the difference between “innocent until proven guilty” and “I think” or “I believe”. It’s like saying that I can’t “think” someone’s an idiot when they cut me off unless I can prove “prove” their an idiot. Are you digging what I’m planting?—– Neil

  449. lafay99 permalink
    December 21, 2007 2:13 pm

    Curt, thanks for all of the good work you do for ALS and other causes. Back in 2004, when my mother was living with ALS, you brought us all, a family of Phillies fans, into Red Sox Nation with your gutsy, bloody sock effort.

    And, thanks for your take on Clemens. I agree that the only way for Roger to clear his name is for him to make a legitimate (not a PR statement) effort to do so. He has the financial wherewithall to sue baseball, McNamee and/or Mitchell. Whether he wins or not won’t be the issue. Making the effort UNDER OATH to show his innocence and refute McNamee’s claims will go a long way towards his being deemed innocent in the court of public opinion, the only court that really matters right now. Otherwise, the court of public opinion has to choose between Roger’s PR statement and McNamee’s testimonly that, according to CJ Nitkowski, he gave grudgingly when it was his only way to avoid prosecution.

    For those of you who believe Roger, answer me this….why would McNamee lie and risk committing perjury when the only reason he was speaking in the first place was to avoid jail?

  450. paulfromsomerville permalink
    December 21, 2007 2:19 pm

    Mr. Schilling,

    While I might not agree with everything you’ve said in regards to the Mitchell Report and Clemens involvement, I have to say the amount of people coming on to your blog to trash you is over the top. It’s your blog, and your opinion. I’ve heard and read far harsher comments about Clemens from the Boston Sports Media ( believe it or not WEEI is not taking a “wait and see ” approach to the story) and I dont see the same kind of outrage on their sites that I’m seeing here.

    I guess the reason I’m writing is to let you know there are many Red Sox fans that love the fact you write this blog. Its great to get an actual perspective of the sport (and the individual Red Sox games) from someone who is playing for the team. Even if some of your opinions are unpopular with a group of fans, most of us have the intelligence to realize they are YOUR opinions on YOUR blog, and you have every right to include them. Glad your back with the team for one more year, and I’ll be rooting for you and the rest of the team at Fort Myers this year.

    Best

    – Paul F.

  451. gskarka permalink
    December 21, 2007 2:37 pm

    Steroid and growth hormone use in any professional sport, even if it weren’t illegal, sets up a poor image for young people to follow due to the proven health risks. But major league baseball and other professional sports has positioned things so that those who didn’t use these substances were placed at a disadvantage in competing. The object for the owners is to put fannies in the seats! The “fannies” like to see homeruns, extraordinary plays and performance. So, in a sense, the fans contributed to this also. Having said all that, I believe it was wrong from, many perspectives, for Mitchell to publish names based on unsubtantiated oral testimony from admitted criminals. It seems to me Mitchell has positioned himself to be ansering lawsuits for the rest of his life! In addition, I think the report is not credible when names like Mark McGwire are not even on the list. Also, probably 80% of the names on the list were far from superstars, so I guess the steroids and growth hormones didn’t do much for those guys! Finally, in my opinion, there are players out there who surely use banned substances, since they exhibit similar performance “enhancement” attributed to people like Barry Bonds. David Ortiz comes to mind. How many years was he in the majors in Minnesota when he was just an average hitter at best. Then suddenly he gets all that power at a somewhat “advanced” age! Which leads to further lack of credibility for the Mitchell report….Mitchell is on the board of the Red Sox organization and the Sox were barely mentioned. I know Mitchell did not get the cooperation he sought in the investigation. But that should not allow him to violate the laws of due process and slander a bunch of people.

  452. wilkes8 permalink
    December 21, 2007 2:39 pm

    I’d say there’s a 100% chance that Bonds, Giambi, Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, and Canseco used and about a 99% chance that Clemens used.

  453. bigbadbruins permalink
    December 21, 2007 2:41 pm

    Right on Curt. Though I am fairly certain you don’t give a whoot if folks agree or not with you. That’s what is great about where we live. I say “Thank you ” for having the guts to speak up.
    And to those pansies who defend their favorite players with the “Innocent until Proven Guilty” thing, well the Innocent have nothing to hide.
    No one seems to bring up the real ugly part of it all.

    The GREED! These drugs were taken for ONE reason only, to enhance numbers (by returning from injury, to help win, to CHEAT, etc.) so the CONTRACTS would get bigger. Greed was at the root of it all, period.
    I challenge anyone to successfully argue against that. Cannot be done.

    The GREED of the owners, the GREED of the players, The GREED of the sellers, the GREED of the Agents, and the GREED of the FANS(Wanting to see records smashed and long balls all the time)

    Its too bad the “Good ol boy” network in Baseball doesn’t have enough BIG Mouths like Curt who are self confident enough to stand up and call a spade a spade. In initial testing a MUCH larger percentage of players failed…..where are those names. This goes a lot deeper and should be brought to the surface. If it shames even 1 kids from doing it in the future its worth it!

  454. surlyjon permalink
    December 21, 2007 2:43 pm

    Hey Curt,
    How do we know you’re not juiced?

    How bout you prove it to us beyond a reasonable doubt.

    There’s no way you can… There’s no way any of the cheats can….

    Maybe you’re just better at cheating… Who knows?

    When they take back both the single and career homerun records…. But where will that end?

    I think we have good reason to look at all you high performers with a bit of healthy scepticism

  455. bostonbakedbean permalink
    December 21, 2007 2:44 pm

    curt,
    please continue to post on “YOUR” blog anything “YOU” would like, not being on one side or the other on the PED fence i am not going to judge anyone (except Conseco) or anything until all the red tape is cleared and the dust settles. (if ever) Dont let every jerk-off that can type tell you what do do or say or any other ridiculous comment on here, i cant even read them all, my post is about # 81,586,463 but dammit im gonna leave it on here anyhow. P.S to any of you “jerk-offs” please delete this link or for gods sake just stop reading and go find something more creative or constructive to do
    thank you for reading down this far if you did, if not then whatever
    Merry Christmas and God Bless all of you

  456. wints9er permalink
    December 21, 2007 3:02 pm

    Not beat a dead horse here, but….

    IF you dont want an opinion from Curt Schilling, dont read Curt Schilling’s blog.

    If you dont care what Senator McCain has to say about an issue, you wouldnt call his house and ask him, nor would you read his journal.

    Dont read the blog if you dont want to hear what the man has to say.

    That said, plenty of great points…Schill’s point wasnt to tell you how to think or what to believe, but rather to voice his opinion (something he’s entitled to do). Formulate your own opinions. Not that i agree with everything Schill has to say, but its a little bit refreshing to get a NON-PR published opinion from a guy who shares the same life, lockerroom, practice field, etc that we, the general public, dont have access to.

    Perhaps all you critics should take his words with a “grain assult.” Or maybe you just prefer a little pepper…whatever floats your boat.

  457. majorip permalink
    December 21, 2007 3:32 pm

    Curt, were you actual there when Clemens shot?
    How about yourself, how many times have you shot or let yourself get creamed with the clear. I think you are just as guity, if you knew about this. I find it hard you didn’t know. You are guilty the owners are guity and good old bud is a disgrace. Don’t play innocent!!!

  458. bojsenoj permalink
    December 21, 2007 3:38 pm

    I think that one thing people forget in responding to blogs is that this is all personal opinion, and there is no need to criticize with rude comments, irrational thoughts, foul language or personal character attacks.

    I totally agree with Curt’s viewpoint. It is unfortunate that PED’s are in any sport. It takes away the greatness of the game.

    I would love to have asterisks by the name (only if proven, not accused), but it seems as though it would be more messy than it is worth. Juiced pitchers faced juiced batters. We should try to write it off and move on (numbers wise).

    As far as reputation goes, it is your duty to yourself to defend your good name (if in fact you have one). It doesn’t matter who you are.

    Curt, You’re a stud. You have stayed in baseball so long because of your quality pitching. Thanks for the entertainment.

  459. belushi81 permalink
    December 21, 2007 3:41 pm

    I have a Question. Is there anyone who actually knows how HGH and Steroids works in this report. Why would some of these guys only shoot up once? By once do they mean 1 cycle? These drugs take a load period and then continous use. You can’t just take PEDs and gain 10lbs of muscle over night. If someone like Petite was given a shot of anything for his injury and it was only one shot, Absolutly nothing would happen. I wish this report started with someone going over actual test results of scientific research on these drugs. ex: If ABC drug is used for 3 months straight our test subjects weight increased to X, thier body fat went from 10% to 4%, thier bench press went from 225 to 375. Our test subject that took only one dose of ABC drug had zero results.
    Just my thoughts.

  460. bombers27 permalink
    December 21, 2007 4:26 pm

    Hey Curt,
    You gonna give back your World Series ring? You should if you stand by the statement about players giving back their awards. You injected your ankle in the World Series didnt you? With what? It doesnt matter with what..it helped you pitch that night didnt it? So in alot of people’s mind you cheated that night. Oh you’ll say it wasnt illegal..but Roger’s wasnt either at the time. Just think you put your “foot” (ankle) in your mouth once again.

  461. rice14 permalink
    December 21, 2007 4:37 pm

    I just want to say that i admire you Curt i think your a guy that calls it the way he sees it, and reading all these posts saying that your jelous and such, i just dont buy it i, have heard much about you and how you work from a former St Louis card who is a coworker of mine now, he faced you many times and has told me much about you, so i kinda feel like i am speaking with a little more info than the casual fan, to close i just want to say i look forward to watching you and the rest of the team this year. P.S. If you had any intrest about the player i’m talking about feel free to send me an email

  462. rob4real permalink
    December 21, 2007 5:04 pm

    I think everything from Canseco’s initial statements on steroids, his book, and his Congressional testimony…all the way to the recent Mitchell report and the subsequent reactions from people within the game, like Curt, have been just part of the process the sport needed to go through to begin coming to terms with cheating and illegal use of prescription drugs. You just can’t expect an immediate cleansing of a national institution like baseball upon the first disclosure of such stunning activity. Whether Curt decided to speak out about PEDs today or three years ago is less relevant than the fact that he is the first player to comment on this scandal in an informed and legitimate manner.

    Americans, well…we like to believe in the sanctity of our institutions. We like to believe in things like the fairness and honesty of our political elections. We like to believe in the “American Dream” where everyone is born with the same opportunities for success in life. We like to believe that our military only does good and noble things. And we like to believe that baseball is a game as pure and simple as the pristine sound of a wood bat connecting with the leather skin on a hardball.

    Disabusing us all from these idealistic notions is a very tough thing. Americans will defend these sorts of core institutions with a ferocity and stubbornness that perhaps isn’t our best trait. It is in this context that people like Curt will face scrutiny for speaking their mind on tough issues. It is also in this context that exposing and then dealing with the full shape and size of the PED problem in baseball is a long-term project. But Curt’s effort in making a public comment on PEDs this week is a great next step in the right direction.

