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Intent?

April 18, 2008

You just cannot throw a ball BEHIND someone when you are trying to throw a strike, or even a ball in. A stray breaking ball sure, but that’s even rare to impossible. A ball sailing behind a hitter, one that’s hit 2 bombs, is a ball being thrown at a guy.

The rule in place now gives umpires authority to eject a pitcher if for any reason he suspects a hitter is intentionally thrown at. How that didn’t happen with a veteran guy like Larry Vanover is beyond me.

The problem today is that the rule is so ambiguous, and you really have no idea what is going to happen from umpire to umpire (being that I have seen umpires eject pitchers for hitting batters with curve balls) that it’s almost a case where hitting a player in retaliation is almost more selfish and irresponsible than not. It used to be a very clear cut process, no matter how infantile, you purposely throw at our guy, we get one of yours, game over. Now it seems that you need to be the FIRST to do it, to avoid ejections and suspensions, and that’s with the hope that the umpire won’t just eject anyone and everyone he thinks is involved.

I understand the leagues desire to curb all the bench clearing crap being the motivator to give the umpires the ability to head problems off before they start, but tonight was a clear cut scenario that the rule was specifically created for, absolutely no doubt.

When you see the hitters the next inning acting very skittish and tentative on the 1st pitches of ABs you know that they know what’s going on.

At the end of the day, we win, so it’s all good, and there’s still 140 some games to play…….

86 Comments leave one →
  1. cctx7979 permalink
    April 18, 2008 1:41 am

    And once again the Sox prove why they are the ball club they are. Any other team would have rushed the mound, or retaliated with their own pitcher. This is why the Red Sox have the greatest fans in the game.

  2. gregoden3034 permalink
    April 18, 2008 2:47 am

    If Farnsworth was throwing at Manny for hitting 2 hr’s, that’s total BS. However, Aardsma drilled A-Rod in the back on Wednesday night, and I tend to think that was intentional. Aardsma drilled A-Rod in the back with a fastball too, and I think Farnsworth was retaliating for A-Rod getting hit. Aardsma hit our best hitter, Farnsworth threw at your best hitter.

  3. soxsweepagain permalink
    April 18, 2008 3:23 am

    Farnsworth=intentional.
    Aardsma=perhaps intentional.

    Debatable.

  4. kathyinct permalink
    April 18, 2008 3:39 am

    Just checkin in Curt , it’s been a while. Had to reply to this with heck yeah, we won AND won the matchup series 3 to 2. Great way to get my Yankee friends mad with that stat!

    And, man, Manny! I got a new name for him. Dreadpower, or do we call it Dreadspower! He and I can not forget to name Tek and Youk are on fire! I just thought to myself, how he is unbelievable so far and it came to me with the humor in me: Manny’s dreads may be doing somethin for him and I came up with that name for him! One last note, I still think they should give Tek that miscalled homerun for his 08 stats. This can be a crucial homerun that can give him that “500″ total one day! Ok, he may be far from it, but I think you can see where I am coming from. Be well! You guys are lookin awesome and may it continue. I feel like the season of 07 never ended.

  5. April 18, 2008 5:54 am

    Aardsma hit our best hitter, Farnsworth threw at your best hitter.

    Aardsma hit A-Rod in the back. Farnsworth threw at Manny’s head. Do you understand the difference? If not, have you ever actually seen a baseball in your life?

    No one is complaining about Farnsworth throwing at Manny. That’s part of the game. The problem is that Farnsworth tried to seriously injure Manny. That’s not part of the game, and Farnsworth should be out of it.

  6. fanofallthingsboston permalink
    April 18, 2008 7:15 am

    cctx, no disrespect but your comments are exactly why Boston fans have a poor reputation. Not as fans, but as ignorant jerks. How does Manny’s reaction to Farnsworth throwing at him have anything to do with how great Red Sox fans are? I’m a Sox fan and personally I get embarrassed by other Sox fans and their behavior. I was at the Friday night game in Fenway last week when we got waxed by the Yankees. 2 things happend that night that struck me. 1 good and 1 bad. First comes the “yankees suck” chant in the 7th inning when we are losing! I might dislike that Yankees as much as the next guy, but that chant needs to go. It’s an embarrassment. Second, was in the 8th inning with Manny and Papi coming up, I believe the Sox were down about 4 runs then place was electric in support of them. In all my years as a season ticket holder that is the first time I remember the fans actually getting behind the team in a seemingly hopeless situation late in the game to try and motivate the team. It was great. I wish the self-proclaimed greatest fans in the world would do more of the latter than the former. And this is from one of the die hard fans. Yankees Suck chants need to go and more rallying the troops when they are flat is needed. Curt, how do you feel about that dumb chant? does it embarrass you as a player or do you not notice it at all?

  7. jsosb1969 permalink
    April 18, 2008 7:52 am

    Curt – you’re wrong…you CAN accidentally throw behind someone…just ask Josh Beckett when he accidentally throws behind ARod in July…lol. Is it me or does Kyle Farnsworth look a lot like Guy Pearce (Memento -2000).

    Too bad he acts a lot like Mr. Hankey looks – a piece of s**t.

  8. texaskid permalink
    April 18, 2008 8:16 am

    Then Mussina hit Ellsbury last night why? Seems like the Yankees pitchers are either trying to be bullies or they need to start bringing replacements up from AAA because they’re not sure where the strike zone is anymore. Either that or they are immature and think- well, you hit one of our batters – so we’re going to have all of our pitchers throw at yours? Please. It was obvious that Farnsworth intentionally threw at Manny last night. That’s why the Sox are the classier team.

