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February 1, 2010

In light of the accusations and barbs being thrown back and forth, here’s yet another piece about those trustworthy souls behind the trillions of dollars spent, being spent, and wanting to be spent, to save the planet.
Look I honestly think man has had an impact on the earth and our treatment, or abuse as the case may be, of her. However These men are responsible for shaping global policy, and that means TRILLIONS of dollars that could be spent at home, in our own countries, helping our own people, and that’s the shame, well one of them at least.
I said it way back when, when asked about Mark and his testimony, there’s “I never used Steroids or HGH” and then there’s every other answer but that, it’s not that complicated, it usually never is.
This excerpt right here

Days after receiving the request for information from the British climate change sceptic David Holland, Jones asked Prof Mike Mann of Pennsylvania State University in the United States: “Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4? Keith will do likewise.

“Can you also email Gene [Eugene Wahl, a paleoclimatologist in Boulder, Colorado] and get him to do the same … We will be getting Caspar [Ammann, also from Boulder] to do the same.”

If you were telling the truth, if your data was rock solid, there is not one reason on this planet why you’d EVER hide or doctor data as it relates to the “Global Warming Crisis”. Al Gore SHOULD give his NPP back as that entire movie was based on scientific ‘findings’ by this committee and others that used this committee’s data as their source material.

20 Comments leave one →
  1. kevinwburke permalink
    February 1, 2010 8:52 pm

    If it walks like a duck…..

  2. superjax permalink
    February 1, 2010 10:27 pm

    Curt, you’re rather selective in your excerpts, aren’t you? I guess you didn’t find this one pertinent. “The revelations on the inadequacies of the 1990 paper do not undermine the case that humans are causing climate change , and other studies have produced similar findings.”

    So your watchdog dirt diggers have discovered that some climate scientists deleted some e-mails. And that somehow means to you that the Larsen B ice shelf didn’t actually melt and fall off of Antartica and sea levels aren’t actually rising? Waiter, reality check please!

    • jbarnet1 permalink
      February 10, 2010 11:25 am

      You can cherry pick any set of observed data to reinforce your point of view, but the fact remains that data was INTENTIONALLY deleted because it did not agree with the cherry picked data.

  3. 38k010407 permalink
    February 1, 2010 11:56 pm

    The fact that Al Gore won a NPP for this makes our country and complete laughing stock. Even if the Earth was warming because of human overuse, what the hell are the experts going to do about it. I know, raise taxes and it will all go away…lmao.

  4. 38k010407 permalink
    February 2, 2010 12:14 am

    The Trillions of dollars being thrown away on gov’t BS programs could be going to causes like supporting our troops. These men and women are putting their asses on the line so that our gov’t can focus on increasing BS spending daily. What, do they really think that they can keep printing money to cover the debt. This administration is going to make a new meaning out of inflation. Sad, but true.

  5. 4idsoxfan permalink
    February 2, 2010 8:26 am

    Like the black holes in the Nixon tapes … except then the left was willing, nay – frothing at the mouth, to assume a massive, evil cover up. This, I assume, they’ll argue is just people cleaning out their emails to save room on their hard drives.

    Climate change is happening – there’s no doubt. But it’s entirely subject to honest debate what the causes are, what it means and what the consequences will be. Historic cycles of global warming and cooling have been known and studied for years.

    Man made global warming is an extreme-left fabrication. The zillion-dollar industry created around it is a crime.

    • February 10, 2010 3:07 pm

      Actually, amongst the scientists, the guys who did this kind of thing- covering up contrary evidence that invalidates their study- are now outcasts. They’re discredited and shunned.

      You know why? Because those few bad apples are giving all the rest of the scientists a bad name.

      The “industry” around climate change is tiny compared with the industry that’s directly threatened by the implications of the scientific evidence. The evidence points to activities that crank carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and says “these are warming up the planet.”

      The oil, natural gas, and coal industries are huge. They’re gigantic. They’re far, far bigger than any “industry” that’s currently existing or even proposed. Just look at the Forbes listing of the biggest corporations in the world…

      1) Royal Dutch Shell (oil company)
      2) Exxon Mobil (oil company)
      3) Wal-Mart (retailer)
      4) BP (oil company)
      5) Chevron (oil company)
      6) Total (oil company)
      7) Conoco Phillips (oil company)
      8) ING group (banking)
      9) Sinopec (oil company)
      10) Toyota Motor (automobiles)

      7 of the top 10 corporations in the world are oil/gas companies.