    Let’s keep in mind the real public benefit to dealing with this problem. I believe this benefit is not in figuring out who was the greatest pitcher of all time, or who is truly the home run king. It’ll take years to sort that out. I believe the benefit is in knowing that our young athletes won’t feel the pressure to expose their bodies to potentially deadly drug cocktails.

    As the salaries available to pro athletes continue to climb beyond the reach of all but the most high- paying careers known to man, so will the competition among young people to earn pro roster spots. Do we really want to place our future generations in a position where they need to decide if it’s worth injecting dangerous drugs into their system and dying young like a Lyle Alzado or Ken Caminiti, just so they can earn outrageous sums of money for a short pro sport career? What other careers could your kids pursue where the requirements for success include being a test animal for the next round of water-based synthetic hormones? And, to a much less important degree, this is so clearly not the spirit of sport as we know it. It sounds closer to what we do to farm animals to produce a tastier steak.

    So enough about defending your favorite ML players, enough about insulting Curt for calling a spade a spade, and enough about defending this American institution of baseball. We now have enough information to know PEDs are being used in baseball. Period. Let’s just focus on fixing that. We’re already wasting time. The next Roger Clemens is probably in his childhood bedroom right now, with some life-sized Fathead poster of Barry Bonds on his wall, while he’s getting ready to stab himself in the rear with a needle full of HGH so that he can someday look as big and play as well as his heroes of the game. Kudos Curt, keep up the good writing.

  463. marshalrd permalink
    December 21, 2007 5:05 pm

    Someone tell Clemens to turn his caps lock off.

  464. highlandwarrior permalink
    December 21, 2007 5:23 pm

    If you are not going to include EVERYONE’S name then they shouldn’t have included anyone’s. Curt first off I am a Yankee fan but my dad died from ALS so I support you there. Would you have been comfortable having one of the Steinbrenner’s run the investigation. Isn’t Mitchell with the Boston Red Sox? Secondly, the test was done from ONE SINGLE SOURCE and did not include other sources such as other labs, private physicians, and the number one resource for steroids etc., the black market. You can walk into any hard core gym across the U.S and find a plethra of roid dealers. It just so happened the source was in NY. Are you that naive that you think NO ONE on your team is using roids? I would say that the report addressed about 10% of players that are using steroids, growth hormone, insulin, etc. so in that case shouldn’t the playing field have been level for the Yankees. This is the problem with releasing names from only one source located in NY. It is natural that most of the players are going to be from that general vicinity and it gives people the impression who are uneducated in the way things work with steriods that these were the ONLY GUYS USING. THE REPORT WAS SKEWED.

  465. varrius permalink
    December 21, 2007 5:55 pm

    What I wish I had included above (as additional clarification), is saying that I don’t think it’s feasable to strip awards away at this point, up to 20 years after the fact.. Instead, we can do worse to them, we can tell them that their awards and records don’t mean anything.

  466. ajvic21 permalink
    December 21, 2007 5:59 pm

    As a Criminal Justice student of Law in NY, and although yes a die hard Yankee fan…..and still agreeing that you are one of the best grittiest pitchers of all time, my problem with the fact that Major League Baseball has become quite hypocritical in a sense. I understand if you cheat then you should pay consequence but it’s like having 5 people fail a class. If 5 people fail, you think “Oh well they didn’t apply themselves”…then you think to yourself…”what if 10 people failed a class?”…….To what extent do you exactly push to…..but if 20 people failed in a class then that is when the professor should be held responsible and rightfully so in the Major Leagues…..Over hundreds and hundreds of ball players have done some type of drug at one point in their respective careers so evidently, MLB did not specify which drugs could have been used or not used for the matter…..In regards with the LAW part, someone cannot be convicted of a legal matter that has not been a law prior to an act being committed, In other words, An ex post facto law is a law passed after the occurrence of an event or action which retrospectively changes the legal consequences of the event or action….which essentially means, if someone took HGH before it was banned, then they should not be penalized because that would violate their rights……..ironically this seems to be the FACE of ESPN nowadays, everyone needs to sit back and relax and let the players that were named dictate their fate……..with much respect Curt, good luck next season……..

  467. ted9fisk permalink
    December 21, 2007 6:08 pm

    Curt, excellent article and pretty much “spot on”. Perhaps, however, we in the Red Sox Nation were a little to quick to throw Dan Duquette under the bus in 1996. Time will tell. Thank you for your thoughts and a great 2007 season. I eagerly await you and the rest of the 2008 Red Sox.

  468. antialex01 permalink
    December 21, 2007 6:14 pm

    Geez Curt…love your game, your competitiveness, god bless you for that 2004 season and all your heroics, but you gotta stop being so damn ‘honest’. You don’t know anything for sure about Clemens, do you? Sure, it doesn’t look too good for him right now, but wow, man…you really don’t know. Besides, what does calling him out accomplish? Doing that in public, in my humble opinion, makes you look cheap. You have something to say about Clemens? Say it to him in private. Man up, dude. Personally, and no offense, I think you’ve got a bit more growing up to do.

    BTW-Have you seen his lawyer’s latest statement? He’s come out swinging, saying anyone who accuses Roger better ‘start looking for a hell of a good lawyer’?

  469. nyy1953 permalink
    December 21, 2007 6:15 pm

    Curt
    You have had a really great carrer. Do you think it is strange that since a member of the Red Sox board did this investigation that no Red Sox were named, after all lets look in your back yard, Big Papi could not get in Minn. lineup and now he is a home run and rbi machine. Manny has had quite a good display of power when most players start to decline with age. And it sounds like if a player starts putting up big numbers after age 35 it seems like they get questioned not to mention if they have grown. You have had the best years of your carrer since 35 not to mention you appear to have grown since your early years in Baltimore when lets face it you were not very good. Putting too much faith in a guy who is trying save his own skin probably is not a good idea. By the way why did you refuse to testify before Congress when invited.

  470. nomarwho permalink
    December 21, 2007 6:57 pm

    Hi Curt,

    First of all let me say I have nothing but respect for you, and I am a huge red sox fan. Yet, I can’t believe you’d come out with comments like these about someone whom you credit with turning your career around, and blast him. Is there no loyalty? Why do you think he doesn’t care about your opinion? You think they should take his Cy Young’s away if he can’t disprove the allegations?
    How do you know the runners-up were not taking PEDs? What if some of your teammates from your World Series teams admitted to taking PEDs durings those seasons? Would you give your World Series wins back? Or your World Series MVP?
    It seem clear it was a widespread problem in baseball. I wonder what your numbers could have been if you joined the crowd?

    Jeff Wilk

  471. 38alwaysajackass permalink
    December 21, 2007 7:12 pm

    Not surprised at all to see you weighing in on this. You have always been a loudmouthed jerk, and when it comes to Clemens your jealousy becomes monumental. You may be a god in red sox nation, but to the rest of the world you are a boorish idiot. Maybe you should just concentrate on baseball this offseason, or will you be auditioning for your after baseball career as the next Joan Rivers? As the saying goes curt, ‘Better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.’ If you want people to talk about you outside of baseball, try dating Paris Hilton, but shut up about subjects you know nothing about.(Just about everything.)

  472. robmaxx permalink
    December 21, 2007 7:30 pm

    Mr. Schilling,

    Your comments are insightful and well thought-out. Its a privelege for us fans to even hear your “opinion”. You shouldn’t feel the need to justify your comments on this subject. Wether someone agrees with you or not, its interesting to read your thoughts.

  473. ladyfan permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:14 pm

    Hi Curt,

    I enjoy your reading your blog and really appreciate the insights you provide as an active player.

    I agree with you about a desire to see Roger Clemens clear his name, if that is possible. I saw Roger pitch a game in Fenway Park in the late 80’s when I first moved here and it was one of the most thrilling things I have ever experienced.

    I have not not been to Fenway in years as the tickets are just too expensive, so I have never seen you pitch. Maybe this year!

    I read a few of the “comments” that people who “hate” you post and I wonder why they bother reading your blog. These are people with problems and I almost pity them. I hope you completely ignore them.

    Good luck with all your projects. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family.

    Lady Fan

  474. daegu07 permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:40 pm

    Greetings Mr. Shilling, from the “Land of the Morning Calm”- Korea.
    Just wanted to say that as a lifelong baseball fan born & breed in Boston (okay- Saugus, but close enough), I truly love the game and the Sox. When I’m back in the States, I usually travel to various ballgames around the country just so I can see you guys play a few games each season. I also like to go to games to see some other teams or players that are doing something incredible, ie, chasing a record, etc… My homebase now is Indiana- far from my beloved New England, but still within a seven hour drive to 7 MLB cities. I’m able to do it often and have been doing it for years.
    So, as a diehard fan, this whole scandal has really been disheartening. Strange, but back in 2001 (I think), I drove over 400 miles round-trip to catch Bonds play a game vs. the Reds. Took the kids too, cause he was having such a great year and I hoped we’d see him hit a HR because I had a feeling he was going to break the record that year. In the top of the ninth, he did- #48 at Cincinnatti. And later that season, he did indeed break McGuire’s record. Unfortunately, because of all this—– it means absolutely nothing now. Even despite Barry’s attitude and being the kind of guy he is, it still was a moment memorable, but this stuff, no – he cheated, and so its nothing special, in fact, its now kind of a negative moment. Same with Roger (if he’s guilty)- and I hate to say it cause he was one of my favorites (despite his being a Yankee).
    You’re absolutely right, x-out their awards and their records / accomplishments from the time they started cheating. Not only is that fair to the true players of the game (like yourself), but will also make the up-and-coming future stars realize even more so that its not worth the risk. Good job on the blog, keep em coming, and I’m so glad you’re back with the Sox!
    Tony Adams

  475. fawawa permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:55 pm

    Curt,
    I give you all the credit in the world for hanging in there with your Blog in the midst of an onslaught of negative responses and flat out insults. I have been reading the blog on and off since Spring and really enjoyed when you got into the details of when you pitched games. I know there are various reasons that you stopped going over every pitch but it was great while you did it. I figure you will put out a couple of books in the future when your baseball days are done and I look forward to reading them. Sorry that I am not commenting on the Steroids Blogs but I scanned over the last couple of weeks and over 1,000 responses and think it has been attacked from every possible angle.
    Peace,
    Ed.