  9. bosoxfan61 permalink
    April 18, 2008 8:43 am

    Curt,

    Was Manny setting up Mussina for that meatball the threw? How often do hitters do this?

  10. ministerofsports permalink
    April 18, 2008 8:54 am

    You are right. Every umpire is different. That seems to be a growing problem. Dealing with personalities.

  11. thejadoon permalink
    April 18, 2008 9:55 am

    Mr. Schilling your silence is deafening. Are you going to denounce Dennis and Callahan for their vulgar racist comments or not?

    Callahan recently said that anyone who listens and/or associates with a bigot is no better than the bigot – he was talking about Barack Obama – if you continue to appear on their show he is also talking about you.

    When Sean Taylor was killed (and it was a slow sports day) the Duo of Dung “speculated” that he was shot in the groin – because like others of his kind – he could not keep it is his pants – and was being sent a message.

    So they take a leak on the head of a dead man and when it is over – they do not say sorry – they say they should be congratulated for their courage in “speculating” on a cause for his death.

    Just like they speculate on the result of a game that is coming up!

    They also say, and bye the way, it was black youths’ total disregard for life and rap music that really killed him.

    So what is it gong to be – are you going to keep quite and take the 30 pieces of silver or as the Christian you claim to be – are you going to speak up (as you recently said you would do if you where confronted with bigotry) and say no more to the vulgar and racist “jokes”.

    One of your other readers said I was taking the Duo of Dungs’ comments out of context and that they don’t really mean what they joke about – can you tell me what is funny about rape, molestation and bigotry?

    Can you!

  12. sjinva permalink
    April 18, 2008 10:09 am

    And once again the Sox prove why they are the ball club they are. Any other team would have rushed the mound, or retaliated with their own pitcher. This is why the Red Sox have the greatest fans in the game.

    Sox have retaliated before, and they will retailiate again.

    Go check the head to head HBP numbers since 2001. Sox have hit twice as many Yankees as the other way around. some of that is Wakefield, but not all of it.

    I don’t think Farnsworth was trying to throw behind Manny, I think he was trying to hit him. He just isn’t good.

    As for the Ellsbury HBPs, he is going to get hit a lot this year until he proves he can hit a pitch inside.

  13. April 18, 2008 11:18 am

    Of course he was throwing at Manny. There’s no doubt about it. And of course the classy NY fans applaud when they’re down by 7 runs. It’s laughable at this point. I hope he’s fined.

  14. April 18, 2008 11:31 am

    @ fanofallthingsboston

    I agree with you. I hate it when they start chanting “Yankees Suck” at Fenway. But you have to understand where it all started from… Those damn T-shirts, which of course was mimicked by Yankee fans later. I’m glad they banned the shirts from Fenway.

  15. April 18, 2008 11:36 am

    @ thejadoon

    First of all, I believe it’s in Curt’s contract that he speaks with D&C or on some form of EEI. He can’t just stop appearing on the show. I’m sure Athletes love getting up at 9am after taking the red eye flight home to talk about how they played in the game the night before and that’s why Curt calls in. You think Tom Brady likes waking up on Monday morning after a Sunday night game to talk about football?? I ask you again why you continue to listen to them if you hate them so much? They are NOT racist. They are NOT vulgar. The end.

  16. seantanu permalink
    April 18, 2008 12:46 pm

    Thanks for chiming in on this – someone on the team needs to speak truth. I couldn’t believe the YES announcers’ justification crap. If he was really aming inside, why were his eyes focused on Manny’s SHOULDERS in replay? Further, intentional or not, a deep-inside pitch has no business being above the letters. If you can’t be trusted to miss a guy’s head, you’re a danger to every batter you face, and you deserve ejection. I was incredulous Vanover let him touch the ball again.

    All that said, though, I was very impressed with Manny’s composure, and Beckett’s maturity. He had a shutout game and a low pitch count at that point – it was a much better “retaliation,” if any was even necessary, to just keep dealing.

  17. tomvons permalink
    April 18, 2008 1:15 pm

    @thejadoon:

    Oh stop.

  18. tomvons permalink
    April 18, 2008 1:19 pm

    @fanofallthingsboston:

    I agree the ‘Yankees suck” chant has to go (it happens here in Baltimore if either the Yanks or Sox are in town, funnily enough).

  19. FireDannyAinge permalink
    April 18, 2008 1:30 pm

    Aardsma did not throw at A-Rod on purpose. Yankee fans spend more time at this board then Red Sox ones.lol

    Farnsworth has been a trouble maker his entire career. He is always in the middle of any trouble the Skankee have.

    As for the so called fan of all things Boston. Yankees sucks chants happen in Toronto. Anaheim, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and every other team that plays the Yankees. It happened the other night IN Canada during a hockey game and I guess you are deaf to the Boston sucks chants that come out of Yankee stadium. At least we stick to the team. New Yorkers have no class and blame the entire city of Boston and just for fun,

    Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,Yankees Suck,

    Sox were hit twice yesterday. I guess every time the Yankees throw at someone or have a 1st inning curtain call they are innocent. Give me a break.

  20. karen503 permalink
    April 18, 2008 1:48 pm

    thejadoon, this is G38′s soapbox blog, not yours. Take your personal opinion on an off-topic rant elsewhere, or start your own blog.

  21. maroneypower permalink
    April 18, 2008 3:41 pm

    First of all the “yankees suck” chant is great and does NOT need to go. Second of all I definitely think that it was intentional. I don’t mind when pitchers throw at batters, but throwing at a batter’s head is down right dangerous and he should have been tossed.