      To suggest that the climate change “side” of the argument is somehow this big, powerful cartel that’s dedicated to enslave the rest of us is utterly ridiculous. Climate change has nothing to do with politics, left or right.

      In fact, it’s awfully ironic that “conservatives” are the ones defending these mammoth, multinational oil corporations and their TRILLIONS of dollars of revenue. Conservatives should, by their name, believe in conserving the earth. Instead, they’re on the side of the guys who want zero restrictions on pumping oil and gas from the ground and into the atmosphere.

      Money and power? Believe me, it’s ALL on the side of those who’re denying climate change. You know what the revenues of those oil companies mentioned above is?

      $2,204,676,000,000.

      That’s TWO TRILLION dollars- just among 7 companies.

      If you take the top 20 petroleum companies, their total revenues are $3,608,244,000,000.

      [b]Three and a half trillion dollars.[/b]

      Don’t EVEN pretend that the oil and gas industry doesn’t have far, far, far more to lose, and far more money, than the scientists who are, by and large, working in non-profit colleges and universities around the world.

      Doubt the science if you want- that’s up to you. But don’t be fooled into which side has all the money and power- that’s the side that’s likely spending way, way more to manipulate you into believing their propaganda.

      • February 10, 2010 7:06 pm

        Wal-Mart has come around at least a little bit. They are very interested in mapping their resource flows and their environmental impact with life-cycle analysis under ISO 1400 standards. This is no purely altruistic act on their part—mapping and reducing their resource impact can substantially help them increase the bottom line.

        As to the rest of your post, you are exactly correct about the power behind the fossil fuel industry. The coal and oil giants don’t have much to gain from climate change legislation. In fact, they have much to lose if their market share decreases and their cost of doing business increases in the face of growing climate change and the associated altered weather patterns.

      • shutiggyupdotcom permalink
        February 11, 2010 7:44 am

        Enumclaw, put down the crack pipe. Those companies will all make the same amount of money not matter how much cap-and-tax like legislation goes through. As with all taxes on businesses, the cost is ultimately passed on to the end-consumer; us. I know that is a hard to understand for a Marxist-Leninist who has been brainwashed by left-wing teachers into hating all the “evil, greedy corporations”, but it is a fact.

        The people who stand to lose are the frauds like Al Gore who are personally making millions a year on this scam, the fraud scientists who get millions of tax dollars a year to study things like the effects of climate change on the bowel functions of Chilean yellow spotted frog-bears, and the one-world government hacks who want to reduce the standard of living in the West, in their attempts to create a single, socialist, equal (and very low) standard of living.

  6. oregonsoxfan permalink
    February 2, 2010 9:32 pm

    Curt,

    You need to read “The Creature from Jekyll Island, A Second Look at the Federal Reserve.” Not only a fascinating read about our monetary system and the people that control it, but the book also discusses the “Report from Iron Mountain,” a think tank study released in 1966. The report asks what a “world” government could use as a substitute for war to legitimize and perpetuate itself and concludes there is no substitute unless it has 3 qualities: it must be 1) economically wasteful, 2) represent a credible threat of great magnitude, and 3) provide a logical excuse for compulsory service to the government. The most likely candidate to fit the bill is an environmental-pollution model. While partly based on fact and observable conditions, the accuracy of predictions isn’t important if the goal is to convince people to “accept a falling standard of living, tax increases and bureaucratic intervention in their lives as simply, “the price we must pay to save Mother Earth.””

    G. Edward Griffin the author of the above book believes the environmental movement was created by the Council on Foreign Relations as “the substitute of war they hope will become the emotional and pyschological foundation for world government.”

    As for me, I refuse to be a lemming anymore.

    • February 10, 2010 2:54 pm

      Why do those on the Right traffic in all of these conspiracy theories?

      Conservatives in this country no longer are about doing what conservatives in the Burkean sense should be about—preserving the good in institutions so that the popular whim of the moment doesn’t poison political decision-making and degrade the culture.