  476. marshall25 permalink
    December 21, 2007 9:56 pm

    I’m not saying anyone should be afraid of offending someone who has cheated, or who has supposedly cheated. But there is a HUGE gray area, in which I think a LOT of players exist. And those named in the Mitchell report are only a smattering, I think, of players who have tried or used steroids. It would be impractical and, I would think, impossible to figure out NOW who did or did not use steroids. Therefore, HOW do you decide what you take from who, and whose statistics to erase? Where does it end? If one is under a cloud of suspicion, should you take away their awards or stats as well? How far do you go? And if you go far enough, its my personal belief there will be MANY players whose stats are no longer, whose awards are “given back”…which, how exactly is that done, anyway? Can you unring a bell?
    I think its time we have accepted this unfortunate era in baseball and MOVE ON.

  477. wbminn permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:15 pm

    I tend to agree with the person who wrote the #11 reply. We, always, tell other people how they are to handle a situation. It is easy to say, ‘I would do this or that’ when we aren’t the person involved.

    Also, how many times have you said, ‘I should have done things differently’ after the fact? One lives and learns.

  478. tjacobs3 permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:24 pm

    curt i couldnt have said it better myself, everyone has been ripping bonds for years a lot of that has to do with him being a complete asshole, i have respected and followed rogers career and was a huge fan of his but he deserves to be ripped on just as hard as bonds now, they are in the same boat and they have no one to blame but themselves and i am glad you had the balls to call him out

  479. vayankee permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:24 pm

    Can’t really argue with your opinion on Clemens, but how do you suggest he immediately clear his name? It won’t matter what he does or says, unless he has some physical proof, it won’t matter–he will still be considered guilty by those who hope he is. You, and many in the Red Sox organization, have insisted that the material on your sock really was blood, but from what I read, many still wonder about that. Think Clemens would have experienced the same thing if he had made comments early on? I think he would have gotten the same results you have.

    Couple of comments, though: It is my understanding that Clemens “dressed you down” in person, face-to-face; you “dress him down” in an electronic blog (no chance to voice his opinion, and I certainly hope he is smart enough not to attempt to defend himself via blogs). Easy to see who is the better man in this exchange.

    Clemens comments to you apparently were meant to be positive and build up; yours were negative and intended to tear down (in your position, negative comments you make give the impression of guilt–maybe not your intent, but a natural result). Your comments seem more designed to increase readership/comments for “your” blog than to befriend Clemens, or baseball. Again, the edge to Clemens.

    On my scorecard for integrity, it is Clemens 2, Schilling 0, bottom of the ninth with only hope for Schilling that Clemens is proven guilty, or in today’s world, can’t prove himself innocent, of the charges. As far as credibility, give me a break–Mitchell was/is a politician; too bad we couldn’t have found a used car salesman to do the investigation!

  480. oneopinion permalink
    December 21, 2007 10:53 pm

    Perusing some of these posts makes me afraid for our country’s very survival. Good Heaven’s, while some are thoughtful, lucid and well-written, there’s at least a signficant minority of them that seem to have been crafted by deranged lunatics! Where do these folks come from? New York?

  481. manobeer permalink
    December 21, 2007 11:04 pm

    CURT SCHILLING

    Never had 300 strike outs in a season prior to turning 30
    Never pitched 300 innings in a season prior to turning 34
    Never won 20 games in a season prior to the age of 34
    Hit his prime in his mid thirties
    Was a better pitcher at the age of 37 than at 27.
    Under 30 he only had two seasons pitching over 200 innings, after turning 30 he did it 7 times.
    He seemed to have hit his prime and bulk up right around the same time Barry did.
    He did all of the above during the STERIOD ERA.

    I think Curt knows what he is talking about when it comes to steroid use, he really should keep talking.

  482. dianeadele permalink
    December 21, 2007 11:22 pm

    Curt,
    Thank you for your honesty. I am sure many players feel the same way you do, but don’t have the courage or the forum to say what they think.
    People want to rant, vent, and lash out because they don’t know what else to do. As betrayed as the fans feel, I can only imagine what you, and others who looked up to Clemens and tried to emulate him, are feeling.
    “The sun rises in the east, Jesus loves me, Clemens is the greatest pitcher of all time…” Whoa, what a minute…Mitchell Report…world view changing. “The sun still rises in the east, Jesus loves me, and the greatest pitcher of all time is a guy I never saw pitch because he died before I was born…damn.

  483. benzer59 permalink
    December 21, 2007 11:38 pm

    Baseball is no longer America’s pasttime; it is past its’ time unfortunately. Everything that’s been achieved in the steroids era is now worthless including your world championships. It’s all built on lies and deception, it’s smoke and mirrors.

    I agree with most of what you said, but I cannot stand your self righteous, holier than thou ramblings.

    I suspect you have juiced, your head has gotten bigger and bigger every year (like Bonds); certainly your mouth has.

  484. formerstatladyrriders permalink
    December 22, 2007 12:33 am

    Curt thanks for speaking out and voicing your views. It takes courage and strength to rock the boat and voice your opinion about a controversial topic in public. I still love watching you pitch as much today as I did watching you pitch during your Y.C. days.
    I am the proud owner of one of your autographed baseballs. Just wish you could sign my Suns shirt you were there when Joe gave it to me. R.

  485. reportwaste permalink
    December 22, 2007 12:50 am

    Mr. Schilling,
    I could care less if Clemens has cheated over the past few years or not because we will never really know the truth about ANY player over the past decade or two because there is no concrete evidence. Look at yourself. Why don’t we throw your name out there with the others like Jeter, Manny, Peavy, and others people speculate on. Is it fair?
    You went to Boston and did a great job and helped bring them a title. Whyt isn’t your name circulating? You can honestly say you just played through the pain during the “bloody sock” game? No cortizone or anything? You’re that much of a tough guy? I highly doubt it. I think that if you needed any sort of medication than you should lose that world series title because that enhanced your performance. WIthout tylenol, advil or whatever you wouldn’t have been able to continue in the series; either that or you were faking.
    Once Damon left everyone in MA jumped on him for being a traitor and he was accussed of doing steroids. Why didn’t you back him? Why weren’t any Red Sox implicated in the report? I think the report is pretty much crap. Why didn’t a nuetral party conduct the investigation? SHould your NL pennat be taken away?
    I think you’re a great pitcher but I also think you’re a “media pig”. Any chance you have to grab the spotlight you will. Taking about Clemens, testifying in front of COngress, etc. Palmero said he never touched the stuff so why should we believe you? How can you prove us wrong? Bottom line you can’t.
    Thanks

  486. howlingwitch permalink
    December 22, 2007 1:26 am

    Innocent until proven guilty?
    Well, we can’t just throw everybody into Guantanamo Bay.

  487. txmac59 permalink
    December 22, 2007 1:35 am

    Mr. SCHILLING,

    I can’t help but posting this reply to your posting. While as you said, the post is simply your opinion but you fail to recognize the wieght of your opinion being who you are in the bigger picture (i.e. MLB). So you words are important.

    I respect your opinion but I must say, the logic of it is seriously flawed. Others previous posting have been very eloquent in articulating the reasons. The largest being your words seem to be based upon emotions, feelings for only the players “you personally know”, everyone else are “thrown to the dogs”. It’s quiet contradictory to say to the accused “you’re guilty unless you can prove your innocent” and then say, “I hope they’re innocent”, that simply is NOT AMERICAN.

    I can not see how anyone can support the defamation of people by simple accusations without solid proof. In addition, then to tells those accused, “You prove the accusations wrong.” What happen to “innocent till proven” guilty”? What happen to treat others the way you would want to be treated? Is this the what our nation’s fabric come? Where is the leadership?

    This whole scenerio reminds me of that Shirley Temple movie (the name escapes me) where Shirley is dreaming of a witch shouting to the king that “She knows what she saw and she saw what she knows”, when she saw the two romantic leads steal a kiss. No fairness, no real substantial reason or evidence. It’s sad to see baseball, our national pastime, the game of our national fabric has resorted to “group think, greed, rationalized lying and condemdation”.

    Your condemation of Jose Canseco, while emotionally understandable is quiet distrubing. I can’t see how you are so eager to discredit him yet be willing to “forgive” players who by your own account only came clean when they were caught and not call their careers a lie. You’re very willing to accept whatever they say at face value when they’ve been lying all along. Or by the way, there is also a thing called lying “BY OMISSION”. Keeping quiet when you are aware of transgressions being committed is just a grievious of an action. If PEDs were so wide-spread, how could it not surfaced until now?

    In the end, Mr. Schilling, your method of administering your judgement seems to have a qualifying quality to it. I wonder what that qualification could be? I could guess and accuse but that would bring my whole point to a complete circle, now wouldn’t it.

    If you want to be a positive influnce, a leader, in MLB or any other venue, then be wise, be fair, and in most cases, be quiet till there’s real facts available.

    Just my opinion, you can appreicate that, I’m sure.

  488. fenwaytn permalink
    December 22, 2007 4:33 am

    While I disagree with the idea of stripping Clemens and others of their awards, simply because I can’t be sure that the runner’s up weren’t doping too, I am behind you 100% for making a statement.

    I think your comments were made with respect. You have the humility to admit past mistakes, which is something I rarely see other posters do. (Perhaps your detractors are NEVER wrong. How nice for them!)

    Baseball fans everwhere should be grateful that there is at least one player willing to put his tail on the line against this disgraceful practice.

    Why aren’t the other players urging to players union to allow more-stringent testing?

    We can’t all believe exactly the same thing. I think that heatlthy debate is a good thing.

    People who are lambasting you for speaking out against steroids are indeed tacitly supporting PED usage and the status quo.

    Thank you for having integrity and dignity.

  489. kidrossi permalink
    December 22, 2007 5:11 am

    IF mlb doesn’t remove awards and records, it would once again show them to be all talk and no walk…if they really want to stop doping, take a lesson from the IOC, they talk the talk and carry a big stick…Cowherd(ESPN Radio) was wrong saying taking a plaque from Clemens(IF he did the allege deal of course) wouldn’t mean anything, tell that to Randy J , HOF would like nice after his name……love your opinions, 67soxfan

  490. aredsoxlifeforme permalink
    December 22, 2007 8:59 am

    Curt, I think you are spot on regarding Clemens. His silence speaks volumes. May the arrgoant cheater get just what he deserves……and may it forever be linked to his pinstripped past.

    The thinly veiled hate you receive from “open minded” liberals who despise you and every opinion you express simply because of your political views makes for an enlightening blog!

    On an off the field you DELIVER from the heart…..very respectable in this day and age.

  491. scudbuster permalink
    December 22, 2007 9:31 am

    Curt i applaud you for trying to urge character into character-less creatures….i also want to belatedly thank you for two wonderful experiences of seeing Two World Championships……
    i guess some people when they feel their bodies slipping reach down into a bottle or vile for help…..others…reach down into their soul…and pull out a bloody sock!!!

    on another note…thank you for all your work for veterans…i am a veteran who is awaiting for word for a claim seventeen years in the making…Desert Storm..C 3/43 11th brigade…..i had personal parades when i returned…television appearances….school appearances…god did america need a hero then…a year later…..i was a liar and a faker…….please urge all americans to support…truly support our returning veterans…so they dont go through the loss of family and friends that i have gone through….i dont regret what i did….i wouldnt change anything, other than demanding help sooner….war is nothing anyone here will ever understand…..peace curt and thank you again…..for 04 and 07….thank you for the little bit of happiness those performances produced!!