    Anyways Curt I always enjoy coming to this site, hope everything is going good for you. Can’t wait to see you back on the mound! I want to thank you too for a while back when you were a Diamondback. I was at Shea Stadium, this was either 2000 or 2001, and I would have been around the age of 10 or 11. You signed a baseball for me pre-game and you’ve been my favorite pitcher ever since. You were so cool and nice to all the kids and signing baseballs like it wasn’t a hastle, it looked like you enjoyed it just as much as us kids. It’s great to see a ballplayer like you take the little things serious. You definitely don’t see that everywhere so I just wanted to say thanks for making my day that day! Good luck with everything and stay healthy…really looking forward to seeing you pitch again.

  22. April 18, 2008 5:18 pm

    I posted about this today too… here’s the thing – you certainly know far better than any of us do. In my humble opinion, there’s a huge difference between a pitcher losing control of his pitch and clipping someone on the arm, leg, maybe shoulder – maybe – and a player having to duck a ball – or really make an earnest effort to move from being hit in the face. it’s just unprofessional and clearly not accidental.

    Every sport has it’s “retaliation”. In baseball, it’s pitching “mistakes”. But, here’s the thing- getting hit in the head with a 98 mph fast ball is no joke – and most esp. not funny if its a pitch where the intent is in question. At minimum someone could be injured permanently — does the name Tony Conigliaro ring any bells to anyone out there?

    So maybe some of the pitching staff out in NYC should man up – and grow up – and just play the game.

  23. April 18, 2008 9:25 pm

    Schill:

    I have to admit that ANY pitcher throwing at a hitter who has hit two home runs in a single game is unprofessional. As much as I love The Rivalry, I would still say that if, for instance, Beckett threw at A-Rod–which Don and RemDawg discussed last night. And, like you said, there are a lot of games left to play. I think the pitcher’s intent is clear when he throws behind a hitter who has hit two home runs in a single game and I think that pitcher should have been ejected on the spot. It would send a very stern warning to BOTH teams that such unprofessional conduct will be disciplined. And it would certainly send a message to the other team that may be considering retaliation.

    I love my DVR. Game is on, but I’m recording it so I can stop by here! Yay!

  24. cctx7979 permalink
    April 18, 2008 9:38 pm

    fanofallthingsboston-

    My comment was not directed towards any type of chant. It was the fact that one of our players did not rush the mound, or attempt any type of retribution for a low classless act such as injuring Manny because he was the hot hitter that night. It shows the class of the organization and the players to withhold their anger after an act like that occurs. As far as the Yankees Suck chants, I clearly remember being at the victory parade last year and seeing and chanting along with Eric Gange and Manny Delcarmen the exact same chant with Gange holding up a Yankees suck t-shirt. Does that portray the entire teams view of it? No, not at all. But the players know what the fans like. Regardless, Boston has the best fans in the world… period.

  25. theclassofbasball permalink
    April 19, 2008 9:20 am

    curt

    when i was at a rays game last year. about the 8th inning redsox fans starting yelling yankees suck, no matter where you go there’s always gona be some bad apples yankee fans also.
    and what happen with farnsworth. it gives me more of a reason to hate him. he threw at manny, even though, a-rod was hit the day before, 2 wrongs don’t make it right, and i really think boston wasn’t throwing at a-rod.
    the yankee suck is never gona go away because there’s always gona be bad fans out there on both sides, been like that since the beginning of time won’t go away.

  26. yankspinstripes2 permalink
    April 19, 2008 12:55 pm

    “And once again the Sox prove why they are the ball club they are. Any other team would have rushed the mound, or retaliated with their own pitcher. This is why the Red Sox have the greatest fans in the game.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Yeah the red sox neeeeeeeeeevver throw at anyone or charge the mound at a high pitch (cough ramirez) or throw old men to the ground (cough pedro). The Red Sox have just been golden boys over the years, havn’t they? They don’t show anyone up (cough cough ramirez) when they hit homeruns, and they certainly neeeeeeeeeeever complain balls and strikes (cough ortiz).

    Dude, wake up and realize that your team isn’t perfect. And as far as Boston fans being the best in the world… yeah, they’re the best at being completely ignorant, biased, and downright cocky, ESPECIALLY since they’ve won a few times. They think that they are supposed to win everything now, all the time (and I live in boston, with a bunch of boston fans).

    Personally, I think Farnsworth was trying to hit manny – however, his control sucks so he missed behind him. However, if it actually hit him, it would have hit him in the back near the shoulders, exactly where Arod was hit, NOT in the head. And personally, I am so glad we finally threw at Manny – one, he’s been killing us, so you have to back him off the plate a bit. (I’m not saying trying to hit him in the head is the answer, which is what people think he was trying to do, thats just wrong, but again, Farnsworth has no control, and even though he didn’t hit manny if he did it would have hit him in the back). Two, Manny has been a downright asshole as a batter for years – he continuously hits homeruns against the Yankees and, whether they are big homeruns or a homerun when you are up or down by 7, Manny has the need to stand there, glare at the pitcher, and take his time walking the bases, like he’s the king of the world. If he’s going to show up EVERY pitcher he faces, people are going to start getting pissed. Stop staring, stop flipping the bat, stop walking Manny – run the bases like your supposed to. I’m actually surprised MORE pitchers don’t throw at him.

  27. yankspinstripes2 permalink
    April 19, 2008 1:01 pm

    One thing I forgot to add – any of you guys ever see the difference in the times the Yankees have been hit by the red sox, and vice versa? It’s a pretty big difference over the last 6 years – and all I can say is, it’s about freaking time the Yankees attempt to try to catch up to all the times they’ve been hit. They never retaliated, and it pissed me off. Well, I guess now they are getting pissed too.

  28. throwstrikes permalink
    April 19, 2008 1:10 pm

    Curt

    Have you ever hit someone when it wasn’t your intent to do so?