      Today, however, the Right is nothing but one conspiracy theory after another. They truly are a slave to the paranoid style Richard Hofstadter warned about in his famous 1960s essay “The Paranoid Style in American Politics”.

      Between the unfounded Birther movement and the Palin Death Panels controversy. I’m sick of this stuff.

      The Council on Foreign Relations is not a nefarious organization planning how to surrender US sovereignty to a global UN government or whatever… They are just a think tank where a lot of establishment folks well connected in business and politics in NY and DC speak about international affairs. No more and no less.

  7. kdalton69 permalink
    February 3, 2010 11:18 am

    Amazing how all this stuff has suddenly come to light after years of suspicion and double talk from “experts.” I think this article sums it up nicely.

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2504944&p=2

    No one has taken the NPP seriously since they gave it to Arafat.

  8. jasonfreeman2000 permalink
    February 3, 2010 1:00 pm

    Wow, you can cut and paste stolen emails!! What ever happened to rights of privacy, and CONTEXT!!!! Why is it that you refuse to read the 3000 pages of data that show the clear rise of CO2 and earth temperature since the existance of mankind? Same reason you refuse to admit Iraq was not part of the War on Terror, same reason you can’t admit the deficit is a caused by Republican policy! Same reason you stand for smaller government and still support the PATRIOT ACT! What’s the reason, YOU ARE IGNORANT! You are a spoiled millionaire who obviously has too much time on you hands. Why don’t you help Bill Gates fix education in this country instead of putting your efforts into stopping Health Care Refom.

    Try and remember something about your life, Curt. You were born with a special gift, throwing a baseball. This is the reason you have millions of dollars. I am in college, going into politics and working a full time job, and sometimes 2 full time jobs. I am not complaining about the fact that you and I didn’t have the same opportunities for success, or failure for that matter. I am bothered by the fact that you don’t see it that way. Conservatives believe in equity of opportunity right? It is troubling to see someone who devotes so much energy to helping sick people go out of his way to screw up Health Care. I am not trying to inflate you already swelled head, but ask the doctors and nurses if we need to fix our Health Care system.

    I wonder if you will have regrets when it finally sinks in that you are the lemming. That you have been used by people who only care about money. There are only two possibilities, either you won’t acknowledge it because your ego won’t allow it, or you are one of those people.

  9. oregonsoxfan permalink
    February 3, 2010 4:17 pm

    kdalton69:

    Good find on the article and from it this,

    “the scientist in charge of the glacier chapter of the IPCC’s latest assessment report (AR4) admitted he had known the melt estimate was wrong but had included it anyway because “we thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action.”

    That’s not climate science, it’s environmental activism, pure and simple — using misleading figures to whip up alarm and bring about political action.”

    makes Griffin, who published his book in 1998, look like a prophet.

  10. February 7, 2010 5:42 pm

    You’re making a classic mistake here, Curt. You are assuming that *any* hint of misdoing by *any* climate scientist invalidates *all* of them. You are talking as though this one particular potentially-flawed study being shown to have issues and probable cover-ups proves that they are ALL wrong and faked.

    The reality is that multiple *other* studies of this same issue have shown the same thing as this one.

    Here’s an example that most folks can probably relate to. Remember OJ Simpson? Slaughtered his wife and her friend? Bloody gloves, shoeprints, all kinds of evidence?

    Well, the defense in that case did a tremendous job of trying to invalidate anything and everything they could, to hide the truth. They got the jury to believe that if *any* bit of evidence was somehow flawed, that it therefore showed that *all* of the evidence was flawed.

    The defense got the jury to believe that they had to be “beyond a reasonable doubt” about everything the prosecution offered.

    This isn’t really the case, of course. You could have a murder where 15 people line up and say “I saw this dude beat this guy to death with a stick” and one other guy says “no, he didn’t” and the single guy’s testimony doesn’t invalidate the entire case.

    Or, in OJ’s case, the fact that at least one of the detectives was a racist jerkoff doesn’t mean that all of the blood that the cops found was somehow invalid evidence.

    Years later, we all know the truth- OJ did it. The fact that a few items of evidence were implicated by the defense doesn’t change that fact.

    Well, same thing when it comes to climate change. Yeah, this one study looks to be flawed- but there’s multiple OTHER studies that have no demonstrated problems that say the same thing.