  492. bostonbill48 permalink
    December 22, 2007 9:44 am

    Curt I appreciate the fact that you let your feelings known and we dont get the standard crap. Just hope you feel the same way when other athletes comment about you. The world according to Curt. LOL.

  493. fenwayrocks permalink
    December 22, 2007 10:33 am

    I don’t agree with everything Curt says, but I don’t attack him for sharing his opinion. I respect him for having the guts to say what he feels because he knows he’s going to catch hell from someone, no matter what he says. In no way do I feel his comments are sour grapes or turning on his “brothers”. He didn’t accuse Roger of cheating. He said that IF Roger did cheat, he needs to give the awards back. From what I’ve learned about Curt since he joined the Sox, I have no doubt that he’d admit it if he had cheated and would accept full responsibility for it.

    The thing I enjoy most about Curt’s blogs are that he’s the first one to criticize himself when he feels he needs it. After a game when he didn’t pitch well, he flat comes out and says, “I stunk”. No excuses. No comments saying he didn’t feel well, had a blister, cold, flu, or whatever. He knows he has a job to do and if he doesn’t do it to his satisfaction, he says so and if they lose because his pitching wasn’t up to par, he takes the blame. That’s impressive and he earns my respect for that.

  494. fenwayrocks permalink
    December 22, 2007 10:55 am

    What is it with people who compare cortisone shots or advil with steroids or HGH? Apparently, you don’t even know what cortisone is used for, yet you accuse Curt or others of cheating for using it. Cortisone is used to reduce inflammation. It doesn’t make you stronger. It’s widely used by doctors everywhere for things like bursitis, tennis elbow, tendonitis, carpal tunnel, etc… You don’t order it by mail or have to sneak around to get it. It can only be used occasionally as it can cause damage to the tissue if overused. If you’re going to accuse Curt of cheating by using specific drugs, at least know what you’re talking about.

  495. coachchili permalink
    December 22, 2007 11:33 am

    I loved your blog, THANK YOU! ….for telling it like it is. I am stunned at journalists who are giving MLB a pass on HGH. Peter Gammons and Tim Kurkjian are saying that HGH is really just to speed up recovery and giving these players and MLB another excuse. What a crock of @!&%. Since when are these two guys chemistry experts? There is a reason why it is called Human GROWTH Hormone. Bodybuilders use it when they have peaked with steroids. They use it to push through a plateau in their ‘growth’. It is much stronger than steroids and it has more lasting effects. It can even create bone ‘growth’, that is why it is given to dwarf children to get them to ‘grow’. It has also been shown to maintain muscle mass in AIDS wasting.

    I have personally seen bodybuilders, who have abused HGH, grow excess tissue on the base of the skull. HGH ‘growth’ is much more permanent whereas steroid growth is not. Steroid use causes an increase in muscle mass due to temporary retention of water, thus expanding the muscle fibers. As soon as you stop taking steroids, the water retention will decrease over a period of weeks. That is why there is depression when you stop taking steroids, that loss of strength and muscle mass causes emotional issues for the bodybuilder. Giambi went through it!

    Clemens is most likely lying. Andy Pettite is now a proven liar and his apology is a joke! HGH is not taken for its healing powers. I guess these players want to call growing their muscles freakishly big and fast “healing”. There isn’t a physician in the world that would give them a prescription of HGH to heal a wound. I can’t get over Peter and Tim accepting this as a legitimate excuse. I guess they are tied to MLB and still need to earn a paycheck from MLB, so the B.S. will continue.

    MLB should be ashamed, not just players but owners and MLB should all be punished. MLB attendance has been up due to the ‘freaky’ performances on the field. The owners made a ton of cash and gave ridiculous contracts to these ‘roidheads’. The only innocent parties in this whole mess are the fans, the average ‘Joe’ got mugged on ticket prices! We paid for MLB and got WWE! MLB should give free tickets to a game next year as an apology! If MLB is sincere, give something back! If not, fans should file a class action suit.

    Jayson Stark wants Pettite to be treated equal to that of Rodney Harrison. OK! Rodney lost 1/4 of his season and money due to a suspension. Will Andy agree to the same? I think not. Will he forfeit 4 million of his contract and 40 games? Get real, he is being treated as such, because Andy has already lied about not taking PED in the past. Now, we know that he is a liar too. In the words of our dear friend Raffy Palmeiro, “Pettite, Clemens and a sh!tload of other MLB players CHEATED! PERIOD. They should be punished, but we all know they won’t be. Such is the life of ‘white’-collar crime.

    Thanks for your honesty, Curt!

  496. coachchili permalink
    December 22, 2007 11:43 am

    Here is a Clemens’ Parody of ‘Devil Went Down to Georgia’. I’m just having fun with ‘ol Rog!

    The devil went down to Skydome, he was looking for a soul to steal.
    He was in a bind ‘cuz he needed to stick a behind, he was willin to make a drug deal.
    When he came across this aging athlete whose talents were falling apart.
    The devil opened up a few vials and said:”Old man, lemme show you what I got:
    “I bet you didn’t know it, but I’m a ballplayer too.
    “And if you’d care to take a dare, I’ll make a bet with you.
    “Now you throw a mean fastball, Rog, but give the devil his due:
    “I bet a HOF induction against your soul, ‘cos I think I can hit off of you.”
    Roger said: “My name’s Rocket and it might be a sin,
    “But I’ll take your juice, I won’t regret, I’ll be the best that’s ever been.”

    Roger you rosin up your hand and throw your fastball hard.
    ‘Cuz hells broke loose in Toronto and the devil sticks the needle hard.
    And if you win you get this new contract made of gold,
    But if you lose, the devil gets your soul.

    The devil opened up his steroid vials and said: “I’ll start this show.”
    And fire flew from Roger’s buttcrack, the Devil stuck it a bit too low.
    Then he pushed the syringe deep into the glute and it made an evil hiss.
    Then Pettite joined in, “Let’s hope Mitchell doesn’t test your p !ss.”
    When the devil finished, Roger said: “You’re pretty good at going deep, ol’ son.
    “But if you’ll step into the batter’s box, right there, let me show you how its done.”

    PED’s on the mound, run boys run.
    The devil’s at Babe’s house in the New York sun.
    Steinbrenner in the owner’s box, shellin’ out dough.
    “Andy, does Roger have ‘roid rage?”
    “No, George, no.”

    The devil bowed his head because he knew that he’d been beat.
    He laid that golden contract on the ground at Roger’s feet.
    Roger said: “Devil just come back next week and we’ll ‘go deep’ again.
    “Bring Winstrol, HGH and Deca! I’m gonna be the best that’s ever been.”

    And Rocket threw broken bats from the mound, run Piazza run.
    The devil’s in the house of the Houston sun.
    Sticking pins in butt cheeks, is this all for dough?
    “Rocket, does the needle sting?”
    “No, George, no.”

  497. thebeanman permalink
    December 22, 2007 11:48 am

    Schill, are we going to fix this? Are the players, the Owners, and the League going to fix the issue of enhancements, or is this just another chest bumping finger pointing exercise? Without blood and tissue testing all the hearings in the world will produce nothing but more smoke. Without the names of players moving forward in the game will there be ANY credibility to a $20 million report. It looks like a well coordinated effort to sweep the dirt under the carpet while leaving every player moving forward alone. Sorry! But A-Rod has hit 500 of his homers during the VERY SAME steroid era which Barry Bonds played in. An interview with Katy doesn’t make you innocent. Not having chemically altered DNA, or not having elevated serum levels in blood work will do just fine! Then I can root for the guy who is next in line to be in the record books.
    Are we going to FIX this? Because if this is just more noise in an effort to appease Congress, save your time! We the fans don’t want any! I for one say that if you are not going to demand blood, and tissue testing by an independent testing group, then lobby for the legalization of the drugs. Time to piss or get off the pot! People looked the other way for twenty plus years, and if you, and a number of current players are not going to take the lead and push for the testing which will eliminate CHEATERS from the game and the Hall of Fame, then I wish you would PLEASE stop talking a good game. Every current player is a product of the Steroids Era! Every contract is a direct result of past players who used, and signed for huge coin. If Brady Anderson had been caught and thrown out would this have snowballed into what it is? Would there be one year deals for 15-25 million if Big Mac And Slamming Sammy hadn’t used?
    If we are not going to fix the problem, then let’s just all look the other way again. Stop all the noise and finger pointing at guys just because they have broken records, or might go into the Hall due to their use. Just keep counting the cash! The fans are still attending, so let’s just go back to business as usual, right? Isn’t the Mitchell report just another smoke screen and chest bumping exercise for Congress? It does not mention a single promenant name moving forward, does it? Then it isn’t worth much is it?
    No one needs to name names in my opinion. All the players need to do is band together and insist upon blood and tissue testing. Those who refuse or fail a test should be released from their contracts immediately. That would leave what, 20-30% of the league on the field? Do you want to fix this? Be a HERO! Step up! Or, stop grand standing and just count your cash with the rest of them!

  498. baberuthbar permalink
    December 22, 2007 11:49 am

    Innocent till proven guilty.. Lets not get ahead of ourselves “Fans.”

    “It seems like people are rushing to judgment. I think you have to let it play out a little bit before you make the decision on whether he’s guilty or not.” (Quoted by DJ to Clemens)

  499. bryanpalu permalink
    December 22, 2007 11:54 am

    Wow, a lot of you guys have reading comprehension problems.

    Two things.

    1. The guy who says Clemens took roids and HGH isn’t saying that he heard it from his cousin’s roommate’s brother’s next door neighbor. He said HE was the one who injected Clemens. Huge difference.

    2. All Curt wants is for one of his hero’s to freaking clear his name. I want the same thing. I’ll never forget that night when I was 13 years old listening to Clemens strike out 20 guys on the radio. I had tears in my eyes (same thing 20ish years later when that rookie through the no hitter this season).

    And what Curt wrote is right, if the claims of his steroid use are false, a normal man who has immortality (the Hall of Fame) on the line is going to sue that trainer for everything he’s worth AND demand an apology. But what is Clemens doing? Nothing…he’s releasing statements by his agent.

    Clemens doesn’t owe it us to clear his name, he owes it to himself and his family…especially his very talented kids.

  500. bryanpalu permalink
    December 22, 2007 11:58 am

    Oh, and ‘reportwaste’, if you honestly don’t see the difference between painkillers and a drug that causes you to pitch a fastball 5mph or more faster…I have some waste to report, that gray matter between your ears.