    If I believe your characterization that pitchers never throw behind batters unless there is intent, I would expect that you feel Aardsma throwing behind A-Rod should be held up to the same standards.

  29. yanksdmavs2541 permalink
    April 19, 2008 2:32 pm

    Maybe it was intentional, but what are you going to do about it? Farnsworth was suspended so get over it. If he threw at him then that is all that happens. The Red Sox have the opportunity to retaliate. No sense in whining about the umpires not throwing out Farnsworth. He is the SAME guy that blows the game 90% of the time. GET OVER IT, it’s baseball, it’s been happening for over 100 years.

  30. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    April 19, 2008 2:40 pm

    curt

    i wouldn’t be throwing any stones, you’ve had you’re days of throwing too

  31. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    April 19, 2008 2:53 pm

    firedannyainge

    it’s fans like you that gives teams a bad name,being a tiger fan i never here tigers fans chanting ” YANKEES SUCK” at our games and i have season tickets MORON, so before you leaves comments about so called other cities get you’re story straight, and just because you won i couple of world series dosen’t make your fans the best, what about the cubs? they haven’t won anything for years and they always sell out.the only reason you sell out is because you can only put 38k in that decrepit falling down sewer pit you call fanway park,so next time you leave a comment make sure you’re telling the truth, not lies to make the rest of the good redsox fans look bad.

  32. Steve T permalink
    April 19, 2008 6:09 pm

    Suspending Farnsworth seems excessive considering he wasn’t even ejected from the game. Was it intentional? Sure. Did he plan to hit Manny in the head? I doubt it. Farnsworth, as most Yankees fans will tell you, kinda sucks. I think his agenda was to brush Manny off his feet and at the same time, get in good with teammates and a fan base that regularly boos him off the field.

  33. ngbbpc permalink
    April 19, 2008 7:14 pm

    No problem with Aardsma hitting A-Rod? That’s fine, don’t hurt your shoulder typing these whiny posts. Manny didn’t even get hit.

  34. gregoden3034 permalink
    April 19, 2008 8:02 pm

    “Aardsma hit A-Rod in the back. Farnsworth threw at Manny’s head. Do you understand the difference? If not, have you ever actually seen a baseball in your life?”

    I was watching the game, and it became a blowout so I shut it off. I turned it back on, and Youkillis was up to bat and I heard the announcers talking about it. I never saw the replay, so I didn’t know Farnsworthless (the guy sucks) threw near Manny’s head. I saw the replay the next day, and I agree that throwing near someones head is not acceptable and for that Farnsworthless deserved to be suspended.

  35. karen503 permalink
    April 20, 2008 3:54 am

    for yankspinstripes2: Well, there’s that picture of the late lamented John Marzano tackling Yankee Saint Pauly #21 to keep O’Neill from rushing the mound and pummeling 165 lb. changeup artist Tim Davis back in ’96 ( http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE0D81638F933A0575BC0A960958260 ). Piniella as much as said O’Neill was a punk crybaby back then.

    And if you ask anyone who isn’t wearing pinstriped glasses, they’d say old man Zimmer was the one who was charging crazily at the pitcher. He’s lucky Pedro didn’t deck him with a right cross (but that would have been harder on Pedro, especially if he connected with Zimmer’s steel plate). As for showing anyone up, people could easily take offense at Jeter’s lame fistpumps, and Joba’s Odalis-Perez-like mound gyrations.

    You also noted that Farnsworth’s control isn’t worth sh1t. He starts out the 7th and the first batter’s Manny, right after the warmup pitches. Girardi “managed” that, and if Girardi keeps doing business at the same old hot dog stand all year long, the Yankees will probably lead the league in suspensions and fines.

  36. pariste74656 permalink
    April 20, 2008 11:03 am

    As an amateur umpire myself, I would have at least warned the pitcher in that situation. It was clear to me that the batter was thrown AT, and there’s no place in today’s baseball for that.

    That being said, I’m old enough to remember a day when a batter would be knocked on his ass if he was up and the 2 or 3 batters before him hit home runs. The players policed themselved in those days and no one cried to the umpires about it. And it was something that was understood by everyone coming to the plate with a bat in his hand.

    That’s one reason I’m not in favor of the DH rule. A pitcher seldom comes to the plate to (TRY to) hit. My feeling is that if a pitcher does (TRY to) hit, he would not throw at as many batters, unless he was Don Drysdale. The word on him was that you were crowding the plate as soon as you left the on deck circle. Even the great Willie Mays, for example, dreaded hitting against Drysdale.

  37. varitekishot permalink
    April 20, 2008 11:14 am

    jsosb1969

    LOL actually Farnsworth reminds me of one of the Hanson brothers from the movie slapshot! “The machine took my quarter”

  38. pariste74656 permalink
    April 20, 2008 11:17 am

    Sorry for the double posting. It was inadvertent.

  39. April 20, 2008 4:41 pm

    @ maroneypower

    Why do you insist the “Yankees Suck” chant is good for baseball? or good for the Red Sox?

  40. FireDannyAinge permalink
    April 20, 2008 6:41 pm

    Tigersfan is a liar.