    Curt, you and the people who are being so skeptical are being manipulated by the huge, powerful, big money interests that stand to lose trillions if we seriously change the way our world works. They have you thinking that the climate change scientists and yes, people like Al Gore, are making this stuff up because they want to control your life.

    The vast majority of those scientists don’t care one bit about controlling your life. Some are Democratic party members, some are Republican party members, many are independent, and many don’t give a toot about politics.

    They’re just doing their studies and doing their science, and the science shows that the earth is getting warmer at a faster rate (by a long ways) than it ever has before. The science also shows that it’s in large part because of the activities of humans.

    That’s the science, man, and this single invalid study in the middle of hundreds of studies with no problems doesn’t disprove that.

    That same scientific study, by the way, is what led to the medical work that kept your career going (along with the amazing amount of courage and determination and smarts that you’ve brought to the game) for longer than a guy in, say, the 1950s would have been able to play.

    It’s not political- it’s science. One wacko doctor implanting Octo-mom with all those babies doesn’t mean that all OB/GYNs are nutjobs, and one bad study (or even several bad studies) doesn’t mean that the other thousand studies are bad.

  11. purpleturtle13 permalink
    February 8, 2010 10:23 am

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  12. shutiggyupdotcom permalink
    February 8, 2010 3:01 pm

    Give back his NPP? For trying to sell out his country’s economic life, he should be tried and shot for sedition and treason.

    • February 10, 2010 2:51 pm

      This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that has led to our country being unable to move forward and make any progress on political issues.

      There is ZERO evidence that Gore is “trying to sell out his country’s economic life”. You might disagree with his proposals; you might even be skeptical that climate change is really happening.

      But to say that “he should be shot” because you think his motive is to wreck the nation is completely without evidence. It’s a McCarthy-like witchhunt. It’s completely crap and it leads to people being unable to politely disagree on an issue.

  13. jbarnet1 permalink
    February 10, 2010 11:28 am

    As a Yankee fan, please don’t re-sign Beckett. He is great!

    PS: I don’t want the Yankees to pursue Beckett because I’m tired of buying players.

  14. February 10, 2010 2:48 pm

    Curt,
    Nick again from Columbia University. I commented on your Jan 31st post on climate change, so I will not rehash those remarks too much here. However, what I will say is this—I’m disappointed that a man as fine and upstanding as yourself would associate himself with the very worst anti-intellectual/anti-science movements in the country. The two worst obviously are the religious fundamentalists opposing the well-established and well-founded theory of evolution and the fossil fuel lobby’s attempts to distort climate change evidence even though the evidence for man-made climate change is really quite strong. This country, at its peak of prestige and prosperity, from WWII through much of the middle decades of the 20th century, was a country built upon understanding the importance of progress and expanding freedom and prosperity for all. At the root was the frontier mentality so eloquently preached from the bully pulpit of the JFK White House. We put a man on the moon within one decade of JFK’s progress. We did that because not only was US pride at stake in the space race competition with the Soviets, but also because this country believed in the power of science to unpeel the layers of mystery in the universe and because this country believed in the value of knowledge gained from the scientific processes as a roadmap for designing solutions to solve problems affecting the nation as a community.

    Climate change is no different—we should take the mentality tha de-carbonizing our infrastructure represents the road map for future economic growth. It’s the opportunity that hard, reasoned-base science presents; and America will only remain great if it seizes this opportunity as we seized the challenge of conquering space. The technologies developed during the Space Age race to the moon formed the bedrock of what would eventually become the telecommunication revolution that has allowed the conversation which we are having today on 38 pitches. Government, citizens, civic organizations, companies, etc. worked together to meet a common challenge rooted in respect for scientific discovery.

    Now we know that our reliance upon fossil fuels threatens our economy—it’ll be very difficult to grow enough food to feed our population much less a world heading to 8-9 billion people if the global average temperature is even 2C warmer than now. It will be difficult to imagine any economy where agriculture becomes too difficult, even the United States will be fragile and find itself vulnerable under even moderate warming scenarios. But the time to act to protect our future and protect our children is now. We must act, to not act would be to abdicate our responsibility to reason and to the well-being of those we love and care about. America would also forego its position as a country dedicated to expanding freedom and advancing science and technology such that we can remain that shining city on a hill that is a beacon for all.

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