  501. imissceveverett2 permalink
    December 22, 2007 12:26 pm

    curt, i agree with your response to this clemons/report. he doesnt have to respond to anything in sen mitchell’s report. but i feel it we be sad if he doesn’t. here is a guy that made us in boston so happy because he was considering coming back to pitch for our redsox and then dash our hopes by signing with newyork. he is that type of guy, an icon. you were right by saying he doesn’t have to do it for me, but he has to. he owes guys like spahn, groove, kofax, and gibson, hall of famers that much. he owes guy like jack morris, bert blelivin, and guys like you. guys that are on the “bubble” so just maybe the voters can realize when going git tough the tough stuck out and did the best that they physicaly could. not artificially but naturally. and for that i thank you.

  502. fenwaytn permalink
    December 22, 2007 12:30 pm

    I just saw where Goose Gossage also says that the players should have their awards stripped.

    You are not alone. If fact, you’re in good company.

    Cheers.

  503. uncjjb24 permalink
    December 22, 2007 12:31 pm

    Curt, it’s ridiculous that you always have an opinion on everything. No one really wants to hear it. Yes, you may be entitled to your opinion, but why voice it? I think it’s rather hypocritical for someone like you to do so. Why didn’t you say anything in front of Congress when you had the chance? That just shows your true cowardice. You can always talk a big game behind your computer, but when you had the chance to do something in Congress, you backed down. Should your 2001 Diamondbacks team forfeit their World Series title because one of your teammates, Matt Williams, used steroids? Bottom line, you can’t prove you didn’t use PEDs. I also remember you saying you didn’t care if someone used PEDs as long as he did well for your team. Funny, now all of the sudden you have a problem with it. What a joke you are. Just retire.

  504. cooper1931 permalink
    December 22, 2007 1:00 pm

    Mr. Shilling,

    I would like to address you as Curt but because I have not met you I used Mr. Shilling. I do fell like Red Sox players are family. I have been a Red Sox fan since there 1946 World Series. I thank you for helping me experience a World Series championship twice. I thought I might die and never see that happen,
    I do not know if you read these messages but I guess that if you read them, you know that they range from insightful to ignorant to irrational. Comparing Tylenol to steroids way off the subject. I am sure that Yankee fans telling you how arrogant and stupid you are will not cause you to lose too much sleep. I see the argument use often that not every one got caught or accused. That is unfortunate for baseball but, are we to ignore the ones that there is some evidence against? I love the Red Sox but if there is ever evidence that some of them used my respect for that individual will be gone. I do not understand how any one could harm their body with steroids to build their ego. In closing I will apologize for this disconnected message and say that I am extremely competitive but that I would have continued to love the Red Sox and could have died happy if they had not won a World Series. Go Sox 2008

  505. anthonyt permalink
    December 22, 2007 1:08 pm

    Hey Curt.

    I know for a fact that you used amphetamines and steriods!!!and I want all of your records erased. Now of course that is a ridiculous statement and of course I dont know what you may have done in your career. But now I want you to go and find a way to make us all believe that you never have done anything in your career. Sounds a bit ludicrous doesnt it. You can believe what you want of course but I am going to tend to believe Roger on this one because what seperates his credibility from his trainer is his trainer was being threatend with jail time for being an admitted traffiker of steroiods. As far as integrity goes— let me see drug pusher hall of famer which would you say really has more integrity c’mon say it we all know the answer. I really figured you to have more intelligence than to compare the two. I will end with congrats to the Sox for a great year but go Yankees.

    Yanks fan for 40 yrs.

  506. redsoxrmyheros permalink
    December 22, 2007 2:01 pm

    It’s so funny watching these Skankee fans lash out and grasp at straws…LOL!!
    Your Roger is washed up because he’s not able to take his daily shot in the butt anymore. He’d probably pitch til he’s 50 if he could still get his buddy to shoot him in the ass.
    Here’s an idea, maybe he and “pucker-up-Pettitte” could shoot each other in the ass, then they could keep it all “hush-hush”.
    He’s busted, get over it and quit whining.
    From now on, he and Bonds should be like Prince: go only by a symbol – ” * “.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
    It always amazes me how ignorant some people can be.

  507. rocketman7686 permalink
    December 22, 2007 2:11 pm

    Curt, I have listened to a lot of talk on the steriod era. I still haven’t heard
    anyone talk about the familys of the these players. I wonder if there is a player out there that has been using in any sport, that has a special needs child? How do you look at child and wonder to yourself if I wasn’t using that my child would be normal?? How do you explain it to your wife? The talk about the records and the hall of fame is all bull shit!! Let’s correct the problem and stop setting a bad example for the future of the game and players.

  508. vyctim permalink
    December 22, 2007 2:44 pm

    Here’s my question on this steriods issue. I can understand punishing people who used it when they’re healthy, to get an edge. But those who are injured, and use HGH SOLELY to get healthy, then forsake it altogether once they’re able to play once again…punishing them doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me, unless it happened after 2004 when it was banned. Seems to me if you’re unable to play, and something LEGAL (at the time) will help you play again, you should be able to use it. But especially with HGH, once you’re healthy again, you really don’t need to stay on it if you’re using it to get healthy and you ARE healthy. So Vina, Ankiel, and anyone else who solely used it to get better, and quit using it once they were better…i really don’t think we should focus too terribly much on them. We should focus instead on those who used it when they were healthy to make themselves even better. That, to me, is the true taint of the “Steroids Era”…not that people used it when injured, but that they used it when healthy.

    P.S.: For those idiots who keep calling out Curt Schilling’s name on the steroids thing, last i checked, his name wasn’t mentioned in the Mitchell report, so please shut up and quit fanning the flames of a fire that doesn’t even exist. You’re just wasting space on his blog, and badly need your replies deleted. And Mr. Schilling, i apologize if i stepped a bit over the line on this P.S., but i felt it was still worth saying.

  509. makeyourcase permalink
    December 22, 2007 3:46 pm

    As a long time fan of yours Curt, from the time your graced us with your talent in Az, I respect you and your outspokeness. I have just discovered your blog, and I must say, I find it very insightful and refreshing.

    I find all the haters that feel the need to post here nauseating.

    And your grace to allow them to post despite all their bashing just reaffirms my “fanship”.

    Thanks for great years that you gave the Diamondbacks, and stay true to your beliefs.

    Peace 🙂

  510. highlandwarrior permalink
    December 22, 2007 4:46 pm

    I am a natural body builder/powerlifter/Highland Games Competitor and am totally against steroids. I have bench pressed 640 pounds at 51 years of age without roids, growth hormone. etc or even a lifting suit. But having been in the game for so long and having owned gyms I know quite alot about steroid and GH usage. Insulin is also used because it increases protein synthesis. I personally know many guys who have gotten ill or are dead from their usage. Many talk about the strength aspect of these drugs but with that strength comes confidence which is crucial in sports. Also probably the most beneficail thing to a player, particualrly an older one is recupperation. With all that being said it is still not going to make an average player into a great player. Case in point “JEREMY GIAMBI” compared to JASON. Look at some of the other names on the list. There are many average players. Also the report done by a man who is on the board of the Boston Red Sox (this is a conflict of interest no matter what Mitchell says) did not adress typical sources of steroids like private physicians and the Black Market which is the number one source. It addressed one source, one lab that happened to be located in NY. As against steroids as I am, the names that were realeased should have never been released because it gives the impression that these were the only guys that used. I am sure that if sources in the Boston area were uncovered you would not be so quick to criticize Roger Clemens because you would find that many of your own team mates are using performance enhancing drugs. Nutrition supplement companies still include steroid like drugs in their supplements so a player could also go to a nutrition store and buy something in a completely innocent manner and wind up testing positive.

  511. laxthefacts permalink
    December 22, 2007 5:10 pm

    John McCain ?

    Curt Schilling ?

    Sid Fernandez ?

    So what do they have in common?

    answer : They are all irrelevent!

    Mrs McCain?

    Mrs. Fernandez/

    Mrs. Schilling?

    What do they have in common?

    They are all out there shopping this holiday season, keeping an eye out for someone who is relevent and getting there prescriptions filled by thier psychiatrists until they do!

    Curt have you looked in the medicine cabinet lately?

  512. dzafrane permalink
    December 22, 2007 5:10 pm

    Curt Schilling! This has nothing to do with your post. I just want to let you know that I’m a huge fan. I’m from Philly and have been a fan ever since I was a little girl. I still love the phillies (even when they lose), but I root for you too! You are one of the great men of baseball. Honest in character and always dignified. I wanted you to know that as a fan, I appreciate you! Thank you so much for all that you do for baseball and your service to ALS. You are such a great role model. I hope that my children can recognize your characteristics and that they’ll want to emulate you and their father (who is a wonderful man) instead of some of those other trashy celebraties. God Bless you! May He continue to Bless you on this day, on your game days and ever day. May He also bless your wife and your children. Another thing, it is so wonderful that you show yourself as a family man in an age when families are crumbling! Your role in society is so important. Thank you again for all that you do!

  513. billiebob permalink
    December 22, 2007 5:35 pm

    Yanks are cheaters, all americans are cheaters, you should try to be like us Canadians. Everyone likes us and we don’t cheat.

    It’s awesome being a Canadian.

  514. dasb00t permalink
    December 22, 2007 5:44 pm

    How can Clemens prove he did not do whatever?? He can’t prove that he didn’t take any performance enhancing drugs anymore than Curt can prove he didn’t take them either.

  515. irishlas permalink
    December 22, 2007 5:46 pm

    Mr. Schilling,

    Please accept my apologies on behalf of the fans who, while speaking their minds as they are entitled, express themselves with great lack of respect and basic good manners. Whether we agree with your opinions or not the very least you are owed is respect. Shame on them.

    Blessings and a Very Merry Christmas to you and your family.

    IrishLas

  516. tufeek1 permalink
    December 22, 2007 5:51 pm

    Curt,

    I agree with what you said on Roger. I have been a Sox fan my entire life. I have followed Roger during his time in Boston and after. Certainly I am dissapointed if in fact he has been juicing. I do believe that the idiot who wrote comment 483 should get his head out of his rectom when he compares tylenol to roids! Curt, thanks for everything you have brought to Boston. Happy Holidays, and god bless to you and the family!

  517. mitchvt permalink
    December 22, 2007 6:20 pm

    You Yankee fans are so bitter. But like Curt, your able to speak your mind. I will say that I admire Petite for admitting his mistakes, but if Clemens used and doesn’t at least apologize to the fans, he’s not the Man I thought he was.

    Curt, awesome blog. Thanks.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family
    Go Sox!