    I have heard it at Tigers games several times. You have issues.lol

  41. FireDannyAinge permalink
    April 20, 2008 6:43 pm

    I don’t have to lie. I have facts on my side. You however are a lunatic and I highly doubt ur high sckool text has season tickets.LMAO

  42. FireDannyAinge permalink
    April 20, 2008 6:47 pm

    If anyone would like proof that they do indeed start Yankee sucks chants where the Tigers play

    Next

  43. FireDannyAinge permalink
    April 20, 2008 6:57 pm

    Mets game

    Phillies game

    Blue Jays

    If I had more time I could find more loser

  44. hideomatsujima permalink
    April 20, 2008 9:26 pm

    Manny Ramirez powered the Red Sox over the Yankees on two HR’s off Mike Mussina. Josh Beckett gave the Sox 8 strong innings in the win, allowing only 6 hits and a walk, with 3ER and 5K’s. Ramirez continues to crush the Yankees going 6-9 in this series. His last 4 AB’s against Mike Mussina have been two 2-Run home runs, a solo homer, and a 2-run double.
    The real debate from today’s game were the actions of Kyle Farnsworth in the 7th inning when Farnsworth threw behind Manny Ramirez’s head after he had been 3-3 for the night with 2 HR’s. During the heat of the rivalry between 2000-2004 when Pedro was still around, Martinez famously said, “Karim Garcia, who is Karim Garcia?” (Karim Garcia – wikipedia) (Youtube Video of Pedro Interview). Well, who the F*$@ is Kyle Farnsworth? I understand Farnsworth has been around the league for a while, but he is no where near the caliber of player that Manny Ramirez is. Ramirez is a future Hall of Famer, Farnsworth is a Junior Varsity player. There is no reason why Farnsworth should have been throwing at Ramirez, simply because he wasn’t the one who gave up the HR’s in the first place. Mussina threw two slow fastballs over the plate and Manny crushed them, it had nothing to do with Farnsworth. Farnsworth is trying to make a name for himself like Karim Garcia, but if he wants to throw at people, get some stats to back it up.

    http://thefenwayfaithful.blog.com/

  45. viperforce permalink
    April 21, 2008 6:40 am

    My dad loves the Red Sox. I’m not saying that I don’t but i’m more of a Tampa Bay Rays Guy. Oh and Congrats on beating the Rangers. Pretty Close game. But dude, you’re awesomeSEE YA!

  46. April 21, 2008 4:09 pm

    Farnsworth lost his command the moment he went from Atlanta to New York. It’s like he can’t handle the pressure of NY. Look at his numbers as a Brave and when he was healthy as a Cub… they’re pretty nice. The Braves wouldn’t be in their current bullpen mess if they had done the right thing and re-signed him after going 16-for-17 in save opps for them during the regular season a couple of years ago. A smaller market is exactly the right environment for him to flourish in.

    As for the pitch, I have no doubt that it simply just got away from him. A HUGE kudos to Manny for speaking out and telling everyone that it was wrong of MLB to give Farny that knee-jerk 3 day suspension!!!

  47. charihar permalink
    April 21, 2008 6:16 pm

    ^Curt Schilling, come on now. That’s part of the game. Farnsworth wasn’t trying to send Manny to the hospital. He was trying to send Manny a message and a fastball behind the back is a message. If you watch the replay, Manny didn’t even have to move. The ball totally missed him.

  48. greenjeans59 permalink
    April 22, 2008 7:11 am

    A Red Sox Fan Battles Lou Gehrig’s Disease

    http://www.courant.com/news/local/columnists/hc-rgreen0422.art.artapr22,0,1331714.column

  49. thedoctorx permalink
    April 22, 2008 7:49 am

    If you do not want to be redirected to the ground by Pedro Martinez, do not be 150 lbs over-weight, and dumb enough to charge him.

    It is like throwing a punch at a prize fighter in a bar and blaming him for kicking your ass in response.

    I have met more than one MFY Fan who has, quietly, admitted that they cheered when Pedro introduced the Chipmunk to conservation of momentum and gravity.

    –J.D.

  50. jacobysabeast46 permalink
    April 22, 2008 8:33 am

    I just so happened to be at a Double-A baseball game last night and the name of the catcher of the Bowie Baysox sounded familiar. The name was Ben Davis. I thought about this name and it came to me that was the idiot who bunted for a hit around the 8th inning of Schill’s perfect game attempt in Arizona a few years back. It was a common name, but it was just too ironic. So when the bullpen catcher for the Baysox walked by, I asked him if it was the same Ben Davis, and sure enough it was. Ah how far he’s come. Just thought that was interesting.

  51. rodmac permalink
    April 22, 2008 11:02 am

    I agree with fanofallthingsboston. The “Yankees suck” chant has to go. It makes the Boston fans look like a bunch of childish punks. I love the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry, but it’s supposed to be fun. As much as I dislike the Yankees I don’t by any means think they suck. They are made up of very good professional ball players trying to do their job. It’s much better for the rivalry that the Yankees field good competitive teams. It’s more satisfying to see the Red Sox beat a good team than a bunch of doormats.
    There has always been a rivalry between Boston and New York but lately it has become nasty. And the vitriol shown by the Boston fans is embarrassing and very unsportsmanlike.
    Come on folks. Root for the Red sox and boo the Yankees but show a little class. How do you think this “Yankees Suck” thing looks to kids when they see grown-ups, even their own parents, acting like a bunch of mean spirited idiots?
    Rod

  52. game6sockwasfake permalink
    April 22, 2008 3:50 pm

    way to remind eople you are still alive…

    2003 pedro martinez had jeter and soriano leave the game on the way to the hospital… no warnings… no ejections

    good for farnsworth… you guys have gotten away with it for years but because the microscope is always pointed at the pinstripes instead of the ketchup on your ankle this is what happens

    wouldnt try to scare anyonewith your 87 mph heat – mussina sure had no effect on ellsbury…

  53. warbler44 permalink
    April 22, 2008 4:08 pm

    Where have you gone Bob Gibson ?

  54. thedoctorx permalink
    April 22, 2008 5:51 pm

    Someone change game6‘s diaper.

    –J.D.

  55. April 23, 2008 8:32 am

    game6sockwasfake, what a pathetic name and a pathetic post.

  56. phapha permalink
    April 23, 2008 1:19 pm

    Hey FireDannyAinge,

    Reading your posts makes wonder if you ever get out of your mothers basement. You are a schmuck.

    I will say it to your face too. Lewis’ bar and grill, Saturday 2:00pm.

    I’ll be the one with the Celtics on.

    See ya

  57. phapha permalink
    April 23, 2008 1:22 pm

    Hey FireDannyAinge

    Lewis’ is in Norwood, MA.

  58. thedoctorx permalink
    April 24, 2008 6:26 am

    What did he do to you, phapha, to merit t3h D34dly Int3rw3bs Ch4113ng3?

    I mean, if you do not like his user-id, you can, hopefully “point and laugh” at him when the Celtics win the next 10 games.

    –J.D.

  59. tommybloggingsports permalink
    April 24, 2008 9:51 am

    @warbler44 – Where have you gone Bob Gibson ?

    I was thinking the SAME THING!!!!

    Of course, if Bob Gibson played in today’s game, he would be considered brash, a hothead, and a thug on the mound. He would probably face quite few fines, suspensions, you name it.

    No, I think it is best that Gibby played when he did.

  60. gonzolane permalink
    April 24, 2008 4:42 pm

    As a diamondbacks fan, I still say Ben Davis should have gotten one ‘thrown behind him’.

  61. FireDannyAinge permalink
    April 24, 2008 5:57 pm

    WOW, Beating the Hawks. Something to brag about.lol

    Phapha until you can learn to write the human language I will laugh at you.
    Danny Ainge should have been fired years ago. He doesn’t get credit for getting Garnett. McHale is inept.

    Do you need me to draw you a map to the TD Bank North Garden so your bandwagon can get their safely?

  62. April 24, 2008 7:06 pm

    “One of your other readers said I was taking the Duo of Dungs’ comments out of context and that they don’t really mean what they joke about – can you tell me what is funny about rape, molestation and bigotry?”

    I can tell you how funny and ridicolous you sound

  63. fivekatz permalink
    April 24, 2008 9:13 pm

    Wow. Pretty extreme posts. Schill’s post IMHO pointed out that both teams become hamstrung once the warning is issued. And the judgement is fuzzy.

    AS a fan I’d be the first to say I am probably the least balanced person to comment on intent, because Pedro NEVER meant to hurt anyone, and the lord knows that Roger Clemens never did either until he left the moral warmth of the RS.

    In the end I think the real issue here is that the players should regardless of the desire to win respect each others careers. The NHL went through an ugly 5 years where guys destroyed careers with cheap shots.

    The game has to have some balance between guys that hang over the plate with a full compliment of armor and throwung at a players head. And even worse what many fans never got about the anger that the NYY had about Petey in 2003 or Farnworst’s throw at Manny is throwing head high just behind a guys head. Because as that pitch comes at a player that player is hoing to move backwards.

    Manny handled it perfectly and so did the RS. But as far as the greater geographic battle between pitcher and hitter, so long as hitters are going to be allowed to dress like NHL goalies, they have no right to charge the mound when the infringe on the pitchers space. And when that hitter goes nuts he should dealt with harsh;y.

    When a pitcher OTOH throws behind a players head, he needs ro leave the game bevause whether his control sucks or his judgement sucks, he sucks.

    JUst my take.

    Marc

  64. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    April 24, 2008 9:23 pm

    thedoctorx

    you don’t really believe the celtics are gona win 10 straight do you?

    WOW!!! STRONG STATEMENT DUDE. i love to bet that one:).

  65. April 25, 2008 4:07 am

    Barry Bonds has not been convicted of anything. He has not been accused of betting on games or throwing games. Barry Bonds has not been accused of assaulting anyone. Barry Bonds has been accused of not being a nice guy by the media, but is that a crime?

    Barry Bonds has been accused of not telling the truth to a grand jury investigating BALCO. Barry Bonds does not own BALCO and does not distribute steroids on behalf of BALCO.

    Why was the grand jury investigating Barry Bonds? Weren’t they supposed to be investigating BALCO? How did that “investigation” of BALCO turn into a witch hunt directed against MLB players? Clearly, BALCO wasn’t the real target in the racist campaign against Barry Bonds.

    I am my union’s delegate to the New York City Central Labor Council. During my union work, I have been a grievance representative. As such, I have often represented union members who have been brought up on charges for both minor and major infractions.

    Members could get fired for directly disobeying an order or for incompetence or for various serious infractions. The only time that the member faced suspension, however, was when the member posed an immediate danger.

    What “immediate danger” to Major League Baseball does Barry Bonds pose, that requires Barry Bonds’ suspension prior to a decision in Bonds’ upcoming trial?

    In fact, wouldn’t the presence of Barry Bonds on a Major League Baseball team roster – the Baltimore Orioles, for instance – be an immediate big boost to that team’s attendance as well as a big boost to their chances of winning?

    In effect, MLB teams are willing to lose money rather than hire Barry Bonds. Isn’t that the definition of a “blacklist”? The actors, singers, directors etc. who were “blacklisted” during the McCarthy era witch hunt were money makers for the entertainment industry, yet no owner would hire them! Isn’t that exactly what is happening with Barry Bonds?

    Weren’t many of these talented performers indicted and some convicted for refusing to cooperate with grand juries and dragged before government staged hearings in front of hundreds of cameras and reporters?

    Years later many of those “blacklisted” were apologized to, but did that apology make up for the destruction of their livelihoods and their personal lives during the McCarthy “blacklisting”? Of course not!