  518. tracylynn88 permalink
    December 22, 2007 6:41 pm

    curt merry x-mas and happy new year to you and your great family i hoped you would of been proud of me for sticking up for you the other day

  519. braedlonliles permalink
    December 22, 2007 7:13 pm

    Hey Curt,

    I really don’t know if I believe you. I think you might have taken steroids too – and that is must my opinion. If fact, I think the majority of players took roids. While it’s your choice to call someone out, I would NEVER do that to my idol, ex-teammate or friend. If I care enough, I would do it in private. I think it’s classless of you to leverage off your fame to “kick” Clemens while he’s down.

    Braedon Liles

    braedonliles@yahoo.ca

  520. braedlonliles permalink
    December 22, 2007 7:19 pm

    I agree:

    CURT SCHILLING

    Never had 300 strike outs in a season prior to turning 30
    Never pitched 300 innings in a season prior to turning 34
    Never won 20 games in a season prior to the age of 34
    Hit his prime in his mid thirties
    Was a better pitcher at the age of 37 than at 27.
    Under 30 he only had two seasons pitching over 200 innings, after turning 30 he did it 7 times.
    He seemed to have hit his prime and bulk up right around the same time Barry did.
    He did all of the above during the STERIOD ERA.

    I think Curt knows what he is talking about when it comes to steroid use, he really should keep talking.

  521. braedlonliles permalink
    December 22, 2007 7:19 pm

    I agree:

    CURT SCHILLING

    -Never had 300 strike outs in a season prior to turning 30
    -Never pitched 300 innings in a season prior to turning 34
    -Never won 20 games in a season prior to the age of 34
    -Hit his prime in his mid thirties
    -Was a better pitcher at the age of 37 than at 27.
    Under 30 he only had two seasons pitching over 200 innings, after turning 30 he did it 7 times.
    He seemed to have hit his prime and bulk up right around the same time Barry did.
    He did all of the above during the STERIOD ERA.

    I think Curt knows what he is talking about when it comes to steroid use, he really should keep talking.

  522. uws123 permalink
    December 22, 2007 7:41 pm

    Simple – Roger take a lie detector test. Prove to the world that the charges are a lie. True – in this eyes of the courts you are innocent until proven guilty. But in the court of public opinion, it is the other way around.

  523. nubulins permalink
    December 22, 2007 7:45 pm

    Curt Schilling blog = His views. This is why I read it. If you didnt speak your mind there would be no blog. I thank you and marvel at the readers that don’t understand that concept.

  524. hitz53 permalink
    December 22, 2007 7:55 pm

    Innocent until proven guilty is a legal nicety for use in the courts and in juries. The public and fans have every right to declare guilt in the matter of steroid use based on appearances. A baseball fan,withour dear of legal reprisal, has every right to turn his or her back on a player because the player appears to be a cheat or a jerk. Fans can, in effect, fire a player despite the fact that the player is still playing ball and being paid.
    The mention of Roger Clemens, Andy Petitte and Eric Gange, among others, have made them suspect. They are among the sports elite and have to constantly prove their right to that position. They have been fingered and it is their job, as far the fans go, to clear themselves. They and their lawyers can cry “unfair” as much as they want, but they have to prove that they have been unfairly tarred. The fans have the final word.
    We like to regard baseball as the “American game.” We like to think of baseball as a pristine game where the best men win, and if they don’t win they played the game well as they can, but the pressures of business and marketing have made winning at all costs everything. Instead of saying, “I did my best using my natural talent and hard work”, for some players have taken up the motto, “better playing through chemistry.” I would much rather that cheaters go back to the old gag of running from second to home while the umpire wasn’t watching instead of using the juice. At least that was “honest” cheating.
    As far as several players claiming that they used HGH to recover from injuries faster, why have not any of the men in my area of labor (aerospace) not been prescribed HGH by industrial doctors after suffering muscle strains, twists and pulls? These guys lose more money by having to take a couple of days off work than the average ball player and sometimes the employers lose a bunch of money.
    Thanks, Curt, for calling out the suspected steroid and HGH users. You’ve called the players out to give the fans honest ball. You’ve taken a risk in calling for clean ball in an age where it seems that anything goes.m You’ve shown yourself to be a stand up guy.

  525. tinz911 permalink
    December 22, 2007 8:25 pm

    It breaks my heart to see Roger go down like this. Keep up the great work Curt. I hope you, Shoda and the whole family have a Merry Christmas.

  526. mattlenny permalink
    December 22, 2007 8:39 pm

    Curt,

    You and all the people posting on here may never quite get to reply #484 or where ever I end up, but I feel the need to vent. I have just recently starting reading your blog and I have also started reading some of your archived stuff from March. I think it is awesome that you have an opinion about the sport/profession that you have chosen. There are so many players that do not have a public opinion. Sometimes that can become frustrating for a fan. Although I can completely respect them as well. Those players just want to go to work, do their job and keep a low profile. Some of my favorites of all-time are those type of players.

    Let me cut to the chase. I am frustrated with how many ignorant people are willing to attach their log-in/fake name to a post and rip someone that is just trying to have an opinion. I just want you to know that there are people like me that respect what you are doing on this site, appreciate the inside information you are sharing and understand that it is only your opinion.

    Thank you and continue having a voice for us.

  527. sully64 permalink
    December 22, 2007 9:18 pm

    Wow!!! After reading some of these blogs I have to say that some of these people aren’t too bright. I mean if brains were gasoline they wouldn’t be able to push a piss ants cart halfway around the inside of a cheerio. How is it that many of these folks feel that their opinion is the only one that matters. Insults are usually an ignorant persons way of compensating for their lack of inteligent contributions to any discussion. (volumn and insults, insults and volumn). Fortunately we don’t have to actually listen to there crying and whining. Typical Yankees fans. It burns your ass like a 2″ candle to be left out of the WS so you take out your frustations on Curt. Flushing NY, sounds like a good idea, maybe get some of those #@%*heads out. And don’t forget, this is our entertainment, a sport. This is another fine example of people getting angry over the insignificant things in life. Don’t forget our troops, the homeless, hungry kids all over the world, people dying from poverty and injustice. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everyone.

  528. pizzyp permalink
    December 22, 2007 9:20 pm

    Curt –

    After reading over 400 replies to this post, I think it is more than safe to say that only total uneducated idiots disagree with you.

    How sad is it that everyone who disagrees with Curt cannot spell or write coherently? I don’t think it’s much of a coincidence either. The point you make is very clear. The point they make is knot vary cleere.

    I challenge anyone who disagrees with Curt here to write a sentence that actually uses proper spelling and grammar. It might actually make some of us hear what you’re all saying. It helps. It’s so true what they say when we’re growing up: listen up and work hard in school, or you might end up sounding like a total fool on Curt Schilling’s blog.

    In the meantime, keep up the good work, Curt.

  529. wilkes8 permalink
    December 22, 2007 9:50 pm

    May I have a drumroll, please…….

    And the winner is: Selig and the other owners, who continue to line their collective pockets. These guys could care less about the consequences of their inaction.

    And the losers are: The innocent kids who abuse these dangerous drugs for a 1 in 10,000 shot of some day becoming a professional athlete.

    Like Ricky Ricardo might say: “The winners are goin’ to have some splanen’ to do” (to St. Peter that is)

  530. fathermark permalink
    December 22, 2007 11:33 pm

    Curt, I appreciate your attempt to bring truth to light, however you are not seeing the fine line between righteousness and self-righteousness. While we all understand these are your opinions, you can not claim they are “only” opinions because you hold a much higher, gigantic public profile than the rest of us.

    Unfortunately, you’re purporting guilt regardless of how you dress it up. Many of us look up to you in heroic fashion and because of this, there is a temptation to continually take the moral high road. While it’s easy to do, it doesn’t truly serve the soul as people think. You do so many great things for the world and your love of your family is beautiful to observe. I also love your passion, but you aren’t seeing where your opinions go astray with judgment – regardless of whether or not you are correct.

    I played small college baseball and hit .416 in the one year I played. I realized that I didn’t have it for the pros, because I couldn’t quite hit the long ball and I could only run at Big Papi speed. I could already play third base better than most big-leaguers and I had an absolute cannon. I chose not to continue, because of the harsh realization of the scouts shaking their heads while I ran down the first base line. I know that had I decided to take PED’s (instead of all the partying that I did), then all those outs on the warning tracks would have sailed a bit further and I might have legged out a couple of extra infield hits. PED’s would have brought me into slugger status and I would have been an easy .600+ hitter and a force to be reckoned with and most likely rich. This is where the greatest temptation lies.

    As we bring laser-like focus to the issue, the underlying evil of whoever cheated is greed. Pride is the sin of those who didn’t take PED’s and are beating their chest as a result. My sin in this arena is that I coveted the life of the major leaguer and because I couldn’t have it, I committed more sins in an attempt to feel like a superstar in other ways.

    I guess I’m asking you to take another look at your approach to controversial issues and the people involved. Even when you speak in support of the players that came forward, you do so in a fashion that comes across as condescending. You aren’t the moral compass and claiming “opinion” or saying something positive about individuals doesn’t exempt you from the actuality. In pointing this out, I have to be responsible in stating that I am also not the moral compass. That belongs to the One you and I worship. Instead of throwing cloaked judgments, try catching the beatitudes. I’d be happy to help you write more responsible commentary. Sometimes people seek out others for help with what they are trying to communicate, regardless of whether or not they are innocent. Some of your conclusions are as damaging and presenting them like an answer from “Jeopardy” doesn’t mean that you aren’t making claims and accusations.

    In the mean time, I’m praying for you and your family. If you or anyone reading this would like to contact me, please write to: fathermark1@gmail.com. Please Re: Curt Schilling, so I don’t just toss out your email.

    Merry Christmas and a Blessed New Year,

    In Christ, I remain,
    Father Mark Niznik, Pastor (and total Red Sox and Pats fan!)
    St. Paul Parish
    Belleview, Florida

  531. highlandwarrior permalink
    December 23, 2007 1:48 pm

    #517 “You Yankee fans are so bitter.” How would you feel if someone on the Yankee Board headed the investigation and it was done out of a single lab in the Boston area. Yeah the Red Sox have been on a roll but they have a LONG, LONG, way to go to catch up with the ammount of World Championships the Yankees have won. Please take a look at Manny’s physique when he played with Cleveland and compare it to now. Ortiz couldn’t even crack the Minnesota lineup. Are you Curt supporters naive enough to believe a single lab located in NY supplied the perfomance enhancing drugs for ALL of MLB? Maybe you are because you believed the bloody sock was real. I am quite sure that many players got them from other sources such as private doctors or the black market. You can go into any hardcore gym in the U.S. and find 10 roid dealers all of whom care much more about the money they are getting paid then ratting out players for some report so I would say that the report addressed only about 10% of the people that were using including I bet many players on Boston

  532. soxrex permalink
    December 23, 2007 3:30 pm

    It looks like you got your wish, Curt. Roger has posted a utube video and plans on talking with Mike Wallace on air. I am glad for him that he has decided to be very public, even though, as he says, he is angry about what he says are false allegations.
    This is a serious topic, and hearing you, Roger and others clearly state their opinions and experiences is vital. That direct voice gives us so much more; in particular it gives a face, a human being.