    I have a special disgust for the owners of the San Francisco Giants. They made millions off of Barry Bonds. They were able to build a money making stadium based, to a great extent, on Barry Bonds. Where is their gratitude? Nowhere!

    He was their star player who was loved by the fans in the Bay area, yet the SF Giants team owners shamefully released Barry Bonds after the 2007 season so as to do their part in the “blacklisting”! They deserve a Hall of Shame of their own!

    Years from now, when Major League Baseball is forced to apologize to Barry Bonds for their actions, that apology will never make up for the crime that Major League Baseball is inflicting today on Barry Bonds and on the many fans who admire the athletic greatness that Barry Bonds has been as a player.

    I also admire him for his unbending, “in your face” attitude during constant attacks from the big business media, especially the sports talk radio and cable channels that have to fill 24-hour-a-day air time by creating controversy and scandal where there would have been little or none before those media outlets were created.

    I appeal to the fans of Major League Baseball to bombard their team owners with letters and emails and petitions demanding that their team hire Barry Bonds.

    Imagine, for instance, Barry Bonds added to the roster of the woeful offense of the Baltimore Orioles.

    Imagine the magical confrontations in the American League East with David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez at Fenway Park and Camden Yards and with Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter at Yankee Stadium and Camden Yards.

    Wouldn’t that do wonders for attendance for a Baltimore Orioles franchise that has been down in the dumps for so long?

    An historic wrong is being committed by the owners. Do we want to have a posthumous apology to Barry Bonds, as was done for Jim Thorpe, or do we correct this wrong NOW? Barry Bonds is this era’s Babe Ruth.

    He’s the biggest star in our national pastime.

    I appeal to the fans to help us right this wrong. I want to see Barry Bonds playing baseball in 2008!

    To all concerned fans: Perhaps you could use the above as a petition circulated at stadiums or handed out at stadium gates. While ending the Iraq occupation and fighting for a moratorium on home foreclosures take precedence, I know that millions of you will still be in attendance at MLB games.

    While there, couldn’t you also do your part in fighting against the shameful “blacklisting” of Barry Bonds, the greatest hitter in Major League Baseball history?

  66. sportfanatic48 permalink
    April 25, 2008 10:23 am

    Agree with everything you say Curt. I’m a Mets fan and I really want the BoSox to cream the Yankees in the AL East. Also for all people hyped about the NFL Draft go to sportfanatic48.wordpress.com.

  67. thedoctorx permalink
    April 26, 2008 7:23 am

    wr:

    Chemical Ali would like to see you . . . he says he needs an “apologist.”

    tigersrulebaseball:
    :)

    Glad someone caught that!

    –J.D.

  68. nleastchamps07 permalink
    April 26, 2008 10:51 am

    I too was at that Bowie BaySox game and as my friend jacobyisabeast46 said above, the name sounded familiar. Being a born and raised a Phillies fan, i hated to see Curt go. But you just do not do that a pitcher, no matter who it may be. Thank you Ben Davis. I’m glad to see your career has really been strong. Enjoy the rest of your years in the bus leagues.

  69. April 26, 2008 1:24 pm

    Farnsworth’s throw was intentional, just as Aardsma’s was intentional. It’s part of the game. All that we really learned from this incident is that we’ve discovered another thing Farnsworth is bad at, not to mention his 3 HRs in 10.1 innings over 9 appearances.

  70. warbler44 permalink
    April 27, 2008 2:10 am

    noone is going to have to apologize to barry bonds. Hes a liar and he was caught lying in a federal investigation. also balco was pushing illegal drugs and bonds was their willful junky.

    why do people tolarate and defend lying to their face?

  71. daegu07 permalink
    April 27, 2008 8:27 am

    Ah, so many things to comment on. Firstly, as an ex- amatuer umpire, I can fully understand why umps will give a quick heave-ho on intentional HBP or attempted HBP, but I can’t understand why on earth an ump wouldn’t…. why would an ump not toss a pitcher on something so obvious is just allowing a possible fiasco to blow up in his face and losing control of the game– a Cardinal sin for the blue team.
    Second, as a life-long Red Sox fan for almost 40 years- I’ve always hated the “Yankees Suck”chant, especially when my kids were young and present. No one hates the Yankees more than I do, but hearing people yell that is an embarrassment to me, and to hear it in the background on national / internationally televised games (I’m on assignment in Korea for a year- and many Sox games are shown here) it makes me cringe. Guys & gals, you can’t say your the classiest fans with this behavior going on. Let’s clean it up or else come up with some other form of verbal taunting (Hey, a contest would be pretty good !).
    Lastly, you got to be kidding about Bonds, he was great when he was young, but in no way was he the greatest hitter. His cheating put him in a position of greatness that he really should never had been in. It will all come out in the end– you’ll see.
    As for Mr. Schilling— hurry back
    and of course– GO SOX

  72. BeRiGaN 5 tHe ReTuRn permalink
    April 28, 2008 4:28 am

    Hey Curt, someone mentioned that you were deeply involved with ALS, perhaps you might have some suggestions, or can point us in the best direction.

    I have a friend, Dale, who’s 40 and was diagnosis with ALS about 2 years ago. He stopped working soon after that.

    He lives in a small town in Georgia, Barnesville is the name. He can still get around with a cane, but needs help with cleaning clothes, showering, etc.

    Well, his 80 something year old Mother, can get around just fine, but doesn’t want to be bothered with Dale and his problems anymore, and wants him out of the house!