  533. yanksrdaclassofbball permalink
    December 23, 2007 4:24 pm

    Pizzyp,

    Why don’t you sit down and shut up! Your defense and sucking up to Curt is shameful. There’s been a lot of replies and a lot of people who make very lucid, intelligent arguments ( too bad Curt hasn’t done so). Either way, just come out and say you want to be head cheerleader for the Curt Schilling fan club and stop trying to act like you invented spellcheck, moron.

    P.S. The paragraph above contains no spelling mistakes…. DUH!!!

  534. lostthefight permalink
    December 23, 2007 11:45 pm

    Curt,

    First time/short time. Great blog of course. Not that I agree with you that often, but it’s entertaining.

    As far as the innocent until proven guilty theme is concerned, I would like to make a point. That standard of evidence is specifically used for one circumstance – when someone’s freedom is at stake. The phrase has a nice ring to it, but it really doesn’t apply anywhere else. And let’s not confuse the freedom to go where you want, buy what you want, do what you want, etc. with the freedom to be elected to the HOF or not have to face doubt about your achievements. As anyone who has done hard time will tell you, there is really no comparison between those two. Thus, the playing field for evidence and conclusions is much more even. And right now, Clemens isn’t looking to good. An accusation was made and published. I’m sure most readers of this blog are aware that the statements made by McNamee were made presence of federal law enforcement officers with the threat of criminal jeopardy if those statements were false. Clemens and anyone else who denies those statements faces no such potential retaliation.

    IMO if Clemens wants to clear his name, he’s made a start. But he probably should submit to some unfettered Q&A from a lot of different reporters with different perspectives and approaches. Probably throw in a lie test in order to tip the balance of evidence back in his favor. A statement made through his lawyer, a spliced vid on his website, and an interview with 60 minutes simply is insufficient. Just one person’s opinion of course.

  535. lostthefight permalink
    December 23, 2007 11:51 pm

    Spelling correction – “…not looking TOO good…”

  536. btmulcahy permalink
    December 24, 2007 8:14 am

    Curt,

    I wouldn’t be so quick to judgment on Clemens, especially in light of the fact that McNamee’s claims are not supported by any canceled checks or shipping documents.

    Although Pettitte has confirmed that McNamee’s claim regarding him was true, we also know that McNamee is willing to lie when it serves his interests since he denied any involvement with steroids when the Jason Grimsley list was first leaked.

    Why would McNamee lie about Clemens? Well Roger did fire him as his trainer earlier this year and folks who have been fired have been known to hold a grudge.

    As for McNamee himself, while he was investigated, but never charged in connection with an alleged sexual assault against a woman who had been slipped the “date rape drug” back in 2001, it was enough for the Yankees, who know the guy a lot better than we do, to let him go.

    Roger has now come out and denied the charges personally and has indicated that he will be sitting down with “60 Minutes” in the new year to address any and all questions.

    I don’t know either Clemens or McNamee personally, but if I have to choose to believe one guy over the other, I’m not going to go with the guy who is an admitted liar.

    And for those folks who think McNamee wouldn’t lie because he is cooperating with the government in the face of criminal charges, just ask Joe Salvati and Peter Limone who, along with the families of two other guys who died in prison, collected about $102 Million from the Federal Government after spending about 30 years in prison for a crime they didn’t commit thanks to the false testimony of Joseph “The Animal” Barbati, a cooperating government witness who was facing criminal charges.

  537. plaidseason permalink
    December 24, 2007 10:28 am

    Angst-ridden-responders:

    Maybe it’s time to stop hating Dan Duquette for claiming that Roger was at “the twilight” of his career and instead wonder exactly what it was the brought Roger back from the gloaming.

    I’ll also add, that for all mouthing off about the greatness of one Mr. Clemens, as lifelong Sox fan, I can tell you who I’d pick when my team was on the brink of elimination . . . I’ll give you a hint: he really, really likes John McCain, and when other guys are leaving games because of blisters, he’s bleeding through his sock on a surgically-rigged ankle.

    -Chris (Paul/Kucinich 2008)

  538. djete permalink
    December 24, 2007 12:13 pm

    Hey Curt,

    “I faced this last year when the L.A. Times reported that I used steroids. I said it was not true then. Now, the whole world knows it’s not true now that that’s come out.

    “It’s surfaced again later now with this Mitchell report. Let me be clear: The answer is no, I did not use steroids, human growth hormone, and I’ve never done so. I did not provide Brian McNamee with any drugs to inject into my body. Brian McNamee did not inject steroids or human growth hormone into my body, either when I played in Toronto for the Blue Jays, or the New York Yankees. This report is simply not true.”

    – Roger Clemens

    “Envy shoots at others and wounds itself” So again you went and opened your mouth too early, and grew the long list of people that can’t stand you. Now you are going to post another “well thought out” blog because you are either too much of a coward, or don’t have the professsional courtesy to pick up the phone and give the benefit of the doubt to someone you say you respect personally. Instead you hide behind your keyboard and gossip like you’re on “The View”. Where’s the comraderie of being a fellow baseball player? Is your goal in life after baseball to join the paparrazzi? I really wish that I could hear the conversation between Roger and yourself (if he ever wants to bother with you which I doubt) and hear you stammer away as he gives you another “undressing”. Donkey.

  539. bbbates58 permalink
    December 24, 2007 12:39 pm

    What can I add, I haven’t read the 500+ responses ahead of this one but just a few at the top. There are those who have to say things just to get under someone’s skin. You jealous of any other pitcher? Doubt it. What I wouldn’t have given to be anywhere in the dugout for a professional team, especially the Sox. To feel like you’re number 2 with any of the pitchers mentioned still has to feel incredible. To have had such an effect on the 04 Series. I also hope Clemens is able to clear his name. Then I can go back to believing the biggest travesty of his career was donning Yankee pinstripes.

    I appreciate the perspective offered here as being from somebody inside the game. I do understand the meaning of the phrase “my opinion”, as I am sure the majority of those that read this do. It’s not like I get to sit down to dinner with too many professional athletes of any sport.

    PS. Saw the Pats game and you with the Bruschi jersey. As phenominal as all the Pats are playing right now, Tedy is my favorite due to his work ethic, personality, etc. Next would be Troy Brown, willingness to do anything for the team. This team first mentality sure seems to be paying dividends in New England.

  540. roseyf16 permalink
    December 24, 2007 2:50 pm

    Lots of kids will be asking for their two front teeth this Christmas. All I want is the truth from Roger Clemens regarding his alleged use of steroids and HGH. Unfortunately for me and millions of other baseball fans, there is a very strong chance we will never know the truth.

    There will be those who step up in defense of Roger Clemens. His family … friends … lawyer … agent … former teammates, etc… Nothing they say can assure us of the truth.

    Does Roger’s plan to be interviewed by Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes mean we will hear the truth? No, it means we will hear what Roger wants the public to hear. It could be the truth. It could be a lie. we won’t know for sure.

    To be fair, we can’t be sure Kirk Radomski (N.Y. Mets) or Brian McNamee (Blue Jays, Yankees, and personal trainer to Clemens and Pettitte) are telling the truth either. Even if Roger himself stands up in front of everyone and denies the allegations, we can’t be sure of the truth.

    Roger Clemens could have made a statement the day the Mitchell Report was released, as many suggested he should have done if he were innocent. That would not have assured us of the truth. Even if Roger makes a statement a week, month, or year from now, be it in front of Congress with his finger wagging (been there, seen that) or in front of a podium at Minute Maid Park, it will not assure us of the truth.

    What can we be sure of? We can certainly acknowledge that Jose Canseco was telling the truth. We can even acknowledge, to some extent, that Brian McNamee was telling the truth. Andy Pettitte’s admission to using HGH verified that.

    People are going to form their own opinions. What sportswriters and commentators say will certainly have influence. But at the end of the day, what any of these individuals have to offer is no different than what each of us have already: an opinion! And sadly, opinions don’t equal the truth.

    Am I willing to give Roger Clemens the benefit of the doubt? Given his age and the level of his performance during the latter stages of his career, no. When I consider the number of steroid denials made by world class athletes over the past few years – denials that were eventually proven to be lies, no. I’m sorry. I just can’t do it. I can’t give Roger the benefit of the doubt when he has more to gain by lying than by telling the truth.

    What does Brian McNamee have to gain by lying? Nothing, really. He doesn’t have much to lose either. For this reason, along with Andy Pettitte’s admission, I am more inclined to trust Brian McNamee than Roger. And that’s sad, isn’t it?

    The best thing sportswriters and commentators can do is insist that Roger Clemens, and any other potential hall of famer named in the report, submit to a lie detector test administered by a reputable firm. If sportswriters and commentators insist long enough and loud enough, these individuals – including Roger – will have to answer. If they refuse to take the test, that will tell all of us what many already suspect. If Roger and others agree and the test shows they are being truthful, then I will support them for the Hall of Fame. I would expect those of you with a vote to do the same.

    Keith Rosenkranz
    roseyf16@attglobal.net

  541. majorip permalink
    December 24, 2007 5:56 pm

    To hell on who i’m for or against, this is all crap! Again, Curt, you are just as guilty because you knew. Bud Selig knew and If were him I would resign. You can’t tell me Curt Shilling didn’t know, Bud Selig didn’t know, and any other players, trainers, managers, owners, etc. didn’t know. I don’t buy it. This was the best kept secret of the 1990s and that even though numerous records were broken. And Curt, since this is your blogging ground, I find it my responsibiliy to tell you, the players union, and MLB, your generation has (in the name of money and greed) disgraced the game worse than the black sox scandel and pete rose affair can together ever disgrace the game. Are you proud of the reputation your generation has produced? Some people on this blog have responded to you as if you were inadept. I find all players of this generation in the same boot. Noone has bothered to make it their business to blow the whistle and noone has bothered to address this in any manner. Even the “wanna be commisioner” is a disgrace.

    Instead of finger pointing do something about it. Did you or anyone else ever start to think about what an effect this has on the youth of America?

    Again, show what you are made of DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!

    This is nothing personal against you, the red sox or any other team. I just want this game to be legit and fair and being a motivator for our youth.

    I think I just stroke out the side in 12 pitches (not 38). You lose!

  542. fenwaytn permalink
    December 24, 2007 7:10 pm

    pizzyp and yanksrdaclassofbball,

    yanksrdaclassofbball:
    Ok, now go tell Goose Gossage to take his opinions and stick them where the sun doesn’t shine. He makes the same arguments as Schilling.

    Agreeing with Schilling does not make pizzyp (or Goose Gossage) a suck-up. (It also does not make them right.) Before you get too proud of your use of the English language, you should know that “There’s been” is not proper English, at all.

    I won’t claim my grammar is perfect, so feel free to throw stones at me from within that glass house of yours. At anyrate, I don’t mean to pick on you, but I think you could find more constructive arguments than simply calling someone a “moron”.

    pizzyp:
    I don’t think one has to be an idiot to disagree with Curt. I think only an idiot would agree with EVERYTHING another person says. I agree with a lot of things he says, but not everything. I do greatly appreciate that he shares his thoughts with us. He seems to be a man of great integrity. In reading the post which prompted yanksrdclassofbball’s attack on you, I thought that you were acting a bit pretentious. I’m actually impress that more folks besides yanksrdaclassofbball didn’t come down on you.

    To both of you:
    Remember, when you’re trying to win an argument, you’re not going to sway others by calling them stupid.

    Now, when the bell rings, come out fighting.

  543. fenwaytn permalink
    December 24, 2007 7:12 pm

    See I made a typo! I told you I wasn’t perfect. Thank God, I’m human!

  544. mjschip permalink
    December 24, 2007 7:14 pm

    Sorry Curt but I think you have lost track of the subject. What about the other drugs? Pitching in the World Series with a post-op bleeding ankle, I find it difficult to believe that you were not on any pain medication more specifically narcotics like codeine, dilaudid, oxycontin. Why not? They do it all the time in the NFL even the announcers mention it on National TV ” there’s so and so going to the locker, probably get a pain shot”. These drugs enhanc performance by killing all pain and our illegal during competition (WADA).
    I think we all agree we don’t want our kids taking pain killers, something more available then steroids and HGH and way more addictive.

    MJ

  545. dodgersangelsfan permalink
    December 25, 2007 12:49 am

    Whether these players took steroids, HGH, etc or not, the fact is, SOME players have and the rest of MLB, owners and players, looked the other way.

    Curt, when will the players (since you can’t speak for the owners) stand up and say that testing is needed and that ANY player who is 100% confirmed as having used steroids be suspended in such a way as to serve as a deterrent to others thinking of using, as well? Jose Canseco was suspected of using steroids almost two decades ago, yet the owners and players take a seemingly Casablanca view of this issue (i.e., “We are shocked, just shocked that players have used PEDs!!”). The players have not spoken up when seeing teammates use. I understand that you and the other non-using players did not have 100% proof that this was happening, but there most certaintly had to have been the tell-tale signs.

    The way I look at it, is that this problem will get worse before it gets better. A lot more players will be exposed as having used and at that point, it will look as if more than most were on the juice and thus, all stats in baseball for the last few decades in baseball should have an asterisk.

  546. billrollo permalink
    December 25, 2007 8:41 am

    In my humble opinion, The senator screwed up. I asked well before the report came out “what was the end game”. To destroy baseball or to have it go forward as the great sport that it is. Was the intent to “set the record straight?” or Shame several players for “cheating”.
    And why just before christmas. Are not there other issues that we could discussing other then “did you hear what Roger did”… The report read like a junior high gossip colum, backed up by “facts ” fro the kid who got caught stealing from the cookie jar. One fact is clear. when you look at the streiod era. all of the baseball family was compliciate. The owners, managers, trainers, players, sports writers and fan. We all “new” but were way more intereseted in the reults.
    If Mitchell wanted to end the sy controver, he could have simply stated that at a minimum 80players were involved in drug use. From Cy young to mvp to gloden gloves to wanna be’s. Nothing good will come out naming names. If Mitchell and baseball had wanted to make a real diffence all that need to be done was to establish a policy that simply stated from this day forward “one strike and you are banned from baseball for life”

  547. principallyspeaking permalink
    December 25, 2007 9:40 am

    Curt:

    Thanks for taking a stand on the issue of HGH and steroid usage (even if the stand may be a bit late – something all of MLB can relate with).

    I never cease to be amazed by the folks out there who find the need to argue their point by calling someone names or by throwing insults around. I suspect it has something to do with the “bell curve” and where some of those special folks happen to be in that frame of thinking.

    In reading your post, I could not find one single remark made which disparaged or defamed Rodger Clemens or his collective body of work. Your comments spoke only of awe and respect. I do not believe that you are in anyway jealous of his accomplishments, but rather, are appreciative of them and their ability to inspire you and your personal work ethic. To lose that admiration would be something you clearly would be frustrated by.

    MLB will continue to suffer this fate of public embarrassment and mistrust until the one body which truly wields power steps up to the proverbial plate. That power comes from the players union and not anyone else. Testing for substances will only offer cheaters opportunities to continue to cheat. Players need to rise to the challenge of policing their own, and making the culture of professionalism and ethical behavior in sports the norm and not the minority. Only then will players feel free to speak out about peers through the collective voice of their own union. Yet, I don’t see this happening too soon. The power of money all too often clouds even the best of athletes hoping to reap more profit and fame than might be obtained through honest play. I hope I am wrong.

    All the best Curt – Merry Christmas!

  548. yanksrdaclassofbball permalink
    December 25, 2007 3:01 pm

    Dear Fenwaytn,

    Thanks for your intelligent input. Unfortunately intelligent input is not always found here (myself sometimes included). I respect everyone’s right to their opinion, however, in this instance, I think Curt went a little overboard. Apparently I’m not the only one, either. And a few people that chimed in about the attacks on Curt being perpetrated by “Skankee” fans, need to read all the posts. Many of the posts AGAINST Curt were from Sox fans, disproving my theory that all Sox fans were morons, I stand corrected. Anyway, I think the subject has been beat to death….I’m tired of talking about it. I will not be confrontational today, as it is Christmas and it is a day of being thankful for a years worth of Blessings. So…Merry Christmas to ALL (even Sox fans) we can pick up the fight tomorrow 🙂 Peace to all

    Sincerely, Yanksrdaclassofbball.

  549. whoofmyspace permalink
    December 26, 2007 10:56 am

    Hey Curt,

    I don’t know if you read these late entries way in the back or not, but… I have to say that I’ve been reading your blogs for a few months now, but I developed a respect for you from this one. Previously, to me and many others, you do come off as egotistical sometimes.

    Seeing how you acknowledge playing behind 3 of the greatest pitchers in this era has somehow humanized you through my eyes. I finally get that you’re not arrogant, you’re just outspoken just like we rabid Red Sox and Yankees fans are. You ARE a fan of baseball, and of life, and thus you get just as worked up as we do. I hope you never lose that passion for the game.

    As far as Roger Clemens goes, he was my boyhood hero, and the joy he gave to me didn’t change when I watched Heathcliff Slocumb flush win after win down the toilet on him; and it didn’t change when Duquette decided that he was in the twilight of his career and traded him away; and it also didn’t change when I saw him put on the uniform of the hated Yankees. That joy was real, and it can ever be taken because I hold it in my heart.

    All that being said, I watched the youtube video Clemens put out, and I think he’s a liar. It still doesn’t change the joy he once gave to me, but if he did steroids, he deserves whatever consequences come his way; short of physical harm.

    Anyway, great blog! Keep doing your thing (even though I disagree with about 90% of what you say). 🙂

  550. ump93 permalink
    December 26, 2007 11:13 am

    Hi Curt. I cannot believe some of these comments these idiots are
    making. The majority of the named players in the report have come
    foward and admitting at least once of doing some type of illigal
    substance.
    Now we have Mr. Clement the MOST selfish and pampered
    athlete in modern day history, and He thinks all he need to say is (I didnt do it) and all is forgotten.
    Well it is true Americans must be proven guilty before they are sentenced, however Mr. Clement is not or does not expect to be treated like most of us Americans.
    We are not going to be voted in the Baseball Hall of fame. He is. The burden is on him to clear any slender as a player and as a person.
    As you said mr. Shilling we here have a law process that takes care of slander and its called a Law suit.
    So Mr. Clement take that course of action and we will believe you.
    If you dont has far has I see You are no better then the proven guilty.
    I have been a Red sox fan since 1966 loved Roger Clement ability
    Hated him for is self centered ways, but will always respect his work ectics
    and ability.
    However for him to be voted in the Hall he Must come clean.
    Send a message to all inspiring Major League players High School, American Leagion, College. I know I have been umpiring them for the last
    fifteen Years. they emulate the Stars
    Ps. Thank You mr. Shilling for helping bring the Joy of a long waited World Championship to all Sox fans, and looking foward for a great 2008 from you and the Team.
    Sal C. North Haven Conn.

  551. hanthorn permalink
    December 26, 2007 11:27 am

    Ok, Curt. Roger’s lawyer is now investigating the allegations. Can Roger go into the hall of fame now? Sigh…..

  552. primetm34 permalink
    December 26, 2007 4:47 pm

    Anyone think it’s just a coincidence that no prominent red sox, brewers, or rangers were named in the Mitchell Reprt, Mitchell, works for the Sox, Selig owned the Brewers, Bush owned the Rangers.

  553. surrealsoxfan permalink
    December 26, 2007 6:46 pm

    Curt-
    Gratz on another great season in ‘Red Sox…….love your blogs! Realizing that professional sports are essentially grown men ( albeit gifted ones) playing children’s games, it’s still refreshing to find an athlete that has the insight, integrity and brass ones ( not to mention time) to blog about relevant issues affecting all of us; whether it be steroids in sports, national politics, veterans issues, whatever……your posts are thoughtful, revealing and generally non-judgemental. I’ve read and re-read your initial post regarding Roger Clemens’ responsibility to himself, the fans and baseball at large to refute and disprove as strongly and expediantly as possible any and all accusations that he was “juiced” or knowingly used PED’s……I thought it was a great point and am sure if your name was on that report you would accept the fact that it would be your responsibility to do the same. And you strike your many fans here as a man that would; no question about that.
    I have enjoyed the many replies to your blog from the outright Yankee fans, the closet Yankee fans, the “band-wagon” Yankee fans, the yankee-fan-when-we’re-winning Yankee fans, and all those other psuedo-wannabe Yankee fans that hide on the Internet,……I have one thing to say to all of you NY fans……
    Given historical precedent ( say like, the last four years) how does it grab you that you are essentially ensured of at least ten more years of no championships/ trophy/rings? The NY managerial “braintrust” (<— and believe me, I use that term loosely) has recently signed what is arguably one of the biggest busts in recent professional sports history to a 10 year contract. Who no one will EVER accuse of juicing cuz he’s such a girl. Maybe if Derek would just give him a hug in the dugout every now ‘n again he’d be able to perform in the post-season. Maybe not, some guys just can’t handle the pressure of big games. But I divurge……
    Roger needs to clear himself, just as Barry does…….or be a real man like Jason or Andy and say, “Yeah I did it”, and let the chips fall where they may…..

    Can’t wait for your next blog……