    Dale has applied for SSI, but has been turned down at least once(I think the first time he applied, the backwater Doc didn’t know exactly what it was he had) but a specialist in Atlanta did confirm that he has ALS, and “normally” it starts right after that…but it hasn’t. He has a lawyer supposedly working on the case, but the lawyer sure seems to be in no rush. Dale has tried to contact his congressman, and supposedly he too is trying to do something. Perhaps any day now, he will hear it’s started. But it hasn’t yet.

    My Dad talked to Dale Saturday, and said he hasn’t showered in 2 weeks, and is afraid to leave the house, since he said his Mother has changed the locks!

    Dale hasn’t been as proactive as he should have been all along, I had to call the local chapter for him a year or so ago, and they have a nurse come out and check on him every 3 weeks I believe( I was told there are only 3-4 nurses to check on patients at home, in the whole state!!!)

    I have the flu myself, can’t sleep, just thinking about how Dale might just end it all now…I know if my Mom had ever turned her back on me, when I needed her the most, I wouldn’t feel like going on…so, any suggestions???

    Should I check into a hospice for a temporary living situation??? Dale doesn’t have insurance … as soon as the SSI kicks in, and they should pay back to when he no longer could work…are there any non ALS organizations(MDA related) that might deal with this sort of problem…family unwilling or unable to help someone with a progressive disease???

    I feel like I am grasping at straws right now, but chances are someone has an idea I haven’t thought of yet….

    Thanks,
    Conrad.

  73. thedoctorx permalink
    April 28, 2008 4:49 am

    tigersrulebaseball:

    Okay . . . the next ten games.

    –J.D.

  74. 2004and2007 permalink
    April 28, 2008 8:26 am

    aardsma has horrible control!!! how many walks does he have?? he did not hit a-rod on purpose! Farnsworth hit manny on purpose!!

  75. thedoctorx permalink
    April 28, 2008 5:38 pm

    warbler44: why do people tolarate and defend lying to their face?

    Why do they go to church?

    They want to believe.

    –J.D.

  76. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    April 28, 2008 9:35 pm

    thedoctorx

    well, they have a good enough team to pull that off, but don’t think so in the NBA, wouldn’t mind if they won it though, kinda been a fan since the days of bird and co. and how could anybody not like kevin garnett? just hope he can stay healthy.

  77. alsbenefit permalink
    April 28, 2008 11:00 pm

    Hi Curt –

    We’re writing on a different note… We have a friend who has advancing stages of ALS and we know this is a charity near to your heart and the hearts of the Phillies organization.

    Would you be able to point us to the right people to arrange a personal appearance by you or possibly one of the Phillies for a community benefit on Sunday, June 29th, 2008? The event will be held in Bucks County, near Philly.

    Any help you may have for us would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks
    Marty

  78. daegu07 permalink
    April 29, 2008 8:26 am

    Say it isn’t so Rog !

  79. sboyajian permalink
    April 29, 2008 1:41 pm

    This has nothing to do with Farnsey..

    Just thought you should know, the link to Curtspitch.org on this blog entry is wrong:

    http://38pitches.com/2008/04/06/curts-pitch-links-and-random-thoughts/#more-168

    you have it there as curt’spitch.org (both as the link and the a tag).

    Best of luck in rehab friend.. hope to see you on the mount in August with strong for another fantastic October.

  80. thedoctorx permalink
    April 29, 2008 5:48 pm

    tigersrulebaseball:

    Okay . . . how about the next ten games? :(

    Good points. Of course, if you do not play the game, you do not win. There are no guarantees in sports as you know.

    –J.D.

  81. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    April 30, 2008 8:17 pm

    thedoctorx:

    love to see a celtic, laker final, gona be hard for the lakers to get by the spurs, same goes for the celtics to get by the pistons.

  82. thedoctorx permalink
    May 1, 2008 3:04 am

    tigersrulebaseball:

    Hey! The Celtics just have to now win the next nine games! :)

    Seriously, I am sure various pundits want a Celtics-Lakers final as much as they want to see a Red Sox-Yankees ALCS every year, but as you say, it is not going to be easy.

    Detroit may not make it either. . . .

    –J.D.

    P.S. Some damn good starting pitching. Hope the flu is done with the line-up and the “bats” wake up. Understood that the opponents have had some good pitching as well, but I gather it has to be frustrating to Clay, Josh, and Dice-K to pitch phenomenally and not get a win.

  83. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    May 1, 2008 9:16 pm

    Thedoctorx:

    Well, i don’t think you’ll see a Redsox, Yankee ALCS this year, Hopefully are teams, FINALLY were hitting, getting close to sweeping the Yankees, I love it! They have alot of injuries, So i don’t know how fair it is, You guy’s are gona be tough to beat, If you’re pitching gets healthy. Now i see you aren’t hitting, Better wake up, Rays comming to town………..Good Luck.

  84. thedoctorx permalink
    May 3, 2008 4:21 am

    tigersrulebaseball:

    I hope so too! I hope the MFYs are watching the ALCS from their various plasma and HD televisions.

    –J.D.

  85. game6sockwasfake permalink
    May 3, 2008 12:16 pm

    2004and2007:
    aardsma has horrible control!!! how many walks does he have?? he did not hit a-rod on purpose! Farnsworth hit manny on purpose!!

    hey 04/07…

    you should take the tag off that shiny 07 WS champion jacket and start watching actual games… no one hit #24 (insert time for you to look up who i am talking about)

    keep starting those “yankees s*ck” chants at the supermarket

  86. tigersrulebaseball permalink
    May 8, 2008 9:33 pm

    TheDoctorx:

    I just watched the sox beat our team 3 out of 4, You have a great team, And are gona be hard to beat, I just hope we can win our division, If we don’t start hitting it’s gona be a long season.

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